Joseph Parker vs. Lucas Browne in Serious Talks

[GrassrootsMatt]

Surely Fury has the best resume in the division?

[Paci]

Surely Fury has the best resume in the division?

Not yet.
But soon enough, but then again having loads of money and no real challangers around other then that bodybuilderbum AJ, who is holding his old trinkets warm for Fury's sake. Im going with that more his resume gonna be loaded if, their is any worth bums to put up a fight and will part of his charity since they gonna get payed for all the beatings.

Maybe Wilder. Only worthy bum around other then that Hearns hypejob with muscles. Or maybe bummy Ruiz if he stops being a latinodiva and gets his focus back.

[candyslim]

I'd say Whyte's overall resumé is arguably better than Parker's and since their head-to-head there's no comparison.

Leaving aside their fight against each other and their loss to Joshua, Parker has wins over Ruiz, Takam, Fury-light and Dimitrenko compared to Whyte's: Rivas, Chisora, Helenius, Wach and Browne (* who was at that time undefeated and regarded as a genuine 50/50 or 60/40 at worst)

Ruiz > Rivas
Fury = Chisora
Takam = Browne*
Dimitrenko < Helenius
Haumono < Wach

Ok its inconclusive overall.

[candyslim]

Surely Fury has the best resume in the division?

Not yet.
But soon enough, but then again having loads of money and no real challangers around other then that bodybuilderbum AJ, who is holding his old trinkets warm for Fury's sake. Im going with that more his resume gonna be loaded if, their is any worth bums to put up a fight and will part of his charity since they gonna get payed for all the beatings.

Maybe Wilder. Only worthy bum around other then that Hearns hypejob with muscles. Or maybe bummy Ruiz if he stops being a latinodiva and gets his focus back.

I wouldn't be so quick to write off Joshua if I were you. He isn't an unschooled boxer with a freakishly powerful right hand and little else going for him. Joshua still has power, maybe not as much as Wilder, but he has a better delivery system.

He can box, he can cut the ring off, and if he finds Fury's head too elusive a target, he will target Fury's midriff instead. I'm not saying Joshua wins because Fury is also a heavyweight of genuine quality, but only a fool would dismiss the chances of either of them winning.

If that sounds like I'm fence-sitting I guess I am, but if you forced me to predict a winner I'd probably go for Joshua. Wilder came unstuck the first time he faced an elite fighter in prime condition. It might have happened earlier if his team hadn't been so protective of him. All I'm saying is while it was an excellent performance for which Fury deserves high praise, we shouldn't consider Fury unbeatable on the strength of his handing Wilder a beating.

[Paci]

Not yet.
But soon enough, but then again having loads of money and no real challangers around other then that bodybuilderbum AJ, who is holding his old trinkets warm for Fury's sake. Im going with that more his resume gonna be loaded if, their is any worth bums to put up a fight and will part of his charity since they gonna get payed for all the beatings.

Maybe Wilder. Only worthy bum around other then that Hearns hypejob with muscles. Or maybe bummy Ruiz if he stops being a latinodiva and gets his focus back.

I wouldn't be so quick to write off Joshua if I were you. He isn't an unschooled boxer with a freakishly powerful right hand and little else going for him. Joshua still has power, maybe not as much as Wilder, but he has a better delivery system.

He can box, he can cut the ring off, and if he finds Fury's head too elusive a target, he will target Fury's midriff instead. I'm not saying Joshua wins because Fury is also a heavyweight of genuine quality, but only a fool would dismiss the chances of either of them winning.

If that sounds like I'm fence-sitting I guess I am, but if you forced me to predict a winner I'd probably go for Joshua. Wilder came unstuck the first time he faced an elite fighter in prime condition. It might have happened earlier if his team hadn't been so protective of him. All I'm saying is while it was an excellent performance for which Fury deserves high praise, we shouldn't consider Fury unbeatable on the strength of his handing Wilder a beating.

I whent full fanboy in that post. Mind you. But Im a fan of all them guys. Still Fury is my nr.1 guy.

