The 5 Fights you wish would've gone different

[IKSRTFO]

Interesting take considering he never came particularly close to Marciano's record, and would've lost to Holyfield ANY time they ever fought.

The only reason Mike Tyson didnt get there is because of his handlers and how he conducted his life. Mike was only 13 fights away from getting to Marciano's record but was well passed his best when he met Douglas. After Douglas he beat another 8 before meeting Holyfield in 1996 and was a shell of his former self, but was still good enough to rack up wins fighting the likes of Botha and Norris level fighters. It would have been interesting to have seen Holyfield jump up to heavyweight in 1998 time when he was Cruiserweight champion as often boxers do and challenge for titles without even having a fight at the higher weight before challenging for the title. I think the Tyson who beat Spinks in 88 would have stopped Holyfield. The 2 met when Mike was well passed his best and Holyfield was top of his game. Yes handled correctly Tyson would have done it. He was the best heavyweight in our generation. I dont buy he couldnt have beaten the yesteryear boxers such as Ali etc.


While im spinning Herol Graham v Julian Jackson was another fight I wish had gone differently. Jackson was a fearsome puncher but Graham had him sussed.

Doubt Tyson would've gotten through those 13 fights on the top level considering what was beginning to happen in the HW division. No way he was avoiding Holyfield for 13 more fights. As a matter of fact, the Holyfield fight would've happened had he beaten Douglas. Then there's Riddick Bowe, Morrison, Briggs, Lewis, Mccall. Tyson would've gotten through many of them, but not all of them. There's a reason his handlers were never interested in a Foreman fight.

[Ilya Muromets]

"Haters"? "Every one of his fights"? "Fg idiots"? Rudi Lubbers?

Some of these otherwise more or less normal sounding posters seem to become hysterical if you pose valid questions about their Ali demigod!

Ali is not one of my 100 favorite fighters.

I just prefer facts to fiction.

The Rudi Lubbers comment was about a previous poster we had here who literally tried to pretend Ali should've lost practically ever fight he ever had. Even Rudi Lubbers...and you're reminding me of that dumbass with your comments.

Jerk.

[Tony1244]

But but but, the footage was edited to cut out the 3 hour break Ali/Clay got !!

Had to be edited for the 3 hours it took to recover Clay who was knocked into the Atlantic Ocean.

[oogiebe]

But but but, the footage was edited to cut out the 3 hour break Ali/Clay got !!

Had to be edited for the 3 hours it took to recover Clay who was knocked into the Atlantic Ocean.

I heard he was picked up by a russian submarine.

[Tony1244]

Had to be edited for the 3 hours it took to recover Clay who was knocked into the Atlantic Ocean.

I heard he was picked up by a russian submarine.

I'm glad there was a 1966 rematch, albeit ignored by Ali haters. Otherwise they'd say Cooper was still champion.

[oogiebe]

I heard he was picked up by a russian submarine.

I'm glad there was a 1966 rematch, albeit ignored by Ali haters. Otherwise they'd say Cooper was still champion.

I've seen that fight a hundred times. You can see Ali in the corner asking "is it over?" He was decked hard and really hurt. It's uncanny how he recovered so fast. He was completely fine the subsequent round. Aside from that punch, it was all Ali.

[Tony1244]

I'm glad there was a 1966 rematch, albeit ignored by Ali haters. Otherwise they'd say Cooper was still champion.

I've seen that fight a hundred times. You can see Ali in the corner asking "is it over?" He was decked hard and really hurt. It's uncanny how he recovered so fast. He was completely fine the subsequent round. Aside from that punch, it was all Ali.

Are you sure, that is what he asked? Even if he did ask that, he seemed fine. He got up on the count of 4, right? He did walk back to his corner, unassisted, right? I do remember that he stood up briefly between rounds, I'd assume to test his legs.

My "rights" were not to be a smart ass, but the way I remember it. I humbly say my memory isn't always 100% keen that's why I asked.

[oogiebe]

I've seen that fight a hundred times. You can see Ali in the corner asking "is it over?" He was decked hard and really hurt. It's uncanny how he recovered so fast. He was completely fine the subsequent round. Aside from that punch, it was all Ali.

Are you sure, that is what he asked? Even if he did ask that, he seemed fine. He got up on the count of 4, right? He did walk back to his corner, unassisted, right? I do remember that he stood up briefly between rounds, I'd assume to test his legs.

My "rights" were not to be a smart ass, but the way I remember it. I humbly say my memory isn't always 100% keen that's why I asked.

There are so many vids on that fight. You can clearly see him ask the question after given smelling salts in the corner.

[oogiebe]

Are you sure, that is what he asked? Even if he did ask that, he seemed fine. He got up on the count of 4, right? He did walk back to his corner, unassisted, right? I do remember that he stood up briefly between rounds, I'd assume to test his legs.

My "rights" were not to be a smart ass, but the way I remember it. I humbly say my memory isn't always 100% keen that's why I asked.

