Hardest Punchers

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Re: Hardest Punchers

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Ko% is a garbage stat. Look at vitali and Ike Williams
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AntonioMartin wrote: 12 Nov 2019, 18:08
oogiebe wrote: 12 Nov 2019, 15:48
Did I miss seeing Sonny Liston?
TBH Liston doesn't impress me as much. His ko percentage was 75 percent I think, very good but, I guess his power tends to be over rated among us. Although George Foreman did attest to his power so I don't know.

Also his connections are suspicious to me, how many of his opponents were told to lay down???
Most of them were forced to lie down. Sonny's power was very real
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dr_devious wrote: 12 Nov 2019, 18:13
AntonioMartin wrote: 12 Nov 2019, 18:08

TBH Liston doesn't impress me as much. His ko percentage was 75 percent I think, very good but, I guess his power tends to be over rated among us. Although George Foreman did attest to his power so I don't know.

Also his connections are suspicious to me, how many of his opponents were told to lay down???
Most of them were forced to lie down. Sonny's power was very real
:TU:
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Re: Hardest Punchers

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dr_devious wrote: 12 Nov 2019, 18:13
AntonioMartin wrote: 12 Nov 2019, 18:08

TBH Liston doesn't impress me as much. His ko percentage was 75 percent I think, very good but, I guess his power tends to be over rated among us. Although George Foreman did attest to his power so I don't know.

Also his connections are suspicious to me, how many of his opponents were told to lay down???
Most of them were forced to lie down. Sonny's power was very real
:TU:
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Re: Hardest Punchers

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AntonioMartin wrote: 11 Nov 2019, 19:55 I think some to consider should be/:

The usual suspects as in:
Earnie Shavers
Wilfredo bazooka Gomez
Archie Moore
Julian Jackson
Jack Dempsey
Mike Tyson
Roberto Duran
Carlos Zarate
Sugar Ray Robinson
Rocky Marciano
John The Beast Mugabi
Thomas Hearns
Julio Cesar Chavez Sr.
George Foreman
Edwin Valero

Then
Gerry Cooney
GGG
Canelo
Tony Zale
Henry Armstrong
Earl Hargrove
Alfonso Zamora
Eder Jofre
Bob Foster
Battling Torres
My old time personal friend Juan Carazo
Marvelous Marvin Hagler
Fulgencio Obelmejias
Gervonta Davis
Erik Morales
Acelino Freitas
Jack Johnson
Jorge Castro
Felix Trinidad
Frank Bruno
Aaron Pryor
Ruben Olivares
Danny Lopez
Jose Cuevas
Fritzie Zivic
Sugar Ramos
Jimmy Wilde
Ron Lyle
Victor Callejas
Alexis Arguello
Bobby Chacon
Boom Boom Mancini
Edwin Rosario
Jose Luis Ramirez

All have to be in the league...
Some good names on this list.
I would take out Zivic, Obelmejuas, Jack Johnson, Bruno, Callejas, and Hargrave. Move down Duran and Valero a level. Gervanta Davis and Acelino Frietas are iffy.

Would put in Joe Louis, Bob Fitzsimmons, Max Baer, Ray Leonard, Lennox Lewis, and Archie Moore. I'm sure there are many others that could be added.
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The very old timers Fitzsimmons and Ketchel were top notch punchers in their day
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Ambling Alp II wrote: 13 Nov 2019, 12:02
AntonioMartin wrote: 11 Nov 2019, 19:55 I think some to consider should be/:

The usual suspects as in:
Earnie Shavers
Wilfredo bazooka Gomez
Archie Moore
Julian Jackson
Jack Dempsey
Mike Tyson
Roberto Duran
Carlos Zarate
Sugar Ray Robinson
Rocky Marciano
John The Beast Mugabi
Thomas Hearns
Julio Cesar Chavez Sr.
George Foreman
Edwin Valero

Then
Gerry Cooney
GGG
Canelo
Tony Zale
Henry Armstrong
Earl Hargrove
Alfonso Zamora
Eder Jofre
Bob Foster
Battling Torres
My old time personal friend Juan Carazo
Marvelous Marvin Hagler
Fulgencio Obelmejias
Gervonta Davis
Erik Morales
Acelino Freitas
Jack Johnson
Jorge Castro
Felix Trinidad
Frank Bruno
Aaron Pryor
Ruben Olivares
Danny Lopez
Jose Cuevas
Fritzie Zivic
Sugar Ramos
Jimmy Wilde
Ron Lyle
Victor Callejas
Alexis Arguello
Bobby Chacon
Boom Boom Mancini
Edwin Rosario
Jose Luis Ramirez

All have to be in the league...
Some good names on this list.
I would take out Zivic, Obelmejuas, Jack Johnson, Bruno, Callejas, and Hargrave. Move down Duran and Valero a level. Gervanta Davis and Acelino Frietas are iffy.

Would put in Joe Louis, Bob Fitzsimmons, Max Baer, Ray Leonard, Lennox Lewis, and Archie Moore. I'm sure there are many others that could be added.
Can't believe I forgot Joe Louis :doh: :lol: !!! Top 20 all time defo. Sugar Ray Leonard, love the guy, God bless him but I left him out on purpose, 25 ko's out of 36 wins like Sonny Liston very very good but not top notch IMO> Max Baer another overlook by my part. Lennox is arguable, he could hit for sure but he was also an excellent stylist soo......he's arguable. And I had Archie in my top list... :TU:
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Re: Hardest Punchers

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AntonioMartin wrote: 13 Nov 2019, 19:53
Ambling Alp II wrote: 13 Nov 2019, 12:02

Some good names on this list.
I would take out Zivic, Obelmejuas, Jack Johnson, Bruno, Callejas, and Hargrave. Move down Duran and Valero a level. Gervanta Davis and Acelino Frietas are iffy.

Would put in Joe Louis, Bob Fitzsimmons, Max Baer, Ray Leonard, Lennox Lewis, and Archie Moore. I'm sure there are many others that could be added.
Can't believe I forgot Joe Louis :doh: :lol: !!! Top 20 all time defo. Sugar Ray Leonard, love the guy, God bless him but I left him out on purpose, 25 ko's out of 36 wins like Sonny Liston very very good but not top notch IMO> Max Baer another overlook by my part. Lennox is arguable, he could hit for sure but he was also an excellent stylist soo......he's arguable. And I had Archie in my top list... :TU:
You also forgot one of the all-time greatest punchers pound per pound in the great Sandy Saddler. Check out his record. Unbelievable puncher!

I think Danny Lopez should be in tier one. What a puncher he was.
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The great Jimmy Wilde should be in tier one, also.
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Mamadou Thiam,In Chul Baek,Chong Pal Park,Tommy Morrison,Duane Bobick,Mac Foster,Alex Stewart,David Tua,Rafael Limon,Bobby Chacon,Nigel Benn,Gerald McClellan,Ike Quartey,Jose Luis Ramirez,Khaosai Galaxy,Nana Yaw Konadu,Kostya Tszyu,Rafael Marquez.
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And...Ricardo Lopez!!!
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Woldemar wrote: 14 Nov 2019, 00:54 Alex Stewart
Decent KO % but never stopped anyone of note.
Ambling Alp II
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Re: Hardest Punchers

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Yet another example of how KO% can be deceiving. You have to take into the quality of competition.
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Ambling Alp II wrote: 15 Nov 2019, 14:53 Yet another example of how KO% can be deceiving. You have to take into the quality of competition.
Through the years it's a pretty high percentage of posters using it as gospel that don't even know how to properly calculate it.
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Peter Maher.
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