Deontay Wilder vs. Luis Ortiz II - November 23, 2019

[oogiebe]

if aj went on to win id bet it wouldve been brought up more, since he didnt its more moot

I don't make anything out of it at the time. He was unified champ. And he was in a position he'd never been in before (AJ). The ref did what he thought was correct given the size of the event, I think, but you are totally correct in that it was moot.

[oogiebe]

I don't make anything out of it at the time. He was unified champ. And he was in a position he'd never been in before (AJ). The ref did what he thought was correct given the size of the event, I think, but you are totally correct in that it was moot. My mentioning it was in opposition to those who accused Wilder of getting preferential treatment vs Ortiz.

[squiggy]

Check the second and the last.

Neither of them are as you described.

[oogiebe]

Neither of them are as you described.

The last knockdown (I rewatched) was almost 26 seconds from AJ going down to the fight being stopped.

[squiggy]

The fight was stopped, though. It ceased to matter then.

[oogiebe]

The fight was stopped, though. It ceased to matter then.

I said the second or fourth KD. I also said I don't make much of it; but it was as I said. Thanks.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Multiple sources have advised BS.com that WBC super middleweight champion Anthony Dirrell (33-1-1) will face WBC champion "in recess" David Benavidez (21-0) on the Deontay Wilder-Luis Ortiz 2 pay-per-view undercard. The card is being targeted for September 28th in Los Angeles.

[Cap]

Deontay Wilder vs. Luis Ortiz II ........WHY? Ortiz fought one good round. No one wants to see this. Match Donkey Welder with the Clown King and get it over with. The winner gets to wrassle Andre the Giant or a mountain of mashed potatoes.

[Ruthless-RKO]

So this bout isn't official. No official date has been set.. But Wilder-Fury 2 has more or less been confirmed.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Luis Ortiz: After Wilder Loses - Forget Franchise, Just Call Me Champ

The recent decision by the World Boxing Council (WBC) to assign a “Franchise champion” tag to World middleweight champ Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez has created confusion among what any longer qualifies as a title or unification bout.

Among the other WBC titlists named by the sanctioning body as future candidates for the label is unbeaten heavyweight Deontay Wilder, who with his next win will record his 10th successful title defense. A date has yet to be assigned for such a fight, which reportedly will come in the form of a rematch with top-rated contender Luis Ortiz.

Whenever it takes place, the promise from the challenger is that the public won’t have to worry about what to call Wilder.

“He will be an ex-champion after our fight, plain and simple,” Ortiz (31-1, 26KOs; 2 NCs) assured BS.com. “People like (fellow challenger Dillian Whyte) are worried about the WBC vacating the title and making him a franchise champion. What they should be more worried about is facing me once the belt is around my waist.”

The 40-year old Cuban southpaw—who now lives and trains in Miami—came dangerously close to unseating Wilder in their thrilling war last March. Ortiz recovered from a mid-fight knockdown to badly stun the defending titlist towards the end of the 7th round of their Showtime-televised headliner at Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York.

Minor controversy ensued in the immediate aftermath, as Wilder was saved by the bell and then granted an extended timeout as he was examined by a ringside physician prior to the start of round eight. Conspiracy theorists claim the break gave the unbeaten Alabama native enough time to recover, surviving the scariest moment of his pro career to once again drop and eventually stop Ortiz in the 10th round of their instant classic.

Ortiz has won three straight since then, including a pair of knockouts to close out 2018. His most recent performance was far less inspiring, laboring his way to a 10-round win over Christian Hammer this past March. It was enough to extend his win streak and also secure a second crack at his lone in-ring conqueror, with their budgeted Showtime Pay-Per-View headliner to take place in October or November.

A win by Wilder could ultimately free up the WBC title, as the sanctioning body is already prepared to declare him a franchise champion. Of course, he still has to win his next fight in order to reach that point.

“Everyone can stop worrying about what will happen if he wins, because that’s the one thing that won’t happen,” promises Ortiz. “Forget franchise champion, just get ready to call me WBC champion after I beat Deontay Wilder.

“If the WBC still wants to make up a title for Wilder, they can just call him the out-of-business champion, because that franchise is getting shut down.”