In reality I hope that the fights get made and we get a Fury-Jousha fight. Since, well both guys are after all trinkets. And AJ dreams to take Fury's lineal claim makes it better.
Did like that AJ getting the better out of Wlad, so yeah. I can't say his skillset is lacking, mist be the second best to Fury in my head. Making him one of real and legit powerplayer now and having a huge fanbase with all that money makes him a target for all the guys. And outboxing Ruiz and coming back from a heavy loss like that, is kudos.

I think Fury will beat him, but saying it is an easy night or walk in park... well, no. AJ is AJ and the guy has gone after anyone that has relevans(Parker among others) and right now longing for a show down. From what I have seen in the talks around Hearns and him about Fury. Being objective Im not being a douche, but Im quite sure that picking AJ ain't wrong. He is the second best and do need to be on his A+ game or rise above it. Then again AJ is a clever bastard in the ring, I agree.

Really, if it happens. It gonna be a classic for this era. I think Fury wins, but that is what fandorks do. Still a fanboy of AJ also, strange enough.

[Paci]

I'd say Whyte's overall resumé is arguably better than Parker's and since their head-to-head there's no comparison.

Leaving aside their fight against each other and their loss to Joshua, Parker has wins over Ruiz, Takam, Fury-light and Dimitrenko compared to Whyte's: Rivas, Chisora, Helenius, Wach and Browne (* who was at that time undefeated and regarded as a genuine 50/50 or 60/40 at worst)

Ruiz > Rivas
Fury = Chisora
Takam = Browne*
Dimitrenko < Helenius
Haumono < Wach

Ok its inconclusive overall.

Whyte has one of the best records among the current top 10. I do have a feeling he would be a good pick for Wilder to get more legit among the champs back when he was running around as the nr1 for how many years when Wilder was champ? 2 or 3 years?
Also he whooped Parker by decision among other things. Just adding the names. Like a modern Ken Norton.

[gregregegg]

I'd say Whyte's overall resumé is arguably better than Parker's and since their head-to-head there's no comparison.

Leaving aside their fight against each other and their loss to Joshua, Parker has wins over Ruiz, Takam, Fury-light and Dimitrenko compared to Whyte's: Rivas, Chisora, Helenius, Wach and Browne (* who was at that time undefeated and regarded as a genuine 50/50 or 60/40 at worst)

Ruiz > Rivas
Fury = Chisora
Takam = Browne*
Dimitrenko < Helenius
Haumono < Wach

Ok its inconclusive overall.

Whyte has one of the best records among the current top 10. I do have a feeling he would be a good pick for Wilder to get more legit among the champs back when he was running around as the nr1 for how many years when Wilder was champ? 2 or 3 years?
Also he whooped Parker by decision among other things. Just adding the names. Like a modern Ken Norton.

Whooped parker? looked outclassed till a headclash wrongly called a knockdown, Then won some rounds against a hurt parker, then parker came back to go within an inch of stopping him. Thats hardly a whooping...

Even If you ignore the effects of parker being hurt in the rounds following the headclash, if you scored it as a Headclash rather than a kncokdown, then paker won that round, and would of got a Draw on the scorecards. Thats ignoring the fact it clearly hurt him and effected him in the folowing rounds. Hard to use that fight as evidence that whyte is better than parker.

But whytes resume is stacked and he dose deserve a title shot.

[candyslim]

No need for hyperbole it was a good fight. Whyte did not whoop Parker, but he beat him. Was it a conclusive win? No it was close. The headclash was unfortunate and it didn't help Joe's cause. As for affecting him for the rest of the fight, well Parker finished the stronger so clearly any negative effects were temporary.

Does Joe deserve a rematch? No doubt. Would he want one? No doubt. Would Higgins want it? Probably ... even if he appears to have lost his appetite for putting Joe in with the iron of the heavyweight division. Would Dillian want it? No why would he? He's got a win over Parker on his resumé in a fight he could easily have lost. He deserves massive credit for taking that fight, they both do.

