BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Joyce vs Jennings, Dubois vs Gorman

[dagilechia]

Current ranking:

1. Tyson Fury - 28(20) 0 1 - next fight: TBA

2. Deontay Wilder - 41(40) 0 1 - next fight: 28.09.2019 vs Luiz Ortiz - 31(26) 1(1) 0 - (#7)

3. Andy Ruiz Jr - 33(22) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

4. Anthony Joshua - 22(21) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

5. Dillian Whyte - 25(18) 1(1) 0 - next fight: 20.07.2019 vs Óscar Rivas - 26(18) 0 0 - (#11)

6. Alexander Povetkin - 34(24) 2(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Luis Ortiz - 31(26) 1(1) 0 - next fight: 28.09.2019 vs Deontay Wilder - 41(40) 0 1 - (#2)

8. Kubrat Pulev - 27(14) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. Joseph Parker - 26(20) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Adam Kownacki - 19(15) 0 0 - next fight: 03.08.2019 vs Chris Arreola - 38(33) 5(3) 1 - (unranked, BoxRec's #40)

11. Óscar Rivas - 26(18) 0 0 - next fight: 20.07.2019 vs Dillian Whyte - 25(18) 1(1) 0 - (#5)

12. Filip Hrgović - 8(6) 0 0 - next fight: 24.08.2019 vs Mario Heredia - 16(13) 6(5) 1 - (unranked, BoxRec's #47)

13. Dereck Chisora - 30(21) 9(3) 0 - next fight: 20.07.2019 vs Artur Szpilka - 22(15) 3(3) 0 - (unranked, BoxRec's #24)

14. Agit Kabayel - 19(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Dominic Breazeale - 20(18) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

Question A: How are the rankings affected by Joe Joyce's (unranked, BoxRec's #28) UD 12 win over Bryant Jennings (unranked, BoxRec's #26)

My vote: No change.

Question B: How are the rankings affected by Daniel Dubois' (unranked, BoxRec's #55) KO 5 win over Nathan Gorman (unranked, BoxRec's #44)

My vote: No change.

[DrDuke]

I'd put Dubois to the 15th, instead of Breazeale.

Breazeale's biggest wins were TKO due to an injury in Mansour fight, which he was losing, and a win in a hard fight over Ugonoh, who is a blown prospect.

Dubois has just defeated a solid rising contender in a dominant fashion.

Actually Breazeale could be dropped even lower, I'd place Joyce over him as well.

[Lennox]

Pretty crap all around Joyce and Jennings, subjectively I'd say no change. Dubois Gorman does not need a vote.

[joshj909]

Joyce reluctantly to 15.

The cards, the point deduction and the commentary was atrocious but he edged the win against a decent opponent in Jennings.

Not for me, but Washington's win over Helenius and Yoka's win over Dimitrenko might affect some people's rankings in addition to these two

[dagilechia]

Joyce reluctantly to 15.

The cards, the point deduction and the commentary was atrocious but he edged the win against a decent opponent in Jennings.

Not for me, but Washington's win over Helenius and Yoka's win over Dimitrenko might affect some people's rankings in addition to these two

To me, it was certain that they wouldn't get voted in by most and that is why i didn't included those fights. I think though that Joyce and Dubois have a decent chance to get the majority so i made the topic on their fights.

[joshj909]

Joyce reluctantly to 15.

The cards, the point deduction and the commentary was atrocious but he edged the win against a decent opponent in Jennings.

Not for me, but Washington's win over Helenius and Yoka's win over Dimitrenko might affect some people's rankings in addition to these two

To me, it was certain that they wouldn't get voted in by most and that is why i didn't included those fights. I think though that Joyce and Dubois have a decent chance to get the majority so i made the topic on their fights.

True, didn't think about it needing the majority to make an impact

[greg]

no change

[Lennox]

Joyce reluctantly to 15.

The cards, the point deduction and the commentary was atrocious but he edged the win against a decent opponent in Jennings.

Not for me, but Washington's win over Helenius and Yoka's win over Dimitrenko might affect some people's rankings in addition to these two

To me, it was certain that they wouldn't get voted in by most and that is why i didn't included those fights. I think though that Joyce and Dubois have a decent chance to get the majority so i made the topic on their fights.

