John Fury Not Happy!

[Nondescript]

Yeah, but was he from Dudley...

[edit]

Supposing it were proven that black people have, on average, less academic intelligence than white people, what does it matter? That's always gonna be the question to put to people who've spent years working towards trying to prove it. They'll give you some fudge about wanting to help redress the balance by painting themselves as good guys, but nothing's stopping anyone from fighting for better equality right now. Out of simple human decency.

It is annoying. You see a lot of low IQ people themselves who peddle the narrative of black people being low IQ. You see it a lot in particular in regards to America and places like Baltimore which has a majority African-American population and has a big crime problem.

That's the problem with a lot of scientists who talk about these subject matters. Even if their intentions weren't negative, it ends up being parroted by idiots who haven't even read the entirety of said scientists work on the topic.

[Grilling Machine]

Baltimore, aye. What's the betting that if the same people looked into a predominantly white area with a high drug-related crime incidence, they'd soon arrive at poverty as the primary cause.

They'd also blame feckless proles if they were braying Old Etonians, but that's off on a tangent. This is Big John's thread, after all!

[Steveh583]

Yes. Yes it was. One ref getting it wrong by a huge margin doesn't change the actual fight. It was a close one.

Agree Steve. I was there that night and I had money on a JM points win. I thought that fight was a brave match up and JM May have too much stamina for him. I didn’t think it was a decision robbery, poor scorecard yes.

[margaret thatcher]

Is it true that his real surname is Partridge?

[oogiebe]

Noooo...really?????!!!!!

[Coco]

Are Josie Tingles and mingo fillet both the same guys Pigg?

[margaret thatcher]

Kind of rude to call him a pigg don't ya think?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Can we like LOCK this thread now.. I think it was closed aaaaaaaaaages ago.

[Coco]

@Coco

Are you not contributing to my Mick Mills thread?

Thought you be straight on it.

The Mick Mills thread is a good one, your Partridge thread was hall of fame stuff.

[GreenLightning]

I wonder why people seem to get so much more emotionally upset when people suggest the same may be true of cognitive advantages?

Probably because it's white supremacist propaganda bollocks that is ironically repeated by those with the intelligence of a knat, are you scumbags determined to ruin all of my hobbies by repeating this "race realism" kack in every single forum?

[GreenLightning]

I've seen cases put forward. Either way, I doubt it's evidence that explains the immediate hostile and emotional reaction that gets , even though people seem far far more open to other differences. And I mean, in the end, aren't they all physical (just limbs vs brain?)

Name a single credible case

[GreenLightning]

Yeah, but was he from Dudley...

[edit]

Supposing it were proven that black people have, on average, less academic intelligence than white people, what does it matter? That's always gonna be the question to put to people who've spent years working towards trying to prove it. They'll give you some fudge about wanting to help redress the balance by painting themselves as good guys, but nothing's stopping anyone from fighting for better equality right now. Out of simple human decency.

It is annoying. You see a lot of low IQ people themselves who peddle the narrative of black people being low IQ. You see it a lot in particular in regards to America and places like Baltimore which has a majority African-American population and has a big crime problem.

That's the problem with a lot of scientists who talk about these subject matters. Even if their intentions weren't negative, it ends up being parroted by idiots who haven't even read the entirety of said scientists work on the topic.

Oh thank god I thought this garbage had went unchallanged again, too often do I see it and it's getting really disturbing, it's popping up everywhere

[margaret thatcher]

Case in point again

Brawns, meh, no biggie to talk about differences, like look Jamaicans such and such when it comes to their ankles and running speed

The mere raising of the topic of brains, WAAAAH, CRY MOAN CRY YOURE A RACIST!!!!

There are clear racial differences in cognitive performance , the reasons for that i dunno and they may not be innate at all, but it shouldnt be off limits of discussion because some people have too much snowflake in them. If you're fine discussing one part of the body, why not another

[jamesmcdonnell]

I've seen cases put forward. Either way, I doubt it's evidence that explains the immediate hostile and emotional reaction that gets , even though people seem far far more open to other differences. And I mean, in the end, aren't they all physical (just limbs vs brain?)

Name a single credible case

There are none.

[Counter-puncher]

There are clear racial differences in cognitive performance

Clear according to what?

[GreenLightning]

Case in point again

Brawns, meh, no biggie to talk about differences, like look Jamaicans such and such when it comes to their ankles and running speed

The mere raising of the topic of brains, WAAAAH, CRY MOAN CRY YOURE A RACIST!!!!