Whyte will be focused on other challenges now and nobody should think any less of him for that.

[margaret thatcher]

I would rate Chis clearly above Hughie personally, granted Hughie did beat mighty Sam Sexton, about a decade after Chis already stopped him twice

[Paci]

Whyte has one of the best records among the current top 10. I do have a feeling he would be a good pick for Wilder to get more legit among the champs back when he was running around as the nr1 for how many years when Wilder was champ? 2 or 3 years?
Also he whooped Parker by decision among other things. Just adding the names. Like a modern Ken Norton.

Whooped parker? looked outclassed till a headclash wrongly called a knockdown, Then won some rounds against a hurt parker, then parker came back to go within an inch of stopping him. Thats hardly a whooping...

Even If you ignore the effects of parker being hurt in the rounds following the headclash, if you scored it as a Headclash rather than a kncokdown, then paker won that round, and would of got a Draw on the scorecards. Thats ignoring the fact it clearly hurt him and effected him in the folowing rounds. Hard to use that fight as evidence that whyte is better than parker.

But whytes resume is stacked and he dose deserve a title shot.

That headbutt was accidental by both guys and a punch pushed Parker down.
Whyte got the W. Not seen it in like two years. So yeah, it was closer and the clash of heads messed it up for Parker.

Might take back that somebody got whoop'd. Still thou he got beaten by Whyte and showed heart and didn't whine afterwords.

I do feel sorry for Browne... he is gonna get eaten up by Parker before he heads of to bigger things.

[Ruthless-RKO]

The headclash may have been accidental, but it did pave the way for the punch which followed.

Parker was already on his way down from the headclash.

[Enlightened-One]

[Whyte] whooped Parker by decision among other things. Just adding the names.

In my mind, a clash of heads during the second round might have assisted the Brit to win the vast majority of the rounds from the 2nd until the 10th.

The Kiwi clearly won the first, fourth, eleventh & twelfth rounds.

Parker admits to being deaf in one ear due to one of Whyte’s left hooks and also believes the 'The Body Snatcher' was the biggest puncher and physically strongest opponent he’s ever faced. He even admits to Whyte being “the better man on that day.”

Anyway, Dillian Whyte legitimately defeated Joseph Parker, in what was definitely a close fight that could have even been scored a draw.

In my mind, it was the Brit’s career-best win and he definitely didn’t “whoop” Parker.

[Paci]

Rewatching the fight since I have been talking out of my ass.

Parker has loads of heart even when lost his groove from the second on to what is it... the sixth round now? Closer then the skypeople are saying and Bellew got the hots for Whyte as one of the youtubers wrote in the comments. Gonna finish it later.

And yeah, he was out of balance and floored cause of the headbutt then pushed over by Whyte.

[Paci]

[Whyte] whooped Parker by decision among other things. Just adding the names.

In my mind, a clash of heads during the second round might have assisted the Brit to win the vast majority of the rounds from the 2nd until the 10th.

The Kiwi clearly won the first, fourth, eleventh & twelfth rounds.

Parker admits to being deaf in one ear due to one of Whyte’s left hooks and also believes the 'The Body Snatcher' was the biggest puncher and physically strongest opponent he’s ever faced. He even admits to Whyte being “the better man on that day.”

Anyway, Dillian Whyte legitimately defeated Joseph Parker, in what was definitely a close fight that could have even been scored a draw.

In my mind, it was the Brit’s career-best win and he definitely didn’t “whoop” Parker.

Draw is pretty... don't know. I have it like 4-2 into the 7th for Whyte. Scored the same as you the first and fourth.

This fights makes AJ look even better. He had no problems with Parker when he was on the outside and dancing around him. Whyte, he did stop. Do think Whyte got a better shot know thou. Then again don't think AJ cares if he don't have the WBC-trinket that he has trying to get for a time now. I don't think Whyte will get his hands on at all. For one reason only. Other then that the WBC would strip Fury of it and he gets elevated to fulltime champ instead of ..... do f*cking hate the overflow of random trinket cashgrabs. Nice looking trinket thou.

