Canelo Alvarez vs. Sergey Kovalev - November 2, 2019

[Enlightened-One]

I’m confident the Russian could weigh approaching 210lbs between bouts

In one of interviews a few years ago, Kovalev said that he is losing 8-9 kilos in a camp which is only around 20 lbs, so your "confidence" isn't worth much.

You need to study maths again. Because if Kovalev’s rehydration ring weight is 190lbs, coupled with your assertion that he has to lose 20lbs during the course of his training camp, then his out-of-competition weight must be in the region of 210lbs.

190 + 20 = 210

Rehydration ring-weight is not the same as out-of-competition weight.

It doesn’t matter what you think, I’ve already established and provided several examples of fighters that weigh 30 to 40lbs more between fights than the official limits of their respective weight classes.

It would be extremely naïve to believe this not to be the case for many fighters, including Krusher!

[boxing_rocks]

In one of interviews a few years ago, Kovalev said that he is losing 8-9 kilos in a camp which is only around 20 lbs, so your "confidence" isn't worth much.

You need to study maths again. Because if Kovalev’s rehydration ring weight is 190lbs, coupled with your assertion that he has to lose 20lbs during the course of his training camp, then his out-of-competition weight must be in the region of 210lbs.

190 + 20 = 210

Rehydration ring-weight is not the same as out-of-competition weight.

It doesn’t matter what you think, I’ve already established and provided several examples of fighters that weigh 30 to 40lbs more between fights than the official limits of their respective weight classes.

It would be extremely naïve to believe this not to be the case for many fighters, including Krusher!

You are an idiot. Weight cut in a camp brings him to 175, so he comes (or at least came) to a camp at 195.

[Enlightened-One]

You need to study maths again. Because if Kovalev’s rehydration ring weight is 190lbs, coupled with your assertion that he has to lose 20lbs during the course of his training camp, then his out-of-competition weight must be in the region of 210lbs.

190 + 20 = 210

Rehydration ring-weight is not the same as out-of-competition weight.

It doesn’t matter what you think, I’ve already established and provided several examples of fighters that weigh 30 to 40lbs more between fights than the official limits of their respective weight classes.

It would be extremely naïve to believe this not to be the case for many fighters, including Krusher!

You are an idiot. Weight cut in a camp brings him to 175, so he comes (or at least came) to a camp at 195.

His rehydrated ring weight come fight night is roughly 190lbs (i.e. according to HBO he was 189lbs when he entered the ring to face Jean Pascal).

He manages to achieve the official 175lbs weight limit the day prior mainly by draining his body of fluid (water), hence the reason why the terms rehydrated/dehydrated are often used immediately preceding and immediately after the official weigh-ins.

I’ve already provided examples of super-lightweights weighing 177lbs between bouts. A welterweight that weighed 183lbs the week after his fight at 143lbs. And also an example of a 154lb-er that weighs as much as 190lbs six weeks after his bouts.

For god’s sake, you’ve even commented on threads that contained out-of-competition photos of a bloated GGG that was clearly weighing more than his customary 173-175lbs fight night weight!

Why can’t you comprehend the differences between “rehydrated fight night ring weight” and “out-of-competition weight”?

Sergey Kovalev doesn’t walk around between fights (prior to commencing training camps) always weighing his 190lbs ring weight. It’s naïve to the point of idiotic to believe he does, especially considering he’s supposed to be a heavy drinker (that previously admitted to eating lots of fried food)!

Anyway, what’s the result of this calculation?

190 + 20 =?

[ewenhay]

When fighters talk about the weight they need to cut they are generally talking about the weight required to pass the scales prior to the fight.

Not their rehydration weight at the point of entering the ring.

Just saying........

[Enlightened-One]

When fighters talk about the weight they need to cut they are generally talking about the weight required to pass the scales prior to the fight.

Not their rehydration weight at the point of entering the ring.

Just saying........

Fighters are generally overweight at the start of their training camps.