There are clear racial differences in cognitive performance , the reasons for that i dunno and they may not be innate at all, but it shouldnt be off limits of discussion because some people have too much snowflake in them. If you're fine discussing one part of the body, why not another

Racist propaganda should be treated with nothing but disdain, have a problem with racist propaganda? SNOWFLAKE!! "clear racial differences in cognitive performance but i dunno why" wow your intellect and catalogue of evidence has certainly swayed me, not doing much to disprove the actual evidence that the people who repeat this nonsense havn't got much brainpower themselves though, silly bollocks, stick to making threads about goofy looking boxers.

[coneye]

Well difference in intelligence does'nt just mean in the races theres a stark differnce just from man to man ,,,Lets say you have a very highhly intelligent man , having a disusion with Big John , Brainbox figures he's far too intelligent for the gypsy , so starts to out think and outwit the gypsy kings father , and so he should he probably has years of education over John ,he gets smugger and smugger with his points , till he starts to look down on John , , But even though losing the arguement the big fella is'nt stupid , he relizes this and resorts too another method .

He grabs brainbox by the throat looks him directly in the eye and says , you smug little prick , apolagise say your sorry admit your in the wrong or i'll poke your eye out . Brainbox shits himself , says he's sorry , walks home with it running down his leg , and is embarressed for the rest of his life , about the time the insolent , halfwit gypsy made him shit his own pants ,, . Big John on the other hand sits around the familly table telling his sons about it , and admits he was never gonna hurt him anyway , just put the fear of god in him .

So i ask you whoi's the smart one , the intellegent guy who got too smart and shit himself or the uneducated gypsy who is smart enough to know
A - he's having the piss took out of him
B--- how to stop it .

Point being theres different types of intellegence , and the human being has evolved enough to know whats what , Uneducated Aborigines in Australia who can't spell , but they would live of the land whilst a white guy would starve , Uni educated politicians who have no moral fibre or sence of fair play ,but are considered smart ,, I think smarts and brains are an education thing ,,, but street smarts are learnt a different way

[jamesmcdonnell]

Well difference in intelligence does'nt just mean in the races theres a stark differnce just from man to man ,,,Lets say you have a very highhly intelligent man , having a disusion with Big John , Brainbox figures he's far too intelligent for the gypsy , so starts to out think and outwit the gypsy kings father , and so he should he probably has years of education over John ,he gets smugger and smugger with his points , till he starts to look down on John , , But even though losing the arguement the big fella is'nt stupid , he relizes this and resorts too another method .

He grabs brainbox by the throat looks him directly in the eye and says , you smug little prick , apolagise say your sorry admit your in the wrong or i'll poke your eye out . Brainbox shits himself , says he's sorry , walks home with it running down his leg , and is embarressed for the rest of his life , about the time the insolent , halfwit gypsy made him poo his own pants ,, . Big John on the other hand sits around the familly table telling his sons about it , and admits he was never gonna hurt him anyway , just put the fear of god in him .

So i ask you whoi's the smart one , the intellegent guy who got too smart and poo himself or the uneducated gypsy who is smart enough to know
A - he's having the piss took out of him
B--- how to stop it .

Point being theres different types of intellegence , and the human being has evolved enough to know whats what , Uneducated Aborigines in Australia who can't spell , but they would live of the land whilst a white guy would starve , Uni educated politicians who have no moral fibre or sence of fair play ,but are considered smart ,, I think smarts and brains are an education thing ,,, but street smarts are learnt a different way

Exactly. Humans are successful because they are adaptable.

[Ruthless-RKO]

WTF is this thread still open?

[Wee Tommy]

Yes and again it shows how genetics play a role has they also have naturally faster twitch muscle fibres, naturally anaerobic, short burst explosiveness which is what makes them naturally great sprinters, over the short distance

I thought that had been disproved recently?

I’ve always thought the reason why Jamaica produced so many good sprinters in recent years ( it’s not like they’ve absolutely dominated sprinting historically ) is because of a simple case of it being massively popular there. Chuck in a seemingly national sponsored doping campaign and it starts to make sense why they do so well in that distance.

A better example would be the New Zealand rugby team. Mix and match of all shapes and sizes and backgrounds, yet they dominate rugby union by and large. It’s because they are passed a rugby ball before they can crawl it is everything in that country. Nothing to do with genetics really.

Popularity counts. I keep reading how powerful and strong west African, people from the Caribbean and Polynesians all are but how many of them have been crowned worlds strongest man? Especially when compared to how many people from Iceland have won that title. Are Icelandic people generally just much stronger than everyone else or is because they all absolutely love strongman competition?

Obviously genetics helps to a degree but it’s really on an individual by individual basis. Popularity of the sport in question where the person comes from, economic factors ( poor people tend to make better and successful athletes, especially in boxing ) and the individuals genetic advantages. Mentality is bigger imo, especially at the highest levels.