[Enlightened-One]

This fights makes AJ look even better. He had no problems with Parker when he was on the outside and dancing around him.

As the old adage goes, ‘Styles Makes Fights’.

Fights often have a different narrative depending on whether a fighter chooses to box or brawl against an opponent.

For instance: just because fighter A beats opponent B, but loses against fighter C, we shouldn’t automatically assume that B would definitely be beaten by C.

Dillian Whyte tried to overpower and rough up Parker, whereas AJ employed a completely different gameplan. It's not an "apples to apples" comparison.

[Thomastearns]

Parker v Whyte was as close as it could be. Another few seconds and Whyte was gone. That last round was Hell for him.

Browne v Parker makes great sense as a first post Lockdown fight in that an Australia v New Zealand matchup will sell all day long.

Seriously, any boxing fan who doesn't like Joseph Parker needs to have a real good look in the mirror. Along with Danny Jacobs he's one of the best guys in this brutal game.

[Paci]

This fights makes AJ look even better. He had no problems with Parker when he was on the outside and dancing around him.

As the old adage goes, ‘Styles Makes Fights’.

Fights often have a different narrative depending on whether a fighter chooses to box or brawl against an opponent.

For instance: just because fighter A beats opponent B, but loses against fighter C, we shouldn’t automatically assume that B would definitely be beaten by C.

Dillian Whyte tried to overpower and rough up Parker, whereas AJ employed a completely different gameplan. It's not an "apples to apples" comparison.

True. Still AJ beat them both. And they way AJ and Whyte fought him didn't really give anyone a good gameplan to beat him. Whyte had problems with his infighting and AJ well danced around popping him without ending up in fighting close. Where Parker would out speed him.

Looking forward to an end of this pandemic and letting this era countine to roll on. Cause, right now it is looking great.

Still would like to see Parker against somebody who is looking for a good paycheck and nothing more. Like that Chisora fight that didn't happen back in... when was it? The Ali-tourney final with Taylor-Regis.

[candyslim]

I would rate Chis clearly above Hughie personally, granted Hughie did beat mighty Sam Sexton, about a decade after Chis already stopped him twice

Fair enough but Fury could have been awarded a win over Parker even if he was on his bike almost exclusively. In pure boxing terms i.e. punches landed - forget who's making the fight and on the front foot. If you saw team Parker awaiting the verdict it's clear they were expecting the decision to go Hughie's way.

I wouldn't argue your preference for Delboy but I think you can make a case for either. Both acquit themselves well against high level opposition without actually beating them, and in a head-to-head Hughie is just the type Delboy has trouble with.

Actually that's a fight I'd quite like to see.

[candyslim]

I wouldn't be so quick to write off Joshua if I were you. He isn't an unschooled boxer with a freakishly powerful right hand and little else going for him. Joshua still has power, maybe not as much as Wilder, but he has a better delivery system.

He can box, he can cut the ring off, and if he finds Fury's head too elusive a target, he will target Fury's midriff instead. I'm not saying Joshua wins because Fury is also a heavyweight of genuine quality, but only a fool would dismiss the chances of either of them winning.

If that sounds like I'm fence-sitting I guess I am, but if you forced me to predict a winner I'd probably go for Joshua. Wilder came unstuck the first time he faced an elite fighter in prime condition. It might have happened earlier if his team hadn't been so protective of him. All I'm saying is while it was an excellent performance for which Fury deserves high praise, we shouldn't consider Fury unbeatable on the strength of his handing Wilder a beating.

I whent full fanboy in that post. Mind you. But Im a fan of all them guys. Still Fury is my nr.1 guy.

In reality I hope that the fights get made and we get a Fury-Jousha fight. Since, well both guys are after all trinkets. And AJ dreams to take Fury's lineal claim makes it better.
Did like that AJ getting the better out of Wlad, so yeah. I can't say his skillset is lacking, mist be the second best to Fury in my head. Making him one of real and legit powerplayer now and having a huge fanbase with all that money makes him a target for all the guys. And outboxing Ruiz and coming back from a heavy loss like that, is kudos.

