Fury is the best HW since Lewis

[Finkel]

I guess it could be considered a rabbit punch in a similar fashion to the one that caused the first knock down in the first fight.

Then, Fury was rolling under Wilder's punches and Wilder was punching down at Fury,l. Except here, Wilder was straight up turning his head away from Fury as he threw his jab, after Fury's left landed.

Personally after watching the video playback slowed down I think the other problem was the shot didn't actually land cleanly on the back of Wilder's head: it hit him at best behind the ear, forced across his traps by Wilder's lead shoulder, then slid up to the back of his neck.

Bit of a stretch to suggest it was an illegal blow, as fighters get warned for turning their backs on opponents to stop this from happening. If it was on the back of the head, it was due to Wilder's own actions by turning away.

Edit: actually I'm probably being harsh on Wilder, the momentum of Fury's left may have caused wilder to turn his head, so I shouldn't acscribe intent to turn away to Wilder in such a fast exchange. I can't say for certain, it was probably more instinctive. But the main point stands.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Talk is cheap. He’s not the best heavyweight since Lewis until he beats Joshua.

It’s arguable whether he’s even the best at this point. Some might say Wilder is a better win than any AJ has (although I think AJ overcoming a GREAT performance by Wlad is possibly better) but Joshua has the better body of work overall.

[lazboy]

Talk is cheap. He’s not the best heavyweight since Lewis until he beats Joshua.

It’s arguable whether he’s even the best at this point. Some might say Wilder is a better win than any AJ has (although I think AJ overcoming a GREAT performance by Wlad is possibly better)

[tigermoth87]

Fury would beat most heavyweights of the past. He uses his weight and size so well, but moves like a much smaller guy.

The only guys who would stand a chance are Lennox and Vitali.

No chance would the 70s and 80s guys cope with someone as big, heavy and strong as Fury.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Talk is cheap. He’s not the best heavyweight since Lewis until he beats Joshua.

It’s arguable whether he’s even the best at this point. Some might say Wilder is a better win than any AJ has (although I think AJ overcoming a GREAT performance by Wlad is possibly better)

What’s funny there, champ?

[lazboy]

What’s funny there, champ?

You using Wlad as an example of why AJs resume is better than Fury’s.

[Bard of Boxrec]

What’s funny there, champ?

You using Wlad as an example of why AJs resume is better than Fury’s.

This again. Yes, I think it was a better win than fury’s win over Wlad. And I didn’t say AJ’s record was better overall, I said it was debatable. He unquestionably has better depth on there.

[lazboy]

You using Wlad as an example of why AJs resume is better than Fury’s.

This again. Yes, I think it was a better win than fury’s win over Wlad. And I didn’t say AJ’s record was better overall, I said it was debatable. He unquestionably has better depth on there.

AJ has a strong resume at HW no question. I don’t get the Wlad comparison especially given Wlad was two years older. Anyway...to each their own.

[Bard of Boxrec]

This again. Yes, I think it was a better win than fury’s win over Wlad. And I didn’t say AJ’s record was better overall, I said it was debatable. He unquestionably has better depth on there.

AJ has a strong resume at HW no question. I don’t get the Wlad comparison especially given Wlad was two years older. Anyway...to each their own.

Doesn’t matter he was two years older, he put in a magnificent performance.

[Enlightened-One]

AJ has a strong resume at HW no question. I don’t get the Wlad comparison especially given Wlad was two years older. Anyway...to each their own.

Doesn’t matter he was two years older, he put in a magnificent performance.

A few facts, not opinions, to add to this interesting debate, which may compel certain individuals to change their opinion(s).

The 39-year-old world champion Wladimir Klitschko hadn’t tasted defeat for almost twelve years, engaging in his 28th world title bout (sixteen of them consecutive within a 7½ year period leading up to the fight) and was also defending his belt on home turf, when he faced and was comprehensively beaten by Tyson Fury.

When the 26½ year old version of Anthony Joshua successfully defended his world titles, by defeating a 41-year-old version of Wladimir Klitschko on his home turf in the UK, the Ukraine future Hall-of-Famer had been inactive for 1½ years, tasted defeat and dominated in his previous outing by Tyson Fury and hadn’t delivered a truly impressive performance for more than 2½ years.

Last weekend, Tyson Fury once again travelled overseas to challenge the champion on his home turf, when he successfully dethroned the unbeaten Deontay Wilder to capture the WBC world title, with ‘The Bronze Bomber’ competing in his twelfth consecutive world title fight within a five-year period.

Tyson Fury is the only opponent that Deontay Wilder has never knocked out.

Tyson Fury is the 1st fighter in heavyweight in history to end multiple 10+ title defence streaks.

