Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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ironbeard wrote: 16 Jun 2019, 04:29 Wilder and Fury fought to a draw.

Wilder destroyed Breazeale.

Fury destroyed a Schwartz.

TFKoB destroyed AJ. :OhYes:
Considering Ruiz never was a banger. Considering Ruiz never was impressive throughout his career. I think that speaks more to the fact AJ was either a manufactured fighter or he simply gave up, therefore no heart and no real interest in being champion.

More impressive? It was fun. But the reality is a 15-1 underdog beat a fake champion.

I'd expect real fighters to have long drug out grueling matches with other legitimate top men. So Fury being robbed in a draw against Wilder after losing 110+ pounds was far more impressive.

Context is king. Wilder was expected to knock over Fury and couldn't do it. Looked like an amateur in there. AJ was expected to blow out Ruiz and got his ass handed to him. There's no comparison. Fury has the goods, Joshua obviously doesn't.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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knocking out aj is certanly a better result then drawing with wilder

aj had already handily beaten a number of guys better or just as good as ruiz, its not like he was some fraud who got found out as soon as he stepped up. he was an olympic champ, unified pro champ, and consensus 1. ruiz overcame bigger odds then fury and was much more convincging. i thought fury edged wilder too, but theres certanly room for argument (i can see how ppl couldve had a draw), whereas ruiz left none of that
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Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

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If Joshua is a fraud than fury doesn't have much going for him either.
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sturm vogel wrote: 16 Jun 2019, 00:45 Fury stuns the boxing world with his elusiveness, his craft, power, and his art. Other than Usyk, there is no heavy alive that comes close to his glittering skill.
I wouldn't use a display against Schwartz as the barometer for glittering skill.
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ironbeard wrote: 16 Jun 2019, 04:29 Wilder and Fury fought to a draw.

Wilder destroyed Breazeale.

Fury destroyed a Schwartz.

TFKoB destroyed AJ. :OhYes:
The thing is, Fury outboxed Wilder. Fury got up from knockdowns and continued the fight like a man in contrast to quitter AJ.
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jamamb wrote: 16 Jun 2019, 04:43 knocking out aj is certanly a better result then drawing with wilder

aj had already handily beaten a number of guys better or just as good as ruiz, its not like he was some fraud who got found out as soon as he stepped up.
he was an olympic champ, unified pro champ, and consensus 1. ruiz overcame bigger odds then fury and was much more convincging
How sure are you about that?

Charles Martin?
Carlos Takam?
Dominic Breazele?
39 Year Old, Off PEDs Povetkin?
Older, Inactive, Passive Klitschko?

The only live wire was Parker, and he may as well have been fighting two guys in the ring that night because the referee kept dicking him around. So we never really saw what would have really went down had Joshua not had the referee in Eddie Hearn's pocket.

He was positioned perfectly to the title. But I'd argue--- like Mike Tyson in the 80s--- if it was anyone else who had beaten those guys, nobody would have given a crap. It was how he won the fights.

Unfortunately, knockouts and bodies are like crack for passionate fans who cannot resist buying into the hype rather than seeing the truth--- there was many unanswered questions about Joshua, and his flaws were visible but nobody had yet capitalized on them.

Boxers, Movers, Stylists, almost never get any credit in this business. They'd rather a Gerry Cooney was champion instead of a Larry Holmes. They'd rather the fighter with the Instagram model body and fake smile to be champion, than the Gypsy who fires jabs and has love handles. They'd rather a guy who looks like the Pillsbury Doughboy as champion, just because he throws hooks, instead of the guy who is a thinking fighter.

It's not unlike how many people here on BoxRec were mightily upset Canelo lost to Floyd Mayweather or Hatton losing to Mayweather. "We don't want the master boxer, we want the banger." It's a thankless job fighting scientifically.
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Lol, you definitely were behind fury when people were mocking him for punching himself. You were right, bravo :clap: . Now you're such an overzealous fan boy you clown yourself even when you were right.
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Onetimeonly wrote: 16 Jun 2019, 05:08 Lol, you definitely were behind fury when people were mocking him for punching himself. You were right, bravo :clap: . Now you're such an overzealous fan boy you clown yourself even when you were right.
Think about it onetime....

Let's say some guy fought Takam, Breazele, old Klitschko, Parker, and old Povetkin. But it wasn't by knockout. But by close, boring decisions. Real dull affairs.

Would you still say that person was the best of the best? What constitutes beating any of those guys as being that great?

Those guys were average or passed it. None of those guys really stood out in the grand scheme of things. Parker sure as hell wasn't impressing anybody with those horrible showings against Hughie Fury or Andy Ruiz. And that's arguably the best win of the bunch.

The only reason why people got crazy about Joshua was the knockouts. But who the hell did he really beat? If it was anyone else who beat those guys nobody would care. Cus nobody cared Fury beat Klitschko by decision, yet somehow people cared Joshua beat Klitschko (older, slower, inactive) by knockout.
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Who exactly has fury beat? You sound silly. Joshua beat a better looking Klitschko IMO, some of that should be attributed to fury. You have a point that the win might not be as revered as it should be. I would say more that it was up there with the worst title fights in boxing history more than it went the distance.
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Onetimeonly wrote: 16 Jun 2019, 05:49 Who exactly has fury beat? You sound silly.
I'd say a win over champion Klitschko is worth more than older, inactive, slower ex-champion Klitschko. To actually out-box the seemingly best boxer in the division was impressive in its own right, to beat the defending champion at his own game.

