Is it time for super heavyweight division?

[Cent0089]

Mike Perez weighed 230-240 in heavy and he was able to cut down to cruiser.

[margaret thatcher]

The point is. It's been done before. It can be done again.

Guys that are 210 pounds didn't suddenly become Lightweights.

Mike Tyson has been the biggest Heavyweight star of the last 3 decades easily. He was always considered small for a Heavyweight.

Nah, the point is that guys around 6'0 185-200 are actually where we should be looking. Not simply that they could do it, but that they are the ideal sized HWs. These giants are just lugging detrimental size, any guy around 200 should have the mass to hurt any other man.

In general 6'1 197 > 6'5 240

[gilgamesh]

The point is. It's been done before. It can be done again.

Guys that are 210 pounds didn't suddenly become Lightweights.

Mike Tyson has been the biggest Heavyweight star of the last 3 decades easily. He was always considered small for a Heavyweight.

Nah, the point is that guys around 6'0 185-200 are actually where we should be looking. Not simply that they could do it, but that they are the ideal sized HWs. These giants are just lugging detrimental size, any guy around 200 should have the mass to hurt any other man.

In general 6'1 197 > 6'5 240

Is this sarcasm? Or just an odd statement

[margaret thatcher]

Look at history, and how SHWs have fared with smaller hws, most time the smaller wins. These shws are for the most part not the right build for boxing and have a lot of excess size. This is just the history of boxing.

Granted, guys in the Jack Johnson opponent size range of 150-170 would have been too small.

[Tony1244]

The point is. It's been done before. It can be done again.

Guys that are 210 pounds didn't suddenly become Lightweights.

Mike Tyson has been the biggest Heavyweight star of the last 3 decades easily. He was always considered small for a Heavyweight.

Yes, Tyson is the best of the dozen or so EO exceptions.

[oogiebe]

The point is. It's been done before. It can be done again.

Guys that are 210 pounds didn't suddenly become Lightweights.

Mike Tyson has been the biggest Heavyweight star of the last 3 decades easily. He was always considered small for a Heavyweight.

Yes, Tyson is the best of the dozen or so EO exceptions.

E-i-E-i-O

[H8Usernames]

My opinion is a minority one I admit but its still my opinion. So I believe that boxing should be a sport like any other and not just some money thing made to produce stars. That being said weight classes are to protect smaller fighters against the size advantage that bigger fighters enjoy, I dont think that larger men should be less protected than smaller ones so weight classes should follow something like a 8.5% incriment, that being said:

Lightheavyweight 175
Jr Cruiserweight 190
Cruiserweight 205
Supercruiserweight 220
Heavyweight 221 and above.

[oogiebe]

My opinion is a minority one I admit but its still my opinion. So I believe that boxing should be a sport like any other and not just some money thing made to produce stars. That being said weight classes are to protect smaller fighters against the size advantage that bigger fighters enjoy, I dont think that larger men should be less protected than smaller ones so weight classes should follow something like a 8.5% incriment, that being said:

Lightheavyweight 175
Jr Cruiserweight 190
Cruiserweight 205
Supercruiserweight 220
Heavyweight 221 and above.

Fantastic! Two new weight classes.

[Paci]

Enough with junior and super-weights... Don't make the WBA look reasonable please.

Wondering what new type of belt they will throw in the mix or something this up coming convention.

[gilgamesh]

My opinion is a minority one I admit but its still my opinion. So I believe that boxing should be a sport like any other and not just some money thing made to produce stars. That being said weight classes are to protect smaller fighters against the size advantage that bigger fighters enjoy, I dont think that larger men should be less protected than smaller ones so weight classes should follow something like a 8.5% incriment, that being said:

Lightheavyweight 175
Jr Cruiserweight 190
Cruiserweight 205
Supercruiserweight 220
Heavyweight 221 and above.

You and your sh*t idea of Jr. Cruiserweight and Super Cruiserweight can go to hell.

LESS weight classes. Not more. Never more.

[H8Usernames]

You and your sh*t idea of Jr. Cruiserweight and Super Cruiserweight can go to hell.

LESS weight classes. Not more. Never more.

Thank you so much for your kind words.

[gilgamesh]

You and your sh*t idea of Jr. Cruiserweight and Super Cruiserweight can go to hell.

LESS weight classes. Not more. Never more.

Thank you so much for your kind words.

And I'd thank you to quit trying to sully the sport I love.

[Ambling Alp II]

At a certain point the weight advantage stops being an advantage. At a later point it becomes a disadvantage. Has been shown over and over and over.

No needs for more weight classes. We need less if anything.

[gilgamesh]

At a certain point the weight advantage stops being an advantage. At a later point it becomes a disadvantage. Has been shown over and over and over.

No needs for more weight classes. We need less if anything.

No doubt about it we need less. All the Jr. and Super weight classes could be dropped and wouldn't be missed.

We could also lose every one of the title organizations. All of the them have been shown to be corrupt in some fashion over the years.

Of course this is all just dreaming, but hopefully one day we'll see an improvement to the way the sport is structured.

[Tony1244]

My opinion is a minority one I admit but its still my opinion. So I believe that boxing should be a sport like any other and not just some money thing made to produce stars. That being said weight classes are to protect smaller fighters against the size advantage that bigger fighters enjoy, I dont think that larger men should be less protected than smaller ones so weight classes should follow something like a 8.5% incriment, that being said:

Lightheavyweight 175
Jr Cruiserweight 190
Cruiserweight 205
Supercruiserweight 220
Heavyweight 221 and above.