Tyson Fury is only the second heavyweight boxer in the four-belt era to win all four heavyweight titles, with the first being Riddick Bowe.

For the record, I wholeheartedly believe that Tyson Fury isn’t the best heavyweight since Lennox Lewis, but facts should not be ignored either.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Doesn’t matter he was two years older, he put in a magnificent performance.

A few facts, not opinions, to add to this interesting debate, which may compel certain individuals to change their opinion(s).

The 39-year-old world champion Wladimir Klitschko hadn’t tasted defeat for almost twelve years, engaging in his 28th world title bout (sixteen of them consecutive within a 7½ year period leading up to the fight) and was also defending his belt on home turf, when he faced and was comprehensively beaten by Tyson Fury.

When the 26½ year old version of Anthony Joshua successfully defended his world titles, by defeating a 41-year-old version of Wladimir Klitschko on his home turf in the UK, the Ukraine future Hall-of-Famer had been inactive for 1½ years, tasted defeat and dominated in his previous outing by Tyson Fury and hadn’t delivered a truly impressive performance for more than 2½ years.

Last weekend, Tyson Fury once again travelled overseas to challenge the champion on his home turf, when he successfully dethroned the unbeaten Deontay Wilder to capture the WBC world title, with ‘The Bronze Bomber’ competing in his twelfth consecutive world title fight within a five-year period.

Tyson Fury is the only opponent that Deontay Wilder has never knocked out.

Tyson Fury is the 1st fighter in heavyweight in history to end multiple 10+ title defence streaks.

Tyson Fury is only the second heavyweight boxer in the four-belt era to win all four heavyweight titles, with the first being Riddick Bowe.

For the record, I wholeheartedly believe that Tyson Fury isn’t the best heavyweight since Lennox Lewis, but facts should not be ignored either.

You can Rain Man all you want, but here’s the great thing about that fight. All you need to do is use your eyes. You don’t need to worry about meaningless stats, or what other fighters looked like at the same age. You don’t need to fuss and fret about what Wlad ‘should’ have looked like, on account of you thinking he was shot.

All you have to be concerned about is what he ‘did’ look like. And anyone who understands boxing can see that he turned in a magnificent performance. Movement, sharpness, fluidity, heart, even variety! He showed it in spades. It was great. He proved a hell of a lot even in defeat. A lot more than his moribund effort vs Fury where he did his best impression of a Covent Garden street mime.

I know you’re now going to consider publishing another bible trying to make out that I’m equating Wlad with being in his prime, which I’m not. So don’t bother - I won’t read it. Have a lovely day

[Enlightened-One]

A few facts, not opinions, to add to this interesting debate, which may compel certain individuals to change their opinion(s).

The 39-year-old world champion Wladimir Klitschko hadn’t tasted defeat for almost twelve years, engaging in his 28th world title bout (sixteen of them consecutive within a 7½ year period leading up to the fight) and was also defending his belt on home turf, when he faced and was comprehensively beaten by Tyson Fury.

When the 26½ year old version of Anthony Joshua successfully defended his world titles, by defeating a 41-year-old version of Wladimir Klitschko on his home turf in the UK, the Ukraine future Hall-of-Famer had been inactive for 1½ years, tasted defeat and dominated in his previous outing by Tyson Fury and hadn’t delivered a truly impressive performance for more than 2½ years.

Last weekend, Tyson Fury once again travelled overseas to challenge the champion on his home turf, when he successfully dethroned the unbeaten Deontay Wilder to capture the WBC world title, with ‘The Bronze Bomber’ competing in his twelfth consecutive world title fight within a five-year period.

Tyson Fury is the only opponent that Deontay Wilder has never knocked out.

Tyson Fury is the 1st fighter in heavyweight in history to end multiple 10+ title defence streaks.

Tyson Fury is only the second heavyweight boxer in the four-belt era to win all four heavyweight titles, with the first being Riddick Bowe.

For the record, I wholeheartedly believe that Tyson Fury isn’t the best heavyweight since Lennox Lewis, but facts should not be ignored either.

You can Rain Man all you want, but here’s the great thing about that fight. All you need to do is use your eyes. You don’t need to worry about meaningless stats, or what other fighters looked like at the same age. You don’t need to fuss and fret about what Wlad ‘should’ have looked like, on account of you thinking he was shot.

All you have to be concerned about is what he ‘did’ look like. And anyone who understands boxing can see that he turned in a magnificent performance. Movement, sharpness, fluidity, heart, even variety! He showed it in spades. It was great. He proved a hell of a lot even in defeat. A lot more than his moribund effort vs Fury where he did his best impression of a Covent Garden street mime.

