If Gvozdyk/Beterbiev winner will call out Canelo, assuming he beats Kovalev?

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If Gvozdyk/Beterbiev winner will call out Canelo, assuming he beats Kovalev?

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Will Canelo accept it? I mean what it would be Canelo's excuse/answer to not fight the best LHW to cement his legacy? The boxing fans and the media may demand it.
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canelo will say yes. oscar will be irritated and not sure what to say.

gvozdyk and bertebiev are serious ko punchers in their prime. dangerous for any lh, especially for a middleweight.
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Gvodzyk is going to clown beterbiev and no canelo is not fighting him.
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RonnyJ wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 08:59 canelo will say yes. oscar will be irritated and not sure what to say.

gvozdyk and bertebiev are serious ko punchers in their prime. dangerous for any lh, especially for a middleweight.
If Canelo agrees to this possible fight at 175 lbs then he would make an ATG statement. :OhYes: :box:
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apollo creed wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 12:05
RonnyJ wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 08:59 canelo will say yes. oscar will be irritated and not sure what to say.

gvozdyk and bertebiev are serious ko punchers in their prime. dangerous for any lh, especially for a middleweight.
If Canelo agrees to this possible fight at 175 lbs then he would make an ATG statement. :OhYes: :box:
provided they don't catch him cheating yeat again ;-)
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Onetimeonly wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 09:55 Gvodzyk is going to clown beterbiev and no canelo is not fighting him.
Beterbiev is not a walk in the park. Artur Beterbiev had several hundred fights in amateurs and lost only in a few of them. He has never been in knockdown. Many of his fights he won by KO and early stoppages. He has been nominated as P4P #1 in 2010 by AIBA. During his amateur career he won against many notable fighters, including: Yunier Dorticos, Michael Hunter, Oleksandr Gvozdyk(TKO), Thabiso Mchunu(TKO), Sergei Kovalev, Imre Szello, Egor Mekhontsev, Evgeny Makarenko, Abbos Atoev, Mario Heredia(TKO), Siju Shabazz(KO), Ismail Sillakh (KO).


Artur can fight and end a fight quickly but I agree that Gvozdyk is technically the better boxer. The pressure is on Canelo, now he jumped up at 175 lbs.
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apollo creed wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 12:05
RonnyJ wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 08:59 canelo will say yes. oscar will be irritated and not sure what to say.

gvozdyk and bertebiev are serious ko punchers in their prime. dangerous for any lh, especially for a middleweight.
If Canelo agrees to this possible fight at 175 lbs then he would make an ATG statement. :OhYes: :box:
canelo is like oscar de la hoya. somebody can say whatever he wants about those 2, they lost fights, they got gift descisions etc.. but what nobody can take away from them is, they truly had a heart of a warrior.
oscar wasnt supposed to fight 6'2 prime Hopkins. Canelo aint supposed to go lh and challenge a ko artist in kovalev.

thats why i give mayor props to both and wouldnt be shocked if canelo fought gvozdyk. imagine floyd fighting prime GGG or prime Lara. he never had this in him. he was happy he got the gift descision against Castillo and said to himself 'I'll never fight a guy much stronger than me who puts pressure on me. prime Margarito, prime Williams-no fight
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apollo creed wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 12:25
Onetimeonly wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 09:55 Gvodzyk is going to clown beterbiev and no canelo is not fighting him.
Beterbiev is not a walk in the park. Artur Beterbiev had several hundred fights in amateurs and lost only in a few of them. He has never been in knockdown. Many of his fights he won by KO and early stoppages. He has been nominated as P4P #1 in 2010 by AIBA. During his amateur career he won against many notable fighters, including: Yunier Dorticos, Michael Hunter, Oleksandr Gvozdyk(TKO), Thabiso Mchunu(TKO), Sergei Kovalev, Imre Szello, Egor Mekhontsev, Evgeny Makarenko, Abbos Atoev, Mario Heredia(TKO), Siju Shabazz(KO), Ismail Sillakh (KO).


Artur can fight and end a fight quickly but I agree that Gvozdyk is technically the better boxer. The pressure is on Canelo, now he jumped up at 175 lbs.

bertebiev is the real deal
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greg wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 12:14
apollo creed wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 12:05

If Canelo agrees to this possible fight at 175 lbs then he would make an ATG statement. :OhYes: :box:
provided they don't catch him cheating yeat again ;-)
It all depending on how rigorous is the anti-doping test and if there is an Olympic drug testing protocol.
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RonnyJ wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 12:28
apollo creed wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 12:25

Beterbiev is not a walk in the park. Artur Beterbiev had several hundred fights in amateurs and lost only in a few of them. He has never been in knockdown. Many of his fights he won by KO and early stoppages. He has been nominated as P4P #1 in 2010 by AIBA. During his amateur career he won against many notable fighters, including: Yunier Dorticos, Michael Hunter, Oleksandr Gvozdyk(TKO), Thabiso Mchunu(TKO), Sergei Kovalev, Imre Szello, Egor Mekhontsev, Evgeny Makarenko, Abbos Atoev, Mario Heredia(TKO), Siju Shabazz(KO), Ismail Sillakh (KO).


