Ray Mancini versus Sean O'Grady

[goose 5]

A potential action classic would be won by which man ?

[HomicideHenry]

Mancini would win about KO8

No offense to O'Grady I absolutely loved watching the guy especially when he became a commentator even for Art Dore's Toughman Contest on FX but his record consisted of Oklahoma scrubs by and large.

His high rating was strictly because of his old man who not only promoted but managed and trained large stables of fighters--- mostly tiersmen & journeymen who he fed to Monte Masters, Wimpy Halstead, Bobby Crabtree, and his son--- and owned an organization (the defunct WAA title).

He was 29-0-0 before losing to Danny Lopez in the 4th round. Then he fought 38 times against complete bums, winning the USBA title over Arturo Leon (22-17-2) in a fifteen round decision. That was 1979. The following year Jim Watt cleans his clock in the 12th. The next year he decisions Hilmer Kenty over 15 to win the WBA title, only to lose it to Andy Ganigan by 2nd round knockout.

Compare that to Mancini... 19 fights and becomes a top contender winning the NABF title and has a helluva war with Alexis Arguello losing in the 14th round... The following year he wins the title and defends it 4 times (plus 2 non-title bouts) including the brutal battle with Deuk-Koo Kim & Bobby Chacon. Then he has two wars with Livingstone Bramble, then loses a split decision to Hector Camacho.

I change my mind... Mancini kayos O'Grady in the 5th... He's too tough and too good for Bubblegum... He's a completely different kind of fighter well outside of O'Grady's level.

[goose 5]

I don't see how anyone could disagree with your points. Mancini by tko mid rounds is spot on.

[oogiebe]

I don't see how anyone could disagree with your points. Mancini by tko mid rounds is spot on.

Truly.

[cfang]

I don't think Jim watt cleaned his clock! I remember watching that fight as a kid and it was a bloody attritional affair.

[cfang]

Mancini would ko him though obvs

[Counter-puncher]

I don't think Jim watt cleaned his clock! I remember watching that fight as a kid and it was a bloody attritional affair.

Saying Watt cleaned his clock is the kind of comment makes me assume he didn't watch the fight. O'Grady gave Watt loads of problems. Without the cut he could have won that fight.

[Woldemar]

Mancini would stop him in 7-8 round

[cfang]

I do recall watt being really lucky. He was struggling and there was a clash of heads and o Grady had a brutal gash. That's how I remember it anyway.


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Saying Watt cleaned his clock is the kind of comment makes me assume he didn't watch the fight. O'Grady gave Watt loads of problems. Without the cut he could have won that fight.
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[Nile4000]

Mancini would win about KO8

No offense to O'Grady I absolutely loved watching the guy especially when he became a commentator even for Art Dore's Toughman Contest on FX but his record consisted of Oklahoma scrubs by and large.

His high rating was strictly because of his old man who not only promoted but managed and trained large stables of fighters--- mostly tiersmen & journeymen who he fed to Monte Masters, Wimpy Halstead, Bobby Crabtree, and his son--- and owned an organization (the defunct WAA title).

He was 29-0-0 before losing to Danny Lopez in the 4th round. Then he fought 38 times against complete bums, winning the USBA title over Arturo Leon (22-17-2) in a fifteen round decision. That was 1979. The following year Jim Watt cleans his clock in the 12th. The next year he decisions Hilmer Kenty over 15 to win the WBA title, only to lose it to Andy Ganigan by 2nd round knockout.

Compare that to Mancini... 19 fights and becomes a top contender winning the NABF title and has a helluva war with Alexis Arguello losing in the 14th round... The following year he wins the title and defends it 4 times (plus 2 non-title bouts) including the brutal battle with Deuk-Koo Kim & Bobby Chacon. Then he has two wars with Livingstone Bramble, then loses a split decision to Hector Camacho.

I change my mind... Mancini kayos O'Grady in the 5th... He's too tough and too good for Bubblegum... He's a completely different kind of fighter well outside of O'Grady's level.

Agreed. And Sean was a decent fighter, just not Ray's level.

[Counter-puncher]

I do recall watt being really lucky. He was struggling and there was a clash of heads and o Grady had a brutal gash. That's how I remember it anyway

You remember right

[Onetimeonly]

I don't think Jim watt cleaned his clock! I remember watching that fight as a kid and it was a bloody attritional affair.

It was incredibly controversial, O'Grady was winning. Watt cleaned Howard's clock. I agree that Mancini wins, but O'Grady was a step above a gatti type that couldn't fight at that level. Kenty was very good when Sean beat him up.

[oogiebe]

It was incredibly controversial, O'Grady was winning. Watt cleaned Howard's clock. I agree that Mancini wins, but O'Grady was a step above a gatti type that couldn't fight at that level. Kenty was very good when Sean beat him up.