I think Fury will beat him, but saying it is an easy night or walk in park... well, no. AJ is AJ and the guy has gone after anyone that has relevans(Parker among others) and right now longing for a show down. From what I have seen in the talks around Hearns and him about Fury. Being objective Im not being a douche, but Im quite sure that picking AJ ain't wrong. He is the second best and do need to be on his A+ game or rise above it. Then again AJ is a clever bastard in the ring, I agree.

Really, if it happens. It gonna be a classic for this era. I think Fury wins, but that is what fandorks do. Still a fanboy of AJ also, strange enough.

That's better Paci. Now you're making good sense again following your short break

[Paci]

That's better Paci. Now you're making good sense again following your short break

It is funnier being locco

[candyslim]

That's better Paci. Now you're making good sense again following your short break

It is funnier being locco

Much more of this Corona virus lockdown and we'll all be loco

[Paci]

It is funnier being locco

Much more of this Corona virus lockdown and we'll all be loco

At least none of us are burning down 5G-towers! Haha!

[margaret thatcher]

I would rate Chis clearly above Hughie personally, granted Hughie did beat mighty Sam Sexton, about a decade after Chis already stopped him twice

Fair enough but Fury could have been awarded a win over Parker even if he was on his bike almost exclusively. In pure boxing terms i.e. punches landed - forget who's making the fight and on the front foot. If you saw team Parker awaiting the verdict it's clear they were expecting the decision to go Hughie's way.

I wouldn't argue your preference for Delboy but I think you can make a case for either. Both acquit themselves well against high level opposition without actually beating them, and in a head-to-head Hughie is just the type Delboy has trouble with.

Actually that's a fight I'd quite like to see.

Chisora could also have a win over Whyte if we are going that route, not to mention the rest of his actual resume which is very superior to Hughie's. I mean one of Hughie's standout wins is over a guy Del already KO'd twice like 10 years ago lol.

Hughie is a master of jabbing the air and boring the fans, I'll give you that. He'd probably do that on his way to losing another decision if he faced Delster.

Hughie is roughly a top 20-25 fighter for me, I'd prob have Del around the lower top 10-12 area

[gregregegg]

Fair enough but Fury could have been awarded a win over Parker even if he was on his bike almost exclusively. In pure boxing terms i.e. punches landed - forget who's making the fight and on the front foot. If you saw team Parker awaiting the verdict it's clear they were expecting the decision to go Hughie's way.

I wouldn't argue your preference for Delboy but I think you can make a case for either. Both acquit themselves well against high level opposition without actually beating them, and in a head-to-head Hughie is just the type Delboy has trouble with.

Actually that's a fight I'd quite like to see.

Chisora could also have a win over Whyte if we are going that route, not to mention the rest of his actual resume which is very superior to Hughie's. I mean one of Hughie's standout wins is over a guy Del already KO'd twice like 10 years ago lol.

Hughie is a master of jabbing the air and boring the fans, I'll give you that. He'd probably do that on his way to losing another decision if he faced Delster.

Hughie is roughly a top 20-25 fighter for me, I'd prob have Del around the lower top 10-12 area

Hughie fury and chisora are pretty close for mine, just on completely opposite styles.

Interestingly i actuly would rate hughie as a better chance beating most of the top 20 than derrick, but would rate derrick above fury in some strange paradox. When style differences are so obviouse, rankings tend not to work for comparisons and you have to rate them against individual opponents.

For example id back hughie vs ruiz and back ruiz vs chisora.
But id probly back chisora vs povetkin and pov beat hughie.

[margaret thatcher]

Chis has earned a higher ranking for sure, he's done better in general and I'd take him to beat Hughie, a guy with no fighting spirit and king of air jabs (was Hughie getting credit for his accuracy earlier lol)

Maybe Hughie should fight Sam Sexton again if he wants to look good. Sam Sexton--that is an elite win for Hughie, a guy Chis beat up and stopped 12 years ago