When you think a number 40 ranked fighter fighting a number 50 ranked fighter should affect the top 15 there is something wrong. You need to isolate this straight away or you will create a mess. just stick to fights where one is in the 15.

[ValMar]

no change

x2...............

[dagilechia]

To me, it was certain that they wouldn't get voted in by most and that is why i didn't included those fights. I think though that Joyce and Dubois have a decent chance to get the majority so i made the topic on their fights.

When you think a number 40 ranked fighter fighting a number 50 ranked fighter should affect the top 15 there is something wrong. You need to isolate this straight away or you will create a mess. just stick to fights where one is in the 15.

that's what i wanted to do but since most of the posters said that we should also vote on some decent fights between fighters that are outside the top 15 we'll do that from time to time, this will not happen too often. btw, how the fighters are ranked on boxrec doesn't really matter, Heredia was ranked above Dubois and Teper, Stiverne, Arreola, Browne, Molina, Kean were ranked above both Dubois and Gorman

[Tarkus]

Joyce to 14
Dubois to 15

Jennings OUT
Gorman OUT

[Pukka Cheese]

Joyce to 15, Breazeale out.

Think Hrgovic, Kabayel, Joyce & Dubois all very close..

[oogiebe]

No change.

[Contendeh]

No change.
Still would rather see Hunter at 15 than Breazeale

[Jonny22Kupfer]

No change

No change

[Heretic]

Dubois in at #15

Rest stay out.

Breazeale should not be on this list...

Dubois is better than him.

[morm]

Dubois #15
Joyce #16

[KiwiRider]

No change.

Cripes it's crap past #10 on our list.
Dubois needs another decent couple of wins before consideration.
Joyce one more around the same level and he could sneak in.
If Allen does an impressive number on Price, I would like to have him in at the bottom

[dagilechia]

No change.

Cripes it's crap past #10 on our list.
Dubois needs another decent couple of wins before consideration.
Joyce one more around the same level and he could sneak in.
If Allen does an impressive number on Price, I would like to have him in at the bottom

isn't that because there are no more than 10 decent fighters in this division?

i agree that Dubois would likely defeat Breazeale but i personally didn't voted him in, i would rather vote Ajagba in if he defeats Demirezen with ease. Or Szpilka if he defeats Chisora.

[cpx2]

Assuming Allen wins convincingly Saturday, I believe him and Joyce are probably on the periphery with one more strong win - DDD needs two.
I'd probably vote Joe Joyce to 15 and Breazeale out, however

[ewenhay]

No change

And

No change

Both got a bit to do yet

[dagilechia]

i am surprised that most of the posters vote for ''no changes'', i thought that at least one of the winner will make it to the top 15, that said, i have voted myself for no changes as well

[Finkel]

Joyce #15

[Heretic]

They are both so green still.

Jennings would have been good win but Joyce just didn't impress in that one. If you go back and count all the clean punches landing in that fight I think there is even argument for Jennings winning the fight.

I had Joyce winning but the match was actually really close one. Jennings just didn't do enough. Maybe he felt the power and got scared?

I voted Dubois in just because I rank him higher than Breazeale who I think should not be on the list. Hes win over Izu doesen't seem so good anymore and I never gave him much credit for beating Mansour the way he did.

Dubois at least is bit of an unknown quantity at this moment. He looked great against Gorman and many people here were picking Gorman before the fight.

[joshj909]

They are both so green still.

Jennings would have been good win but Joyce just didn't impress in that one. If you go back and count all the clean punches landing in that fight I think there is even argument for Jennings winning the fight.

I had Joyce winning but the match was actually really close one. Jennings just didn't too enough. Maybe he felt the power and got scared?

I voted Dubois in just because I rank him higher than Breazeale who I think should not be on the list. Hes win over Izu doesen't seem so good anymore and I never gave him much credit for beating Mansour the way he did.

Dubois at least is bit of an unknown quantity at this moment. He looked great against Gorman and many people here were picking Gorman before the fight.

That win has completely lost its value now, and as you mentioned, when you ignore the Mansour fight due to the circumstances, his next best win is Molina. Even Jennings has a better win than that. This was definitely a chance for people to drop Breazeale from the rankings for a more worthwhile boxer in Joyce, Dubois or maybe even Yoka, even if they don't think they are top 15 themselves.