They gradually lose weight to get to the point where they can safely perform acute weight cut measures to dehydrate themselves a few days prior to having to achieve the official weight of their chosen weight class.

Fighters then immediately rehydrate themselves during the 24+ hours between the official weigh-ins and fight night. This weight gain is usually in the region of anything between 10lbs to 20lbs.

It’s extremely rare for any fighter to remain at their rehydrated fight night ring weight all-year-round. It simply doesn’t happen. It’s naïve to think it does.

So if a heavy drinking fried food eating Sergey Kovalev usually enters the ring weighing 190lbs, he’ll probably weigh in the region of 210lbs between fights.

[ewenhay]

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[boxing_rocks]

After Mikhalkin fight, Kova said that he is planning to gain only 5-6 kilos between fights instead of 8-9.

[margaret thatcher]

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[ewenhay]

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[oogiebe]

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[Jeff_lacy_ko]

This fight is tough to figure out. Kovalev is clearly past his best. Hes 4-3 in his last 7 fights, been stopped twice and hurt badly by yarde. But he is a technician and still packs a big punch.

Canelo hasnt really shown power in big fights. He dropped trout once, but never had Jacob's, Lara, cotto or ggg in any trouble at 160/155. Can he hurt kovalev? Maybe to the body.

My guess is he fights off the back foot like he did the first ggg fight and throws combos to try and swing rounds in spurts. I dont think he trades much and if he can hurt kovalev to the body hes in business

Kovalev will work his jab well and cut the ring off. If he can hurt canelo hes golden. If he cant hes headed for a close decision loss most likely

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[Ruthless-RKO]

[Ron C]

4 more days! I’m super excited for this

[Ruthless-RKO]

4 more days! I’m super excited for this

Feels like it’s come so quick as well.

[squiggy]

I can't stand Canelo, but I also have trouble picturing what it'd even look like to see him stopped. I think they both hurt each other but the fight goes the distance.

As said previously, he's never taken punches from a LHW, let alone one who is a known puncher. I think the jab will be key, if kovalev finds a home for it early, Canelo is in trouble. Its worth remembering Canelo was very wary of GGGs power,

I mean, being wary is a lot different from getting stopped.

[margaret thatcher]

At what point do we think Canelo could be hurt/stopped/dropped., Could cruisers do it? Is he just some freak chin who cant be dented?

[boxing_rocks]

At what point do we think Canelo could be hurt/stopped/dropped., Could cruisers do it? Is he just some freak chin who cant be dented?

LHWs like Kovalev and Beterbiev can definitely badly hurt and stop Canelo. Canelo will use his body movement to avoid getting hit. He will fight like in the first GGG fight, likely with even more focus on defense, not like in the second GGG fight.

[lazboy]

At what point do we think Canelo could be hurt/stopped/dropped., Could cruisers do it? Is he just some freak chin who cant be dented?

LHWs like Kovalev and Beterbiev can definitely badly hurt and stop Canelo. Canelo will use his body movement to avoid getting hit. He will fight like in the first GGG fight, likely with even more focus on defense, not like in the second GGG fight.

Then again Kovalev isn’t an inside fighter. Canelo would be faster and more skilful inside. The issue for Canelo would be getting inside. Does he wait for Kovalev to punch and miss or does he press the action like he did against Jacobs and Canelo?

[boxing_rocks]

LHWs like Kovalev and Beterbiev can definitely badly hurt and stop Canelo. Canelo will use his body movement to avoid getting hit. He will fight like in the first GGG fight, likely with even more focus on defense, not like in the second GGG fight.

Then again Kovalev isn’t an inside fighter. Canelo would be faster and more skilful inside. The issue for Canelo would be getting inside. Does he wait for Kovalev to punch and miss or does he press the action like he did against Jacobs and Canelo?

I doubt he will be able to get inside while Kovalev is fresh. The first 3-4 rounds will be very dangerous for Canelo. Kovalev needs to shift more jabs to the body where he will have a better landing rate, making Canelo more tentative.