There are so many vids on that fight. You can clearly see him ask the question after given smelling salts in the corner.

Here it is at the time of the KD. Watch carefully.

[Tony1244]

I've heard different versions of how long the break was between rounds. What says you?

[ewenhay]

Yeah but was Cooper's cut worse than Klitschko or Fury's?

In seriousness he got up at 4, stopped him in the next round on the cut then gave him a rematch later and beat him again. I don't see the problem.

[gilgamesh]

I've heard different versions of how long the break was between rounds. What says you?

My grandpa's friend's cousin said that Ali was allowed to go home, and sleep it off for a day or two, and the video was edited so that it would be seamless

[gilgamesh]

Yeah but was Cooper's cut worse than Klitschko or Fury's?

In seriousness he got up at 4, stopped him in the next round on the cut then gave him a rematch later and beat him again. I don't see the problem.

Interestingly. There was a guy that was stopped by Thomas Mattice this very weekend on ShoBox as a result of a cut, and THAT cut wasn't as bad as Fury's. I found that interesting. To see a fight on TV stopped by a cut a week later that wasn't as severe as the cut from the previous week

[margaret thatcher]

I'd say the vast majority of cuts that lead to a stoppage look not as bad as Fury's

[margaret thatcher]

Yeah but was Cooper's cut worse than Klitschko or Fury's?

In seriousness he got up at 4, stopped him in the next round on the cut then gave him a rematch later and beat him again. I don't see the problem.

The problem is that Moo wasn't European enough for some

[Tony1244]

IF the video I just watched wasn't edited, he only got 5 extra seconds.

[ewenhay]

Yeah but was Cooper's cut worse than Klitschko or Fury's?

In seriousness he got up at 4, stopped him in the next round on the cut then gave him a rematch later and beat him again. I don't see the problem.

Interestingly. There was a guy that was stopped by Thomas Mattice this very weekend on ShoBox as a result of a cut, and THAT cut wasn't as bad as Fury's. I found that interesting. To see a fight on TV stopped by a cut a week later that wasn't as severe as the cut from the previous week

Aye its a grey area. Down to the individual doctor and referee who will have different interpretations (and exposed to different pressures).

The Fury cut was a bad looking one but it was actually mainly on the brow and he wasn't getting hit on it too much so it didn't get worse. I've seen other cuts that are mainly on the eyelid and they get stopped more often.

Saying that, I don't think anyone could have complained if the fight was stopped on the cut.

[margaret thatcher]

Funny enough Fury had an eyelid cut too

[ewenhay]

Funny enough Fury had an eyelid cut too

He did but that was a much smaller cut.

[oogiebe]

Yeah but was Cooper's cut worse than Klitschko or Fury's?

In seriousness he got up at 4, stopped him in the next round on the cut then gave him a rematch later and beat him again. I don't see the problem.

Interestingly. There was a guy that was stopped by Thomas Mattice this very weekend on ShoBox as a result of a cut, and THAT cut wasn't as bad as Fury's. I found that interesting. To see a fight on TV stopped by a cut a week later that wasn't as severe as the cut from the previous week

I thought cuts stopped fights when blood in the eye limited a fighter's vision.

[Tony1244]

Interestingly. There was a guy that was stopped by Thomas Mattice this very weekend on ShoBox as a result of a cut, and THAT cut wasn't as bad as Fury's. I found that interesting. To see a fight on TV stopped by a cut a week later that wasn't as severe as the cut from the previous week

I thought cuts stopped fights when blood in the eye limited a fighter's vision.

Or a worry about permanent damage.

[oogiebe]

I thought cuts stopped fights when blood in the eye limited a fighter's vision.

Or a worry about permanent damage.

I would doubt very much that the ring doctor would be able to tell unless it's really obvious. Like a dangling eyeball or something or bone showing. I think not seeing the punches coming would be the majority of cut stoppages.

[Tony1244]

Or a worry about permanent damage.

I would doubt very much that the ring doctor would be able to tell unless it's really obvious. Like a dangling eyeball or something or bone showing. I think not seeing the punches coming would be the majority of cut stoppages.

I've read that cuts under the eyebrow but above the eye are considered far more dangerous.

[oogiebe]

I would doubt very much that the ring doctor would be able to tell unless it's really obvious. Like a dangling eyeball or something or bone showing. I think not seeing the punches coming would be the majority of cut stoppages.

I've read that cuts under the eyebrow but above the eye are considered far more dangerous.

Makes sense. It's closer to the actual eye with less bone structure or non at all. Vitali's was on his eyelid if I remember correctly. It was gruesome. There are some posters who are cutsmen who have a really great thread in British & Irish.

[oogiebe]

I've read that cuts under the eyebrow but above the eye are considered far more dangerous.

Makes sense. It's closer to the actual eye with less bone structure or non at all. Vitali's was on his eyelid if I remember correctly. It was gruesome. There are some posters who are cutsmen who have a really great thread in British & Irish.

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