I know you’re now going to consider publishing another bible trying to make out that I’m equating Wlad with being in his prime, which I’m not. So don’t bother - I won’t read it. Have a lovely day

The problem is…. fighters don’t look good against Tyson Fury.... ever!

‘The Gypsy King’ makes everyone he faces look “bad”, which means the proverbial “eyeball test” isn’t an ideal barometer to gauge the competency of certain fighters at the time of their fights.

I’ve never considered myself a huge fan of Fury, because his fighting style is an acquired taste suitable for those with only niche palates, but his unorthodox technique and physical appearance is somehow incompatible with those he faces. He always makes his opponents look appalling!

Anyway, the facts are what they are! In terms of RING ratings, Fury’s career-best wins are better than Wilder and Joshua’s.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Fury does make everyone look bad but Wlad was just a no-show that evening. It’s my position that his performance vs Joshua was night and day, regardless of your mountains of facts that you think prove otherwise. The version of Wlad that fought AJ would have beaten Wilder IMO.

[Enlightened-One]

Fury does make everyone look bad but Wlad was just a no-show that evening. It’s my position that his performance vs Joshua was night and day, regardless of your mountains of facts that you think prove otherwise.

I disagree with this.

Because if Tyson Fury faces AJ, he'll make Anthony Joshua look really bad, in similar fashion to The Gypsy King's bout against Klitschko.

The version of Wlad that fought AJ would have beaten Wilder IMO.

I agree with this.

[Bard of Boxrec]

The version of Wlad that fought AJ would have beaten Wilder IMO.

I agree with this.

So if you agree with that you can’t really discredit the 41 year old version of Wlad can you?

[Enlightened-One]

I agree with this.

So if you agree with that you can’t really discredit the 41 year old version of Wlad can you?

Just because Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua both beat the veteran version of Wladimir Klitschko, it doesn’t mean that the very same iteration of the Ukraine future Hall-of-Famer wouldn’t be capable of beating Deontay Wilder.

Especially considering we’ve only just seen Tyson Fury employ the grab-hold-mount “Klitschko-clinch” tactic successfully against the one trick pony Deontay Wilder.

And for the record, I was deeply impressed by the 41-year-old version of Wladimir Klitschko, despite recognising the fact that he was far removed from his prime. It’s just that he wasn’t quite as good as the 39-year-old equivalent of the very same man, especially considering his inactivity and lack of form prior to facing AJ.

[boxing_rocks]

Ironic that you are posting this after trying to convince people that Fury landed a rabbit punch which secured him the win.

Rabbit punches are landing all the time due to opponents turning away or down. Wilder's punch which hurt Fury in the first fight (followed by left hook) was also on the back of the head, because Fury bent down. Rabbit punches like that can't be avoided, but maybe fighters should be given time to recover like after a low blow.

[Duran1970]

Fury would beat most heavyweights of the past. He uses his weight and size so well, but moves like a much smaller guy.

The only guys who would stand a chance are Lennox and Vitali.

No chance would the 70s and 80s guys cope with someone as big, heavy and strong as Fury.

You obviously need to study the game more

[Syntax Error]

It's a shame Fury lost his way and took 2.5 years out, because had he not done so, this topic arguably would not be up for debate.

I personally believe that he is the best HW since Lewis, but Joshua belongs in the conversation too.

[Onetimeonly]

Before the fight holyfield looked like he could be either of them now. 30 years ago, hed smash fury.

[Blodhemn]

Rewatched highlights of Fury-Wlad cos I'm not watching that whole damn thing but Fury's head movement was pretty damn on point and that alone had Wlad confused. Never thought Wlad had a boxing brain like Vitali. Even against McCline, it took Wlad 10 rounds to throw his hook. Think Fury probably beats any version of Wlad.

Fury vs Vitali would be nuts - 2 giant, awkward boxers with stamina and heavy arm punches.

[oogiebe]

Wasn't there a thread like this a few years back about AJ?

[margaret thatcher]

We have more evidence now. There were threads a few months back also saying AJ was totally finished after 1 loss and that he would get blown away by Ruiz again. Times change.

[oogiebe]

We have more evidence now. There were threads a few months back also saying AJ was totally finished after 1 loss and that he would get blown away by Ruiz again. Times change.

I see.

Frankly I don't think this era is especially 'golden.' Just very competitive at the top. Now with Fury's beat down of DW it's down to two. There can only be one! I'm excited to have an undisputed.

[Loki]

Already licked one Klit and would've humiliated Vitali

Idiot. Either prime Klitschko (especially Vitali) bashes Fury up.