No matter what the judges said Fury beat WBC champion Deontay Wilder. At best you can only say Wilder lost 8 rounds to 4. Considering the long layoff, weight loss, against the #2 heavyweight in the world--- best knockout artist in the division--- only to get up and fight back harder.

Fury also beat Derrick Chisora (twice) who was a former world title challenger, and a solid legitimate top five contender at that time. For the EBU & BBBC & WBO International title in their rematch.

Fury also beat Steve Cunningham who was one of the best cruiserweight champions of all-time. Knock the victory all you want but it was one of the first glimpses we saw of Fury coming back from adversity to win. It was an eliminator for the #2 spot for a shot to get Klitschko. Prior to this it was Kevin Johnson in yet another eliminator.

2 World Champion's, 1 Legitimate Contender, and 1 All-Time Top 5 Cruiserweight Champion. I'd say that's either even or better than beating Takam, Breazele, and Martin combined. Even if you throw in Povetkin, he was damn near 40 and hardly as good as he was years prior against Klitschko. And let's be honest--- can you see Parker ever beating Fury? The dudes been Fury's sparring partner for crying out loud.
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Translation...You love fury
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He’s David in Goliath’s body.
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Fury is the most creative HW since Ali retired. No dilemma about that.
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Regardless of whether you like the guy, this is one of the greatest comeback stories in HW boxing. Up there with Ali and Foreman.
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Tony1244 wrote: 16 Jun 2019, 09:33 Regardless of whether you like the guy, this is one of the greatest comeback stories in HW boxing. Up there with Ali and Foreman.
He is "a big fool", but I like him very much. He is good for boxing popularity, generally speaking. :clap:
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ValMar wrote: 16 Jun 2019, 09:37 He is "a big fool", but I like him very much. He is good for boxing popularity, generally speaking. :clap:
I went thru all the stages with Fury. First I saw an interesting prospect with size, speed, works to body, can fight Southpaw. Second stage was forget about the guy, he's an unstable drama queen. Then I microwaved the popcorn for the comeback. and was later impressed with how he got up against Wilder.

I like how he took a chair and went for the wrestling act. He also didn't balloon to 320 and bore the hell out of us for 12 rounds against Schwarz which is what a lot of people feared.
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DrDuke wrote: 16 Jun 2019, 04:56 The thing is, Fury outboxed Wilder. Fury got up from knockdowns and continued the fight like a man in contrast to quitter AJ.
AJ got up twice as many times as Fury. Your suggestion the AJ’s performance was somehow less manly than Fury’s reveals your complete lack of objectivity related to discussing your man crush.

Fury failed to secure the victory over Wilder due to his inability to stay on his feet for round 12, period.

There was no question about the outcome of the AJ v TFKoB bout. The KoBcat thoroughly outboxed AJ and stopped him. Nobody had ever accomplished that before.

Furthermore, Fury won a close decision v Wlad, and failed to be man enough to live up to his contractual obligation to give the great world champion his rematch. Fury ran away and buried his head in a mountain of cocaine and a never ending stream of booze. Your manly man quit, voluntarily relinquishing his title.

AJ was man enough to give the great old champ his opportunity to regain what had been his for so long, and Joshua defeated him conclusively, after being man enough to get off the canvas from a monstrous shot.
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ironbeard wrote: 16 Jun 2019, 10:01 AJ got up twice as many times as Fury.
And then quitted like a dawg. Unlike Fury.
ironbeard wrote: 16 Jun 2019, 10:01 Furthermore, Fury won a close decision v Wlad
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DrDuke wrote: 16 Jun 2019, 10:12 And then quitted like a dawg. Unlike Fury.
AJ did not quit, as evidenced by the footage of the fight. The ref chose to stop the fight.

Fury actually voluntarily quit and ran and hid from the rematch with Wlad.

To Fury’s credit he has made an admirable comeback, but drawing with Wilder and stopping a journeyman level (at best) opponent does not complete the comeback.

Your man crush for Fury is showing. Please secure your fly. :oops:
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AJ got beat. The ref stopped the fight. Maybe AJ isn't on the Wilder or Fury level but he didn't quit.
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ironbeard wrote: 16 Jun 2019, 10:24 AJ did not quit, as evidenced by the footage of the fight. The ref chose to stop the fight.
Yeah, the ref prohibited Joshua to response at his requests, made him stand in the corner and chose to stop the fight. :OhYes:
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Tony1244 wrote: 16 Jun 2019, 10:28 AJ got beat. The ref stopped the fight. Maybe AJ isn't on the Wilder or Fury level but he didn't quit.
He didn't want to fight on.

No shame in that and I wouldn't call it quitting but he gave the referee no choice
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ewenhay wrote: 16 Jun 2019, 10:36 He didn't want to fight on.

No shame in that and I wouldn't call it quitting but he gave the referee no choice
I think it was a fair stoppage. Refs need to protect the health of the fighters. But I agree, he didn't quit.
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Tony1244 wrote: 16 Jun 2019, 10:41 I think it was a fair stoppage. Refs need to protect the health of the fighters. But I agree, he didn't quit.
Charles Martin was an example of taking your money and quitting.
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