[Cap]

Not to worry, fight fans. Just heard Sergio Ramirez (ranked #133 by Boxrec) has been declared the Tin-foil champion of the Universe junior class by both the WBC and Kentucky Fried Chicken. The WBA and AARP meanwhile have designated their paper-hat champion Bubbi Barnswallow the 3rd as the mandatory challenger and employee of the month in the upcoming title eliminator in January 2025 for the Silly-Buggers Bunch of Codswallop championship. Barnswallow's agent and hair stylist Mister Rafael says they may not be ready and have suggested postponing the fight until 2030.

[gilgamesh]

Wilder's gotten better. Ortiz has gotten older. Wilder repeats the feat. Probably with less difficulty this time.

[tiny_acres]

Luis Ortiz: After Wilder Loses - Forget Franchise, Just Call Me Champ

The recent decision by the World Boxing Council (WBC) to assign a “Franchise champion” tag to World middleweight champ Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez has created confusion among what any longer qualifies as a title or unification bout.

Among the other WBC titlists named by the sanctioning body as future candidates for the label is unbeaten heavyweight Deontay Wilder, who with his next win will record his 10th successful title defense. A date has yet to be assigned for such a fight, which reportedly will come in the form of a rematch with top-rated contender Luis Ortiz.

Whenever it takes place, the promise from the challenger is that the public won’t have to worry about what to call Wilder.

“He will be an ex-champion after our fight, plain and simple,” Ortiz (31-1, 26KOs; 2 NCs) assured BS.com. “People like (fellow challenger Dillian Whyte) are worried about the WBC vacating the title and making him a franchise champion. What they should be more worried about is facing me once the belt is around my waist.”

The 40-year old Cuban southpaw—who now lives and trains in Miami—came dangerously close to unseating Wilder in their thrilling war last March. Ortiz recovered from a mid-fight knockdown to badly stun the defending titlist towards the end of the 7th round of their Showtime-televised headliner at Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York.

Minor controversy ensued in the immediate aftermath, as Wilder was saved by the bell and then granted an extended timeout as he was examined by a ringside physician prior to the start of round eight. Conspiracy theorists claim the break gave the unbeaten Alabama native enough time to recover, surviving the scariest moment of his pro career to once again drop and eventually stop Ortiz in the 10th round of their instant classic.

Ortiz has won three straight since then, including a pair of knockouts to close out 2018. His most recent performance was far less inspiring, laboring his way to a 10-round win over Christian Hammer this past March. It was enough to extend his win streak and also secure a second crack at his lone in-ring conqueror, with their budgeted Showtime Pay-Per-View headliner to take place in October or November.

A win by Wilder could ultimately free up the WBC title, as the sanctioning body is already prepared to declare him a franchise champion. Of course, he still has to win his next fight in order to reach that point.

“Everyone can stop worrying about what will happen if he wins, because that’s the one thing that won’t happen,” promises Ortiz. “Forget franchise champion, just get ready to call me WBC champion after I beat Deontay Wilder.

“If the WBC still wants to make up a title for Wilder, they can just call him the out-of-business champion, because that franchise is getting shut down.”

Again I can't find one comment from the WBC even considering making Wlder franchise champion.
The wbc stated that the title was made specifically for Canelo and at this time have no intention to hand these out to anyone else.

[gilgamesh]

Calling somebody "Franchise" Champ isn't a good look anyway. Especially when he already has a rep for getting a lot of questionable decisions. Makes it seem like the powers that be are just on his side no matter what...in more ways than one.

[Best Coast]

So this bout isn't official. No official date has been set.. But Wilder-Fury 2 has more or less been confirmed.

Boxing News 24 is claiming a November fight is now likely for Wilder-Ortiz:
https://www.boxingnews24.com/2019/07/de ... -november/

Deontay Wilder and Luis Ortiz will now be fighting their rematch in November instead of the previously scheduled September 28 date, says Mike Coppinger. This is likely a strategic move on Wilder’s management’s part in moving the Ortiz (31-1, 26 KOs) rematch to November.

Time will tell...