Over the centuries before industrialisation, living in Iceland was especially harsh and infant mortality was high. The climate and environment favoured very strong, resilient offspring. As well as having a lot of really large and strong athletes, there are also quite a lot of people living past 100 in Iceland. I was there last year and it’s shite, so I can see why they are hardy

I’m a wee guy at 5’9”, something else I noticed over there was the urinals were really high, I had to piss at an upward angle to get it in

[margaret thatcher]

There are clear racial differences in cognitive performance

Clear according to what?

For example, standardized test scores, which clearly test some type of cog performance even if you debate that it is really 'intellegence' being tested. The differences are as clear as any athletic performance differences

Why are there these differnces? Certainly the reasons might be multifaceted and perhaps not be rooted in any inate factor, but to let emotion not even let ppl permit the discussion is ironically oppressive . Especially if ppl are pretty much okay with talking about physical and athletic differences. As I see it (and of course I am the might authority on all and not some internet rando), the brain and thought is just an extension of the physical discussion anyway.

Anyway, i'll stop if it makes ppl happier

[Counter-puncher]

Clear according to what?

For example, standardized test scores

which ones? sorry, I didn't make clear, 'because a man on the internet says so' isn't much use to me, you got links or whatever?

[margaret thatcher]

Lots, ex 'The racial group differences across admissions tests, such as the SAT, ACT, GRE, GMAT, MCAT, LSAT, Advanced Placement Program examinations and other measures of educational achievement, have been fairly consistent. '

Intelligence tests like welscher and stanford binet too

[GreenLightning]

Lots, ex 'The racial group differences across admissions tests, such as the SAT, ACT, GRE, GMAT, MCAT, LSAT, Advanced Placement Program examinations and other measures of educational achievement, have been fairly consistent. '

Intelligence tests like welscher and stanford binet too

On the IQ tests that Eugenicists used to use to prove racial disparity

"Most intelligence tests measure both fluid and crystallized intelligence, which has a large foundation in acquired knowledge and education. Because some people receive that education to a greater or lesser degree, IQ tests have been accused of being unfair and invalid.

Another criticism is that even when education levels are accounted for, cultural differences may still interfere with scores. If the entire concept of intelligence is culture-specific, it is also unfair to assess a person from one culture using the standards and definitions from a different culture.

Lastly, even when education levels and culture are controlled for, some small differences may remain. Researchers have investigated the complex reasons why and concede that racial stereotypes, testing bias and self-fulfilling prophesies around IQ could explain why certain groups may outperform others."

I scored a near genius I.Q and personally I found it to be a pretty shitty test of intelligence


SATs and LSAD etc. are a terrible examples because you assume an even playing field, let me have a wee look...


Here's a paper on the LSAD

https://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewco ... ntext=spur

"Conclusion:
The LSAT does systemically disadvantages minorities from obtaining higher education.
This is due to the fact that students that are more financially stable can obtain The LSAT also
systematically disadvantages underrepresented minorities because admissions place such a heavy
weight on the use the score to determine ability to pass the bar. However, the ABA considers
only first time takers in their success rates. When the data of second, third, or fourth time test
attempts are compressed, the percentage of minorities that succeed on the bar exam are
significantly increased.
This means there could be a more socio economic diverse field of successful lawyers if
the LSAT wasn’t used as the primary instrument for consideration by law school admission
officers. Law schools have slowly been making more policies to negate these effects as more
research and evidence increases. Harvard Law school, for example, no longer requires LSAT
scores to apply to the law school. They also accept the Graduate Record Examination, GRE."



Seriously mate, it took me about 2 minutes

[margaret thatcher]

LOL did I say that LSAT = intelligence? For someone who claims genius IQ your reading comp doesn't really match up, and that usually indicates a bullshitter

Of course those tests get at certain ways and abilities of thinking, that's pretty basic. I didn't say they all equate to perfect measures of intelligence --in fact you're bringing that up more than anyone and seemed a bit triggered by the matter. Are you insecure about something mate?

Fact is , counterpuncher asked about the tests, perhaps as if I was just making it up,, and it's obvious beyond doubt that pretty clear and significant differences in results occur on many many standardized tests that include questions that test the ability to manipulate variables, and think critically at a complex level and so on.. I'm sure the reasons for the different results are varied and complex, just like I'm sure athletic performance comes down to many things as well that aren't purely inborn factors..

The immediate knee jerk emotional outbursts some people get on the issue is pretty funny. If you are fine discussing athletic differences (ya, physical was not part of eugenics at all was it) LOL at you if you have an issue with discussing cognitive performance differences. Certain people should try not to be a little snowflake and try to discuss matters rationally and like adults, the pressure to not even have a discussion is pretty ironic, especially when coming from ppl who like to hold themselves as rational, thoughtful individuals.