[Enlightened-One]

Am I alone in recalling the fact that it’s been almost four years since Sergey Kovalev actually stopped an experienced genuine world-class 175lb-er?

The likes of Anthony Yarde, Igor Mikhalkin and Vyacheslav Shabranskyy definitely weren’t experienced and nor were any of them considered proven world-class operators at the time they shared the ring with Kovalev.

So why are people believing that the Russian stands an excellent chance of stopping the Mexican this weekend?

The biggest (and possibly the only) threat the Krusher poses is his marvellous jab, which will gradually become less effective as the fight wears on, since Sergey has been known to fade through the middle rounds prior to eventually finding a second wind during the late stages of bouts.

Time doesn’t stand still and the cold hard objective truth of reality is that the devastating and destructive version of the 2013-2015 Krusher Kovalev has gone forever. And it’s wishful thinking to expect that iteration to make a one-off return this weekend.

[lazboy]

Who are you actually talking to? Most people have picked a Canelo win in the prediction game.

Canelos defence, chin and a faded Kovalev make it unlikely he’ll (Canelo) be stopped.

[Enlightened-One]

Who are you actually talking to? Most people have picked a Canelo win in the prediction game.

Canelos defence, chin and a faded Kovalev make it unlikely he’ll (Canelo) be stopped.

I was addressing comments submitted in the immediately preceding post, which alleged:

• "Kovalev can definitely badly hurt and stop Canelo"

• "The first 3-4 rounds will be very dangerous for Canelo"

Also, roughly 30% of the votes submitted to the poll are predicting a victory for Krusher by way of stoppage.

I’m not being derogatory, but did you not notice these things? It's printed there in black and white for anyone to see.

[Enlightened-One]

Interesting facts to consider:

• Andre Ward stopped Sergey Kovalev in the eighth round of their rematch. And from rounds six though to nine, the SOG also enjoyed considerable success during their first bout.

• Eleider Alvarez surpassed that feat by stopping the Russian in the seventh round.

• And let’s not forget that the novice and unproven bodybuilder, Anthony Yarde, almost defied the betting odds when he badly hurt the Krusher in the eighth round of his bout against the Russian.

• Finally, I’ve read that Darnell Boone allegedly dropped Krusher during the seventh round of their first fight.

Therefore, if you’re watching the Kovalev-Canelo bout this weekend, I’d advise you to refrain from going to the toilet or performing any sort of activity that draws your attention away from the TV during rounds seven and eight.

[lazboy]

Who are you actually talking to? Most people have picked a Canelo win in the prediction game.

Canelos defence, chin and a faded Kovalev make it unlikely he’ll (Canelo) be stopped.

I was addressing comments submitted in the immediately preceding post, which alleged:

• "Kovalev can definitely badly hurt and stop Canelo"

• "The first 3-4 rounds will be very dangerous for Canelo"

Also, roughly 30% of the votes submitted to the poll are predicting a victory for Krusher by way of stoppage.

I’m not being derogatory, but did you not notice these things? It's printed there in black and white for anyone to see.

Very strange. You’re aware that only 30% of the votes are for a Kovalev stoppage yet it seemed like you had discovered that a stoppage was unlikely? Or have I misinterpreted your initial comment?

[Enlightened-One]

Very strange. You’re aware that only 30% of the votes are for a Kovalev stoppage yet it seemed like you had discovered that a stoppage was unlikely? Or have I misinterpreted your initial comment?

Could you please elaborate? I think you may have misinterpreted my initial comments.

My interpretation of the results of the voting poll is that the outcome Canelo-Kovalev bout is pretty much considered a 50-50 fight, with the Mexican being regarded as the favourite by only the slightest of margins (i.e. 52% vs. 47%).

Also, it seems that more people are convinced that Kovalev wins by stoppage than they are about a Canelo win by decision or KO (i.e. 30% vs. 26%), making it the most popular choice of the available polling options.