[Finkel]

That "news" article is ridiculous. I assumed at first the writer must be quoting one of Deontay's entourage from the level of cheerleading he was including:

We saw recently that Fury can’t sell tickets in the U.S when he fought Tom Schwarz. Wilder will go after the money fight against the winner of the Joshua vs. Ruiz Jr. rematch, because he won’t have to single-handedly sell tickets. Against Fury, Wilder would be doing all the work in bringing ticket buyers in the U.S all by himself. The American boxing fans aren’t enamored by Fury, because he’s still an unknown and he has an ugly fighting style.

(The bold is from the original)

[SenorPipino]

That "news" article is ridiculous. I assumed at first the writer must be quoting one of Deontay's entourage from the level of cheerleading he was including:

We saw recently that Fury can’t sell tickets in the U.S when he fought Tom Schwarz. Wilder will go after the money fight against the winner of the Joshua vs. Ruiz Jr. rematch, because he won’t have to single-handedly sell tickets. Against Fury, Wilder would be doing all the work in bringing ticket buyers in the U.S all by himself. The American boxing fans aren’t enamored by Fury, because he’s still an unknown and he has an ugly fighting style.

(The bold is from the original)

But it's true.

Fury is no attraction in the US. That's why Arum would prefer to marinate the rematch and try to make a bit of a name out of him here.

Otherwise the rematch struggles to attract 300,000 PPV buys. A money loser for Arum.

Apparently Fury's comment last week that the rematch has been signed for Feb. 22, is erroneous. Just like he falsely claimed that an October bout with Big Baby was set for October.

Wilder would be better served to either go after Ruiz next year or slate an entertainingly quick bout with Kownascki.

A Fury bout can wait and be revisited down the road.

[candyslim]

Wilder will do whatever Al decides is best for him (Al that is, and Deontay too if the two things are compatible).

The drawback is Joshua is still a dangerous opponent and he's outside Al's control / jurisdiction. Ruiz is within Al's sphere of operation / control but he too is a dangerous opponent and won't generate Joshua level paydays. Decisions, decisions.

[Enlightened-One]

Wilder will do whatever Al decides is best for him (Al that is, and Deontay too if the two things are compatible).

The drawback is Joshua is still a dangerous opponent and he's outside Al's control / jurisdiction. Ruiz is within Al's sphere of operation / control but he too is a dangerous opponent and won't generate Joshua level paydays. Decisions, decisions.

If Andy Ruiz Jr. beats AJ in the rematch, his popularity will grow to almost Canelo proportions.

A successful heavyweight Mexican unified world champion is likely to attract massive support from his fellow countrymen.

[Onetimeonly]

[oogiebe]

What made me laugh (aside from the obvious) is if that were the case, his popularity would be in a country that doesn't have to pay to watch boxing.

[Onetimeonly]

What made me laugh (aside from the obvious) is if that were the case, his popularity would be in a country that doesn't have to pay to watch boxing.

Not to mention it was short enough to read.

[tiny_acres]

Wilder will do whatever Al decides is best for him (Al that is, and Deontay too if the two things are compatible).

The drawback is Joshua is still a dangerous opponent and he's outside Al's control / jurisdiction. Ruiz is within Al's sphere of operation / control but he too is a dangerous opponent and won't generate Joshua level paydays. Decisions, decisions.

If Andy Ruiz Jr. beats AJ in the rematch, his popularity will grow to almost Canelo proportions.

A successful heavyweight Mexican unified world champion is likely to attract massive support from his fellow countrymen.

Again EO I agree with you.
If Ruiz pulls this off he will be the biggest A side in the heavyweight division

[SenorPipino]

Wilder will do whatever Al decides is best for him (Al that is, and Deontay too if the two things are compatible).

The drawback is Joshua is still a dangerous opponent and he's outside Al's control / jurisdiction. Ruiz is within Al's sphere of operation / control but he too is a dangerous opponent and won't generate Joshua level paydays. Decisions, decisions.

If Andy Ruiz Jr. beats AJ in the rematch, his popularity will grow to almost Canelo proportions.

A successful heavyweight Mexican unified world champion is likely to attract massive support from his fellow countrymen.

His countrymen are Americans and few even realize that he's a heavyweight champion of the world.

It wasn't like the American media is cranking out one Andy Ruiz story after another. Two days after his upset win, Ruiz was already a forgotten man, except for a couple late night appearances.

Massive support is something boxing hating Americans aren't going to give him.

[squiggy]

Which is why he clearly was referring to Mexicans.