Froch claims that Ward's fighting style is borderline cheating. Do you agree ?

[boxing_rocks]

I can appreciate people who didn't enjoy his style BUT calling it cheating is sour sour grapes.

You don't win an olympic gold against the best crop of amateurs by being a cheat personally felt Ward was never appreciate enough for his accomplishments!

Amateur boxing is based on behind the scenes cheating.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Holding, head butting and hitting low.

I think i read somewhere on wikipedia its against the rules

But if the ref allows it....

[IKSRTFO]

kovalev would've got the decision if fairly judged in first fight vs. ward.

ward vs. kovalev 2 is one of the stand out examples of total corruption of the sport.

still find it crazy how obvious the poo was they pulled off, not giving a fvck about the fact that everyone with an ounce of brain is aware of the corruption.

Or maybe if Kovalev was simply the Krusher that he claimed to be, he would've dominated a blown up super middle.

Ward said it best. He couldn't stop a smaller fighter, he dropped in the 2nd round.

Kovalev is simply a bully type fighter who folds once a fighter starts to fight him back.

[ironbeard]

I can appreciate people who didn't enjoy his style BUT calling it cheating is sour sour grapes.

You don't win an olympic gold against the best crop of amateurs by being a cheat personally felt Ward was never appreciate enough for his accomplishments!

Amateur boxing is based on behind the scenes cheating.

. . . unless, of course, an Eastern European wins.

[boxing_rocks]

Amateur boxing is based on behind the scenes cheating.

. . . unless, of course, an Eastern European wins.

No. Major boxing countries including Eastern Euros and Americans agree how to split medals.

[ironbeard]

. . . unless, of course, an Eastern European wins.

No. Major boxing countries including Eastern Euros and Americans agree how to split medals.

You are so utterly deluded when it comes to Ward that if someone brought up his victories as a 9 year old you would contrive a criticism.

You are a worse loser than Kovalev himself, who is resigned to the fact that he never beat Ward and he never would if he had fought him ten more times.

He has made a super comeback. His fans are still crying like babies refused the tit.

[Impractical Poster]

I've seen running backs make borderline touchdowns. They were borderline out of bounds. But it's still a legal touchdown.

[boxing_rocks]

No. Major boxing countries including Eastern Euros and Americans agree how to split medals.

You are so utterly deluded when it comes to Ward that if someone brought up his victories as a 9 year old you would contrive a criticism.

You are a worse loser than Kovalev himself, who is resigned to the fact that he never beat Ward and he never would if he had fought him ten more times.

He has made a super comeback. His fans are still crying like babies refused the tit.

I am not a fan of Kovalev, as he is an inferior human being, but he won about 8 rounds in the first Ward fight completely outboxing the alleged slick boxer.

[adislav123]

kovalev would've got the decision if fairly judged in first fight vs. ward.

ward vs. kovalev 2 is one of the stand out examples of total corruption of the sport.

still find it crazy how obvious the poo was they pulled off, not giving a fvck about the fact that everyone with an ounce of brain is aware of the corruption.

Or maybe if Kovalev was simply the Krusher that he claimed to be, he would've dominated a blown up super middle.

Ward said it best. He couldn't stop a smaller fighter, he dropped in the 2nd round.

Kovalev is simply a bully type fighter who folds once a fighter starts to fight him back.

or maybe if ward was simply the son of god that he claimed to be...

blown up super middle, yeah sure, kovalev a couple of centimeters TALLER, how exactly is he bigger than ward?

yeah, kovalev is a bully, an alcoholic and mentally EXTREMELY weak. his fighting spirit practicly vaporizes the second a real fighter like ward starts hitting back.

weak bully type fighter, Like tyson, like duran. FOLDS under REAL PRESSURE, not a real man.

yeah, exactly rocks!!! inferior human being! exactly! Untermenschen!!!

[adislav123]

moneymay, ward & sugar ray! superior human beings!! superhumans!

the likes of kovalev, tyson & duran, folders, quitters & bullies! definitely inferior, subhuman category, practically animals! just look at them! scum! UNTERMENSCHEN!

[ironbeard]

You are so utterly deluded when it comes to Ward that if someone brought up his victories as a 9 year old you would contrive a criticism.

You are a worse loser than Kovalev himself, who is resigned to the fact that he never beat Ward and he never would if he had fought him ten more times.

He has made a super comeback. His fans are still crying like babies refused the tit.

I am not a fan of Kovalev, as he is an inferior human being, but he won about 8 rounds in the first Ward fight completely outboxing the alleged slick boxer.

About 8 rounds? As in 6 or 7?

It was a close fight that went Ward’s way. Get over it.

[boxing_rocks]

I am not a fan of Kovalev, as he is an inferior human being, but he won about 8 rounds in the first Ward fight completely outboxing the alleged slick boxer.

About 8 rounds? As in 6 or 7?

