Nondescript wrote: ↑01 Jul 2019, 07:41
Regarding Ngannou's power though, I've seen a lot of MMA fans (who I don't even think watch boxing) claim that Francis is a bigger puncher than Wilder. Despite being significantly heavier, I don't buy that.
It's all speculation.
Not sure how you could compare unless you were to get punched by each using same sized gloves. Or I guess they could punch that speed bag looking thing that records your power.
Not sure how you could compare unless you were to get punched by each using same sized gloves. Or I guess they could punch that speed bag looking thing that records your power.
Nondescript wrote: ↑01 Jul 2019, 07:41
Regarding Ngannou's power though, I've seen a lot of MMA fans (who I don't even think watch boxing) claim that Francis is a bigger puncher than Wilder. Despite being significantly heavier, I don't buy that.
He definitely hits very very hard. Even if he clips people he puts them over.
jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑01 Jul 2019, 10:31
He definitely hits very very hard. Even if he clips people he puts them over.
Yeah but can you imagine if Wilder was hitting people in those little 4oz gloves aswell. I think he could legit kill someone. He absolutely obliterates people in 10oz gloves.
why such hype on ngganou when he was outclassed by stipe? i know losses arent the end of the world but that pretty clearly spells limitations until shown otherwise at that level or above
to me it just seems like a guy with power (power = wow) but who is limited overall and going to be beaten by the top tier guys
jamamb wrote: ↑01 Jul 2019, 12:36
why such hype on ngganou when he was outclassed by stipe? i know losses arent the end of the world but that pretty clearly spells limitations until shown otherwise at that level or above
to me it just seems like a guy with power (power = wow) but who is limited overall and going to be beaten by the top tier guys
He is pretty one dimensional, but he did show some pretty good take down defence against Curtis Blaydes who is also a very strong wrestler.
Nondescript wrote: ↑01 Jul 2019, 10:52
Yeah but can you imagine if Wilder was hitting people in those little 4oz gloves aswell. I think he could legit kill someone. He absolutely obliterates people in 10oz gloves.
Larger gloves actually allow people to hit with more force as theres less risk of damaging your hands, especially with the huge amount of tape boxers wear on their hands.
jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑01 Jul 2019, 12:59
Larger gloves actually allow people to hit with more force as theres less risk of damaging your hands, especially with the huge amount of tape boxers wear on their hands.
Hmm ive heard differing stories on that. In principle what you're saying makes perfect sense, but when you listen to MMA guys who fight in 4oz gloves and spar in bigger gloves, they always say that they notice the effects more in 4oz gloves when they get clocked with a big shot.
Nondescript wrote: ↑01 Jul 2019, 13:02
Hmm ive heard differing stories on that. In principle what you're saying makes perfect sense, but when you listen to MMA guys who fight in 4oz gloves and spar in bigger gloves, they always say that they notice the effects more in 4oz gloves when they get clocked with a big shot.
You notice the difference between the two gloves, shots that probably wouldn’t bother you with boxing gloves on can buzz you with MMA gloves on. Most guys are going to hit as hard as they can no matter what gloves they’re wearing so that point is moot.
MMA fighters also tape their hands though the gloves won’t fit as much tape in my experience.
p4p1 wrote: ↑01 Jul 2019, 13:12
You notice the difference between the two gloves, shots that probably wouldn’t bother you with boxing gloves on can buzz you with MMA gloves on. Most guys are going to hit as hard as they can no matter what gloves they’re wearing so that point is moot.
MMA fighters also tape their hands though the gloves won’t fit as much tape in my experience.
Yeah I'm not gonna claim I'm an expert on that. Just going on what I've read and heard.
Nondescript wrote: ↑01 Jul 2019, 13:14
Yeah I'm not gonna claim I'm an expert on that. Just going on what I've read and heard.
I was agreeing with what you’ve heard mate. I was disagreeing that the bigger gloves allow people to hit harder because they’re not as worried about their hands.
p4p1 wrote: ↑01 Jul 2019, 13:18
I was agreeing with what you’ve heard mate. I was disagreeing that the bigger gloves allow people to hit harder because they’re not as worried about their hands.