Hometown ref let Watt get away with a lot of roughhousing and the scoring at the time of the stoppage was out of whack. O'Grady was a great watch, but I agree that he loses to Boom Boom.

[Brian Seneca]

I agree Mancini wins. But also O’Grady was winning the Watt fight. He didn’t lose the WBA title to Ganigan. He was stripped for not fighting Claude Noel of all people. Lost to Hawaiian Punch and Verderosa consecutively I believe. Non title affairs (waa not counting)

[oogiebe]

Mancini was far above O'Grady (who I loved to watch). Mid to late TKO.

[Onetimeonly]

Mancini was far above O'Grady (who I loved to watch). Mid to late TKO.

Really? And you think ray would lose to gatti?

[oogiebe]

Mancini was far above O'Grady (who I loved to watch). Mid to late TKO.

Really? And you think ray would lose to gatti?

I would never pick Gatti over Ray, so I don't know what you are referring to. Mancini is one of my favorite fighters of all time.

[Onetimeonly]

Really? And you think ray would lose to gatti?

I would never pick Gatti over Ray, so I don't know what you are referring to. Mancini is one of my favorite fighters of all time.

No shit? My bad, I had a discussion with someone I thought was you that Mancini was levels above gatti.

[oogiebe]

I would never pick Gatti over Ray, so I don't know what you are referring to. Mancini is one of my favorite fighters of all time.

No poo? My bad, I had a discussion with someone I thought was you that Mancini was levels above gatti.

I'd pick Mancini over Gatti, yes. Levels? Nah. That's a UK term. Gatti was a tough SOB. It would be a war while it lasted. I could see picking Gatti too just because of size.

[APerno]

I don't see where O'Grady is winning at the time of the stoppage.

From Watt's perspective: referee: Raymond Baldeyrou 109-105 | Harry Gibbs 108-104 | Arthur Mercante 104-103 -- it looks to me like the first post that said Watt was kicking his butt is correct one; judge wise only Mercante has it close but for Watt, for two of the judges the fight is already out of reach by decision for O'Grady (save a KD); but I didn't watch the fight.

[Onetimeonly]

No poo? My bad, I had a discussion with someone I thought was you that Mancini was levels above gatti.

I'd pick Mancini over Gatti, yes. Levels? Nah. That's a UK term. Gatti was a tough SOB. It would be a war while it lasted. I could see picking Gatti too just because of size.

Gatti wouldn't win a Rd.

[Onetimeonly]

I don't see where O'Grady is winning at the time of the stoppage.

From Watt's perspective: referee: Raymond Baldeyrou 109-105 | Harry Gibbs 108-104 | Arthur Mercante 104-103 -- it looks to me like the first post that said Watt was kicking his butt is correct one; judge wise only Mercante has it close but for Watt, for two of the judges the fight is already out of reach by decision for O'Grady (save a KD); but I didn't watch the fight.

Perhaps you should? Ever see escalera/Everett? If you didn't reading those scores and forming an opinion could embarrass you.

[Counter-puncher]

I don't see where O'Grady is winning at the time of the stoppage.

From Watt's perspective: referee: Raymond Baldeyrou 109-105 | Harry Gibbs 108-104 | Arthur Mercante 104-103 -- it looks to me like the first post that said Watt was kicking his butt is correct one;

it looks to me like you're a fricken idiot trying to assess fights from a scorecard, in favour of a dude in his own home town, when you haven't seen the fricken fight. ffs

[APerno]

Wow you are insulting me because I interpreted scores./statistics -- I said I didn't see the fight so that would be understood, but never the less you had to insult me anyway by pointing out I didn't see the fight.

You two need to build a little confidence in yourselves; you are the ones embarrassing yourselves.

[prewarboxing]

Let's just analyse this thread a little.

We have yet another tedious debate about which boxer from one era would have beaten another boxer from a different era.

Not only are these debates polluting a sub-forum that is supposed to be about ACTUAL boxing history but this particular one shows why these endless diatribes are so monotonous and uninteresting.

We have just had counterpuncher calling a fellow contributor an idiot for trying to assess an ACTUAL contest from a scorecard when he didn't even see the "fricken fight". He is doing this to support his theory about a contest for which there was no scorecard because there never was a "fricken fight" in the first place.

We then have APerno responding to what he sees as an insult. In other words, they are squabbling about something that never actually happened in the first place. The thread has degenerated into a petty argument.


For heaven's sake, will you take this repetitive claptrap, for which there are endless similar examples, to the newly-created Mythical Fights sub-forum and leave the rest of us, who actually want to talk about REAL boxing history, in peace

Miles Templeton