It was a close fight that went Ward’s way. Get over it.

It was not a close fight. A pretty wide win by Kovalev.

[ironbeard]

About 8 rounds? As in 6 or 7?

It was a close fight that went Ward’s way. Get over it.

It was not a close fight. A pretty wide win by Kovalev.

Keep telling yourself that, and Hurricane Dorian is going to turn around any minute and slam into Alabama.

[Bard of Boxrec]

It was not a close fight. A pretty wide win by Kovalev.

Keep telling yourself that, and Hurricane Dorian is going to turn around any minute and slam into Alabama.

Seriously man, where do you get off on pretending everyone’s life is ruined by the kovalev /ward fight? This thread is expressly about Ward’s style, so SURPRISE people are going to talk about ... Ward’s style and the fights he was in. The only one getting emotional about it is you.

[Cent0089]

Keep telling yourself that, and Hurricane Dorian is going to turn around any minute and slam into Alabama.

Seriously man, where do you get off on pretending everyone’s life is ruined by the kovalev /ward fight? This thread is expressly about Ward’s style, so SURPRISE people are going to talk about ... Ward’s style and the fights he was in. The only one getting emotional about it is you.

+1. And fact he never became superstar of boxing despite how good he was is indicator that boxing fans really dislike his dirty tricks.

[greg]

..been wondering for a while how the tough guys "toughness" be affected once they realised there's a whole new world lying outside of their respective backyards' perimeter waiting to be explored..

[ewenhay]

Oh, now I see you conveniently don't count the first two rounds that Kov clearly won

To be fair he's not alone. you only count the first two rounds of the Joshua vRuiz fight.

[ironbeard]

Keep telling yourself that, and Hurricane Dorian is going to turn around any minute and slam into Alabama.

Seriously man, where do you get off on pretending everyone’s life is ruined by the kovalev /ward fight? This thread is expressly about Ward’s style, so SURPRISE people are going to talk about ... Ward’s style and the fights he was in. The only one getting emotional about it is you.

Right Mr. Blowe, this has been “about Ward’s style.” And I am the one upset.

I like Ward’s winning style. It is a style that never lost in the professional ranks. It is a style that was in only one close fight. But, what I like most about Ward’s professional style is that it has left so many whimpering naysayers in its wake.

It was a perfect style.

[sturm vogel]

I disagree. Head butting as he did against Kessler, and punching low, as he did against Kovalev, is the result of not being able to win any other way. We all know head butts and low blows are not consistent with boxing rules.

[margaret thatcher]

Oh, now I see you conveniently don't count the first two rounds that Kov clearly won

To be fair he's not alone. you only count the first two rounds of the Joshua vRuiz fight.

Not at all

[ironbeard]

I disagree. Head butting as he did against Kessler, and punching low, as he did against Kovalev, is the result of not being able to win any other way. We all know head butts and low blows are not consistent with boxing rules.

Head butts and low blows happen in boxing. Kessler could not handle Ward’s inside game. It was not a close contest. Kovalev also landed low blows in his second fight with Ward. Ward did not curl up in a ball and quit while attempting to get a DQ. Ward clipped Kovalev and swarmed him.

32-0. One close decision in his career. Maybe perfect is a bit too much; Ward had an almost perfect style.

[ironbeard]

Seriously man, where do you get off on pretending everyone’s life is ruined by the kovalev /ward fight? This thread is expressly about Ward’s style, so SURPRISE people are going to talk about ... Ward’s style and the fights he was in. The only one getting emotional about it is you.

+1. And fact he never became superstar of boxing despite how good he was is indicator that boxing fans really dislike his dirty tricks.

Boxing fans do not get in the ring. A majority of boxing fans prefer brawling, high risk styles that lead to exchanges of clean head shots.

Ward has a style that earned him a perfect record, financial security, a lucrative post boxing profession that requires lucid communication skills, and a balanced personal life. That adds up to a damned near perfect sum of a style.

[gilgamesh]

His style was undoubtedly effective. Unfortunately it was just also boring a lot of the time. Usually his fights played out like you're watching a more athletic John Ruiz type. Obviously Ward is levels above Ruiz, but I mean his fights would often be similarly ugly and boring...he was a lot faster, and able to take advantage more of the in-betweens than Ruiz.

[ewenhay]

To be fair he's not alone. you only count the first two rounds of the Joshua vRuiz fight.

Not at all

Maybe the first half of the third too.

[margaret thatcher]

Not at all

Maybe the first half of the third too.

Nah, not at all. For an overall account of the competitivness of the fight, you have to count every part of it. I single out the first 2.5 because I think they show it can be a different fight if AJ isnt hurt, and I think the manner in which he first got hurt (rushing in for the kill) is avoidable

But if you asked me to give an overall account, all rounds matter, you also have to mention with Andy bossing it too of course.