How about adding in super light heavyweight @ 180 and Senior Cruiser @ 209?

Or.......

How about getting rid of ALL Junior and Supper divisions !

[oogiebe]

My opinion is a minority one I admit but its still my opinion. So I believe that boxing should be a sport like any other and not just some money thing made to produce stars. That being said weight classes are to protect smaller fighters against the size advantage that bigger fighters enjoy, I dont think that larger men should be less protected than smaller ones so weight classes should follow something like a 8.5% incriment, that being said:

Lightheavyweight 175
Jr Cruiserweight 190
Cruiserweight 205
Supercruiserweight 220
Heavyweight 221 and above.

How about adding in super light heavyweight @ 180 and Senior Cruiser @ 209?

Or.......

How about getting rid of ALL Junior and Supper divisions !

Maybe replace "JR" with "Not quite good enough to be..."

[Tony1244]

How about adding in super light heavyweight @ 180 and Senior Cruiser @ 209?

Or.......

How about getting rid of ALL Junior and Supper divisions !

Maybe replace "JR" with "Not quite good enough to be..."

"Size matter," so perhaps each pound, no wait, each 1/2 pound should have it's own division.

And any division that is bigger than HW, should be called the fat piece of sh!t division.

[oogiebe]

Maybe replace "JR" with "Not quite good enough to be..."

"Size matter," so perhaps each pound, no wait, each 1/2 pound should have it's own division.

After that we can work on reach and height classes.

[Paci]

Heightclasses makes alot of sense.

[Enlightened-One]

Yes, Tyson is the best of the dozen or so EO exceptions.

Never said that.

It didn’t happen... ever.

[Enlightened-One]

Just a gentle reminder to what I actually wrote.

Some interesting stats for those that claim that size doesn’t matter…

The following list represents the weights of the winners/champions of the world heavyweight title fights (including the WBA variants) that occurred within the last twenty years (i.e. since the 9th June 2000):

• WBA = 50 title fights; 2 winners weighing less than 215lbs; 3 winners weighing less than 220lbs
• WBC = 38 title fights; 2 winners weighing less than 215lbs; 4 winners weighing less than 220lbs
• IBF = 40 title fights; 5 winners weighing less than 215lbs; 5 winners weighing less than 220lbs
• WBO = 30 title fights; 0 winners weighing less than 215lbs; 1 winner weighing less than 220lbs

Here are the mathematical average weights for the winners/champions of all those title fights (rounded to the nearest pound):

• WBA = 247lbs
• WBC = 240lbs
• IBF = 242lbs
• WBO = 242lbs

Here are the champions (weighing less than 220lbs) that emerged victorious (or drew) in the title fights mentioned above:

• David Haye
• Roy Jones Jr
• Deontay Wilder
• Chris Byrd
• Sultan Ibragimov

David Haye and Deontay Wilder are the only fighters that successfully competed in world heavyweight title fights within the last decade weighing less than 225lbs.

If people are questioning the validity of these stats, I can easily provide the dates, names (of the winners) and weights for each of these title fights.

[Tony1244]

Yes, Tyson is the best of the dozen or so EO exceptions.

Never said that.

It didn’t happen... ever.

I'd go with Holy.

[Paci]

Just a gentle reminder to what I actually wrote.

Some interesting stats for those that claim that size doesn’t matter…

The following list represents the weights of the winners/champions of the world heavyweight title fights (including the WBA variants) that occurred within the last twenty years (i.e. since the 9th June 2000):

• WBA = 50 title fights; 2 winners weighing less than 215lbs; 3 winners weighing less than 220lbs
• WBC = 38 title fights; 2 winners weighing less than 215lbs; 4 winners weighing less than 220lbs
• IBF = 40 title fights; 5 winners weighing less than 215lbs; 5 winners weighing less than 220lbs
• WBO = 30 title fights; 0 winners weighing less than 215lbs; 1 winner weighing less than 220lbs

Here are the mathematical average weights for the winners/champions of all those title fights (rounded to the nearest pound):

• WBA = 247lbs
• WBC = 240lbs
• IBF = 242lbs
• WBO = 242lbs

Here are the champions (weighing less than 220lbs) that emerged victorious (or drew) in the title fights mentioned above:

• David Haye
• Roy Jones Jr
• Deontay Wilder
• Chris Byrd
• Sultan Ibragimov

David Haye and Deontay Wilder are the only fighters that successfully competed in world heavyweight title fights within the last decade weighing less than 225lbs.

If people are questioning the validity of these stats, I can easily provide the dates, names (of the winners) and weights for each of these title fights.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics

[jujigatame]

Those "statistics" don't even support the argument. So the average heavyweight champ weighs 240-245. Fine. Let's say that's the optimal weight for combat sports. Well, someone who weighs 245 can weigh in at 225 without much trouble if they want to. So what have you done? Created a worthless SHW division with almost nobody in it, and cheapened the HW division while you're at it. Truly a win-win.

[oogiebe]

Those "statistics" don't even support the argument. So the average heavyweight champ weighs 240-245. Fine. Let's say that's the optimal weight for combat sports. Well, someone who weighs 245 can weigh in at 225 without much trouble if they want to. So what have you done? Created a worthless SHW division with almost nobody in it, and cheapened the HW division while you're at it. Truly a win-win.

Most of these plus 240 heavy's are at least 15 - 20 LBs overweight.