David Haye to return ?

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If he's as injury-free as he claims, and he looks 210-15 these days, I actually believe he could perform better than his last four fights (at that weight). I think he could still beat quite a few heavies. But it's his pre-injury Chisora form he'd need to compete against the current champs, which leaves him in oldman Holyfield territory.

If he wants one more fight to try and end on a high there are several options for him, but none at the sharp end. Plus, there's a fair old chance he'd reacquire injuries in training.
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Grilling Machine wrote: 28 Apr 2020, 16:57 If he's as injury-free as he claims, and he looks 210-15 these days, I actually believe he could perform better than his last four fights (at that weight). I think he could still beat quite a few heavies. But it's his pre-injury Chisora form he'd need to compete against the current champs, which leaves him in oldman Holyfield territory.

If he wants one more fight to try and end on a high there are several options for him, but none at the sharp end. Plus, there's a fair old chance he'd reacquire injuries in training.
He’s injury free because he isn’t training for a fight, as soon as he done serious roadwork, sparring etc he would fall apart again
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Controversial wrote: 29 Apr 2020, 13:46
Grilling Machine wrote: 28 Apr 2020, 16:57 If he's as injury-free as he claims, and he looks 210-15 these days, I actually believe he could perform better than his last four fights (at that weight). I think he could still beat quite a few heavies. But it's his pre-injury Chisora form he'd need to compete against the current champs, which leaves him in oldman Holyfield territory.

If he wants one more fight to try and end on a high there are several options for him, but none at the sharp end. Plus, there's a fair old chance he'd reacquire injuries in training.
He’s injury free because he isn’t training for a fight, as soon as he done serious roadwork, sparring etc he would fall apart again
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tiny_acres wrote: 29 Apr 2020, 14:03
Controversial wrote: 29 Apr 2020, 13:46

He’s injury free because he isn’t training for a fight, as soon as he done serious roadwork, sparring etc he would fall apart again
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:OhYes:

He'd break up to a degree for sure, but I always felt he was too heavy post-2012. And he says he's not lifting as much, which is a big help in avoiding injuries. Trouble is, his heavyweight success relied on his power.

It'd be interesting to know what he was lifting at 210 versus 224, because I noted at the time how light-fisted he seemed (by his own standards) in training for the Bellew fights. The snap wasn't there any more.
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Grilling Machine wrote: 29 Apr 2020, 17:38 :OhYes:

He'd break up to some degree for sure, but I always felt he was too heavy post-2012. And he says he's not lifting as much, which is a big help in avoiding injuries. Trouble is, his heavyweight success relied on his power.

It'd be interesting to know what he was lifting at 210 versus 224, because I noted at the time how light-fisted he seemed (by his own standards) in training for the Bellew fights. The snap wasn't there any more.
He was definitely crocked going into both of those fights, that must've affected his ability to train properly and fight his normal style.
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I think what I'm saying — what I believe — is that he couldn't train as hard as he'd need to for a championship fight, but if he trained just moderately hard at 205 for a British-level fight, I think he'd have a chance of putting in his best performance since he beat Chis.
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Controversial wrote: 26 Apr 2020, 13:54 Apparently Haye is saying he is back to full fitness and would return to fight AJ or Fury :KO:
The man made out of balsa wood is finally injury free.😳🤯

Hallelujah! :roll:

I bet Joshua and Fury won't be losing any sleep over Haye's pronouncement, particularly Fury who probably lost the best part of a year of his career being pi$$ed about by Balsa Wood David and his cancellation after cancellation.
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Terminator666 wrote: 26 Apr 2020, 15:44 Fight a couple of guys ranked about 500 and then a world title shot🙄
He could maybe have that hotly anticipated 'superfight' that he promised us all in 2016 against the semi retired wheezing shouting machine that is Shannon Briggs.
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Who is the best hw he could beat still?
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Syntax Error wrote: 29 Apr 2020, 17:54
Terminator666 wrote: 26 Apr 2020, 15:44 Fight a couple of guys ranked about 500 and then a world title shot🙄
He could maybe have that hotly anticipated 'superfight' that he promised us all in 2016 against the semi retired wheezing shouting machine that is Shannon Briggs.
Talking of Briggs has he finally given up with the 'lets go champ' charade and following fighters around trying to get a big money fight?
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Briggs is supposed to be fighting in a bare knuckle fight later in the year.
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margaret thatcher wrote: 29 Apr 2020, 17:55 Who is the best hw he could beat still?
Good question!

Him v Price would be interesting. Though I think he'd lose. Gormley?
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margaret thatcher wrote: 29 Apr 2020, 17:55 Who is the best hw he could beat still?
Mark De Mori. :TU:
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Twinkle Toes wrote: 29 Apr 2020, 18:49 Briggs is supposed to be fighting in a bare knuckle fight later in the year.
That won't happen.

Briggs is a shouter, not a fighter.

He hasn't bothered to box in nearly four years, despite apparently being able to do so, so I'm willing to bet we won't see him bare knuckle fighting anytime soon.
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Always look forward to seeing Haye take a pasting.

He's a delusional dickhead.
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I got sick of Hayes antics years ago. I dislike Bellew but it was nice to see him beat Haye knowing Haye would have to live with Bellew gloating.

Haye started his career with the right attitude but at some point he mentally sold out to the mindset of just conning the fans for money. Whatever happened to make him become a slimy character was permanent. It's one thing to be a controversial character that people love to hate but it's another thing to be a pr*ck that people wish would f*ck off forever.
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TheLeprechaun wrote: 01 May 2020, 14:03 I got sick of Hayes antics years ago. I dislike Bellew but it was nice to see him beat Haye knowing Haye would have to live with Bellew gloating.

Haye started his career with the right attitude but at some point he mentally sold out to the mindset of just conning the fans for money. Whatever happened to make him become a slimy character was permanent. It's one thing to be a controversial character that people love to hate but it's another thing to be a pr*ck that people wish would f*ck off forever.
I agree with this.

I loved Haye as a CW: The way he rebounded from his loss to Thompson to become the unified champion was inspirational, but his HW career was cynical and horrible.

I'll give him his win over Valuev, but Valuev shouldn't even have been the champion, as 86 year old Holyfield arguably beat him; that's how poor he was.

The rest of Haye's HW career was a joke, particularly the Harrison farce, with not one world class scalp.

He was a con merchant at HW, as Tony Bellew successfully proved when he saw right through his 2016 farcical comeback.
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margaret thatcher wrote: 29 Apr 2020, 17:55Who is the best hw he could beat still?
Maybe Hrgovic, who likes to walk opponents down with a leaky defence.
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Might be, though I'm wondering if injuries have dented his power too, wasn't really hurting Bellew much at all even prior to the snap, and punch resistance/balance seem totally shot. He really has to win very early.
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I think we've thankfully seen the last of Haye inside a boxing ring.

He had his time, and was one of the best Cruiserweight Champions of all time. He's almost forty, and his body has proven that it can't hold up to a proper fight.
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