Ah no, I know! I was just saying personally I don't know lol.
Nondescript wrote: ↑01 Jul 2019, 13:02
Hmm ive heard differing stories on that. In principle what you're saying makes perfect sense, but when you listen to MMA guys who fight in 4oz gloves and spar in bigger gloves, they always say that they notice the effects more in 4oz gloves when they get clocked with a big shot.
I think it causes more localised damage as theres less padding, id imagine though a shot to the temple with small gloves would be more discombobulating.
p4p1 wrote: ↑01 Jul 2019, 13:12
You notice the difference between the two gloves, shots that probably wouldn’t bother you with boxing gloves on can buzz you with MMA gloves on. Most guys are going to hit as hard as they can no matter what gloves they’re wearing so that point is moot.
MMA fighters also tape their hands though the gloves won’t fit as much tape in my experience.
jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑01 Jul 2019, 13:22
I think it causes more localised damage as theres less padding, id imagine though a shot to the temple with small gloves would be more discombobulating.
I see what you're saying. Do you think though that if we had 12 round fights in 4oz gloves, a lot of the fights would go the full 12 like in boxing? I mean ignoring the cuts/damaged hands aspects. I mean in terms of Tko's or knockouts.
Nondescript wrote: ↑01 Jul 2019, 13:25
I see what you're saying. Do you think though that if we had 12 round fights in 4oz gloves, a lot of the fights would go the full 12 like in boxing? I mean ignoring the cuts/damaged hands aspects. I mean in terms of Tko's or knockouts.
Well, i think if it was pure boxing, more likely yes. Boxers are better at evading full blown shots.
Impractical Poster wrote: ↑01 Jul 2019, 22:19
Boxing gloves vs MMA gloves vs bare knuckle
Let science decide.
Interesting.
Personally I would prefer to be wearing MMA gloves than no gloves for the reasons James outlines. Though I wonder if you just taped your hands if that would be sufficient enough to stop hand issues and teeth cutting the shit out of your hands?
I am surprised by the little difference between the gloves and then such a big difference between MMA gloves and no gloves. Personally I have found a good MMA glove to be a bit of a ‘sweet spot.’
Other things that I believe should be taken into account though is definitely surface area, with MMA gloves it’s IMO easier to hit with 1 or 2 knuckles, localising the hit.
Boxing with MMA gloves would be totally different though the smaller gloves are harder to defend against and use for defence, I guess you could say in a way it is more ‘pure’ because it’s harder to use equipment to your advantage.
Nondescript wrote: ↑01 Jul 2019, 13:02
Hmm ive heard differing stories on that. In principle what you're saying makes perfect sense, but when you listen to MMA guys who fight in 4oz gloves and spar in bigger gloves, they always say that they notice the effects more in 4oz gloves when they get clocked with a big shot.
4oz gloved pack more of a wallop than 16. Silly to say otherwise. There is a sport difference between gloves and bare fists. I'm better with gloves, never used 4.
Impractical Poster wrote: ↑02 Jul 2019, 21:40
if you really want to find out how to make your hand like a rock inside your glove, visit camp Margarito.
Impractical Poster wrote: ↑02 Jul 2019, 21:40
if you really want to find out how to make your hand like a rock inside your glove, visit camp Margarito.
You’ve never felt a properly wrapped hand have you? Without any extra substances they are already rock hard and add weight. It’s all in the layering of tape and gauze.
Impractical Poster wrote: ↑01 Jul 2019, 09:38
I'm fairly comfortable with your first scenario. Ngannou is powerful, but so was Rumble. Rumble knocked DC pretty good in their first meeting. And DC was able to take it, get him down and finish him. And Rumble has better wrestling than Francis. As long as DC doesn't get careless, he takes this easily.
I was thinking about this a bit more- whilst he's nowhere near as accomplished a wrestler as Cormier (but he's still a strong wrestler), do you remember Ngannou's first fight with Curtis Blaydes? He had a real hard time taking and holding Francis down, and he's a big old lump himself.
The huge size advantage that Francis has over DC, does make a little intriguing for me.