Artur can fight and end a fight quickly but I agree that Gvozdyk is technically the better boxer. The pressure is on Canelo, now he jumped up at 175 lbs.

bertebiev is the real deal
Yup. A strong mofo that can fight. He had bad luck with his pro career. He was poorly managed. After Cloud and Campillo fights, Artur should've got more good fights.
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apollo creed wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 12:25
Onetimeonly wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 09:55 Gvodzyk is going to clown beterbiev and no canelo is not fighting him.
Beterbiev is not a walk in the park. Artur Beterbiev had several hundred fights in amateurs and lost only in a few of them. He has never been in knockdown. Many of his fights he won by KO and early stoppages. He has been nominated as P4P #1 in 2010 by AIBA. During his amateur career he won against many notable fighters, including: Yunier Dorticos, Michael Hunter, Oleksandr Gvozdyk(TKO), Thabiso Mchunu(TKO), Sergei Kovalev, Imre Szello, Egor Mekhontsev, Evgeny Makarenko, Abbos Atoev, Mario Heredia(TKO), Siju Shabazz(KO), Ismail Sillakh (KO).


Artur can fight and end a fight quickly but I agree that Gvozdyk is technically the better boxer. The pressure is on Canelo, now he jumped up at 175 lbs.
He has been dropped twice in the pros and was also rocked but not down vs Hot Rod. I've also seen turned to jelly legs in the amateurs.

He can punch for sure, but anything about him being some made of iron durability monster is just fantasy.
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margaret thatcher wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 12:40
apollo creed wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 12:25

Beterbiev is not a walk in the park. Artur Beterbiev had several hundred fights in amateurs and lost only in a few of them. He has never been in knockdown. Many of his fights he won by KO and early stoppages. He has been nominated as P4P #1 in 2010 by AIBA. During his amateur career he won against many notable fighters, including: Yunier Dorticos, Michael Hunter, Oleksandr Gvozdyk(TKO), Thabiso Mchunu(TKO), Sergei Kovalev, Imre Szello, Egor Mekhontsev, Evgeny Makarenko, Abbos Atoev, Mario Heredia(TKO), Siju Shabazz(KO), Ismail Sillakh (KO).


Artur can fight and end a fight quickly but I agree that Gvozdyk is technically the better boxer. The pressure is on Canelo, now he jumped up at 175 lbs.
He has been dropped twice in the pros and was also rocked but not down vs Hot Rod. I've also seen turned to jelly legs in the amateurs.

He can punch for sure, but anything about him being some made of iron durability monster is just fantasy.
Yeah Beterbiev is not a superhuman... :zzz:
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apollo creed wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 12:25
Onetimeonly wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 09:55 Gvodzyk is going to clown beterbiev and no canelo is not fighting him.
Beterbiev is not a walk in the park. Artur Beterbiev had several hundred fights in amateurs and lost only in a few of them. He has never been in knockdown. Many of his fights he won by KO and early stoppages. He has been nominated as P4P #1 in 2010 by AIBA. During his amateur career he won against many notable fighters, including: Yunier Dorticos, Michael Hunter, Oleksandr Gvozdyk(TKO), Thabiso Mchunu(TKO), Sergei Kovalev, Imre Szello, Egor Mekhontsev, Evgeny Makarenko, Abbos Atoev, Mario Heredia(TKO), Siju Shabazz(KO), Ismail Sillakh (KO).


Artur can fight and end a fight quickly but I agree that Gvozdyk is technically the better boxer. The pressure is on Canelo, now he jumped up at 175 lbs.
He's a plodder that can punch, with a dodgy chin.
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Nondescript wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 13:52
apollo creed wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 12:25

Beterbiev is not a walk in the park. Artur Beterbiev had several hundred fights in amateurs and lost only in a few of them. He has never been in knockdown. Many of his fights he won by KO and early stoppages. He has been nominated as P4P #1 in 2010 by AIBA. During his amateur career he won against many notable fighters, including: Yunier Dorticos, Michael Hunter, Oleksandr Gvozdyk(TKO), Thabiso Mchunu(TKO), Sergei Kovalev, Imre Szello, Egor Mekhontsev, Evgeny Makarenko, Abbos Atoev, Mario Heredia(TKO), Siju Shabazz(KO), Ismail Sillakh (KO).


Artur can fight and end a fight quickly but I agree that Gvozdyk is technically the better boxer. The pressure is on Canelo, now he jumped up at 175 lbs.
He's a plodder that can punch, with a dodgy chin.
Yep, and he sticks his chin right out there when he throws. He has a puncher's chance here and vs pretty much anyone, but Gvo has power too plus better skills.
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margaret thatcher wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 14:07
Nondescript wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 13:52

He's a plodder that can punch, with a dodgy chin.
Yep, and he sticks his chin right out there when he throws. He has a puncher's chance here and vs pretty much anyone, but Gvo has power too plus better skills.
His balance is not great either.
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apollo creed wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 12:25
Onetimeonly wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 09:55 Gvodzyk is going to clown beterbiev and no canelo is not fighting him.
Beterbiev is not a walk in the park. Artur Beterbiev had several hundred fights in amateurs and lost only in a few of them. He has never been in knockdown. Many of his fights he won by KO and early stoppages. He has been nominated as P4P #1 in 2010 by AIBA. During his amateur career he won against many notable fighters, including: Yunier Dorticos, Michael Hunter, Oleksandr Gvozdyk(TKO), Thabiso Mchunu(TKO), Sergei Kovalev, Imre Szello, Egor Mekhontsev, Evgeny Makarenko, Abbos Atoev, Mario Heredia(TKO), Siju Shabazz(KO), Ismail Sillakh (KO).


Artur can fight and end a fight quickly but I agree that Gvozdyk is technically the better boxer. The pressure is on Canelo, now he jumped up at 175 lbs.
Beterbiev is very strong physically and he punches very hard. Nothing else about him is remotely world class. He's getting his ass kicked.
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No. He will say that they are "no names". That is a nice excuse used by divas to avoid high risk challenge.
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boxing_rocks wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 20:46 No. He will say that they are "no names". That is a nice excuse used by divas to avoid high risk challenge.
Damn girl, you're truly a bitter ex.
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boxing_rocks wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 20:46 No. He will say that they are "no names". That is a nice excuse used by divas to avoid high risk challenge.
Ya, like he's doing right now by facing Kovalev instead of Derevyanchenko
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margaret thatcher wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 20:52
boxing_rocks wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 20:46 No. He will say that they are "no names". That is a nice excuse used by divas to avoid high risk challenge.
Ya, like he's doing right now by facing Kovalev instead of Derevyanchenko
Kovalev is a soft champ. They obviously think that he is ripe enough for picking.
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boxing_rocks wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 22:39
margaret thatcher wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 20:52

Ya, like he's doing right now by facing Kovalev instead of Derevyanchenko
Kovalev is a soft champ. They obviously think that he is ripe enough for picking.
Be reasonable. Kovalev is still arguably top three in the world (LHW). Maybe he is ripe for the picking but that's because Canelo is that good or believes he is that good. Kovalev is a great scalp for anyone in the LHW division, let alone a SW or MW.

There's something I don't like about Canelo but you can't deny this is a good, interesting fight.
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boxing_rocks wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 20:46 No. He will say that they are "no names". That is a nice excuse used by divas to avoid high risk challenge.
That would be silly, since the winner would be the lineal lhw champion.
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margaret thatcher wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 20:52
boxing_rocks wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 20:46 No. He will say that they are "no names". That is a nice excuse used by divas to avoid high risk challenge.
Ya, like he's doing right now by facing Kovalev instead of Derevyanchenko
Kovalev has a glass old body and he has already lost a few times. Canelo is gonna wear him down.
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boxing_rocks wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 22:39
margaret thatcher wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 20:52

Ya, like he's doing right now by facing Kovalev instead of Derevyanchenko
Kovalev is a soft champ. They obviously think that he is ripe enough for picking.
Yup. It's a calculated risk.
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lazboy wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 23:49
boxing_rocks wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 22:39
Kovalev is a soft champ. They obviously think that he is ripe enough for picking.
Be reasonable. Kovalev is still arguably top three in the world (LHW). Maybe he is ripe for the picking but that's because Canelo is that good or believes he is that good. Kovalev is a great scalp for anyone in the LHW division, let alone a SW or MW.

There's something I don't like about Canelo but you can't deny this is a good, interesting fight.
Indeed but Kova is vulnerable atm. He's not a fresh fighter anymore. And yeah it's an interesting fight.
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