Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - October 9, 2021

Who wins the trilogy?

Poll ended at 09 Oct 2021, 07:41

Fury - Decision
39
18%
Fury - T/KO
127
59%
DRAW
3
1%
Wilder - T/KO
45
21%
Wilder - Decision
2
1%
 
Total votes: 216

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Re: Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - July 18, 2020?

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Thomastearns wrote: 08 Jun 2020, 07:50
Enlightened-One wrote: 08 Jun 2020, 04:04
Immediately before Fury’s February rematch against Deontay Wilder, he accurately claimed that all bullies, when they’re backed up and stood up to, fold when you stand up to them.

And Mike Tyson is renowned for failing to overcome adversity throughout the entirety of his career.

So I’m not really sure how Mike could help Deontay.

Of all the idiotic things you have ever written, this may be the worst.

You don't know Mike Tyson, only some third hand impression.

You wouldn't last 10 minutes in his world.
Me neither.
Of all the idiotic things you have ever written, this may be the worst.

Have you seen Deontay Wilder's comments about Mike Tyson?

When I said that I wasn't really sure how Mike could help Deontay, I really did mean it!

You can criticise me all you want and claim that I don’t know anything about blah, blah, blah… but you need to refrain from behaving in an idiotic manner, by realising that Deontay Wilder doesn’t respect Mike Tyson.

So when this is the case, how the fṹck can Mike Tyson help Deontay Wilder?

If you can't answer that simple question, then please either remain silent or man up and apologise!

"Deontay Wilder gives savage assessment of Mike Tyson’s career in classic video, talks defeats to Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis"

"Deontay Wilder claims he would knock out Mike Tyson in his prime because of his attributes and ‘killer instinct’"

From a sporting perspective, Mike Tyson never managed to overcome adversity. You can't pretend otherwise! :yay:

And in terms of Mike’s ability to support and advise Wilder, he clearly can’t do this if Wilder doesn’t even respect him! You can't pretend otherwise! :yay:

I’m really looking forward to your response, because you’ve clearly fallen into a trap of your own making! :TU:
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Re: Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - July 18, 2020?

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Enlightened-One wrote: 08 Jun 2020, 07:59
Thomastearns wrote: 08 Jun 2020, 07:50


Of all the idiotic things you have ever written, this may be the worst.

You don't know Mike Tyson, only some third hand impression.

You wouldn't last 10 minutes in his world.
Me neither.
Of all the idiotic things you have ever written, this may be the worst.

Have you seen Deontay Wilder's comments about Mike Tyson?

When I said that I wasn't really sure how Mike could help Deontay, I really did mean it!

You can criticise me all you want and claim that I don’t know anything about blah, blah, blah… but you need to refrain from behaving in an idiotic manner, by realising that Deontay Wilder doesn’t respect Mike Tyson.

So when this is the case, how the fṹck can Mike Tyson help Deontay Wilder?

If you can't answer that simple question, then please either remain silent or man up and apologise!

"Deontay Wilder gives savage assessment of Mike Tyson’s career in classic video, talks defeats to Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis"

"Deontay Wilder claims he would knock out Mike Tyson in his prime because of his attributes and ‘killer instinct’"

From a sporting perspective, Mike Tyson never managed to overcome adversity. You can't pretend otherwise! :yay:

And in terms of Mike’s ability to support and advise Wilder, he clearly can’t do this if Wilder doesn’t even respect him! You can't pretend otherwise! :yay:

I’m really looking forward to your response, because you’ve clearly fallen into a trap of your own making! :TU:

Look, I have no interest in discussing whichever trap I may have fallen into or who set it. There are far too many examples here on boxrec, not all of them humourous, of your desperate pedantic excavation attempts to discern whatever truth or version of reality that corresponds to your current paradigm.

We've all seen (far too many times where these exchanges usually lead) - an eventual derailment somewhere down the track of semantic misunderstanding. Just in time to usually catch the next exchange to nowheresville.

Remember also that all of these discussions can only be at best a form of social science. Sadly there can never be an ultimate truth - merely a current consensus which might be no more permanent as the direction of the clouds.

As a common fan of boxing I'd like to wish you well. I believe you are at your best with unearthing factual information and detail about this sport that some of us may have missed. I think you might do well for your own happiness to stick to that more often. We all know you're tough, but do you really need this constant headbanging? I'm pretty sure we don't.


Anyway, what I am interested in is Deontay Wilder defeating that fork tongued manipulative drug cheat Tyson Fury in their second rematch.

I think it's clear to most observers that Wilder has successfully managed to isolate himself from almost everyone that might have had his interests at heart.

Broken relationship after broken relationship, new celebrity fiancee/wife who seems to have a huge new found interest in boxing, the loss of a trusted mentor, and heck he even tried to fire the only good man left standing in his camp - his trainer.

Dibella had to go 'cos Haymon, Finkel and co all wanted the dough.

To really cap things of, he even shares the same common (mis)manager with Mike Tyson in Shelley Finkel.

Deontay Wilder's story is now beginning to closely mirror that of Mike Tyson. A young man isolated, flailing, about to drown surrounded by parasites.

Unless something changes some of us can predict the rest. We've seen something similar before.

So yes, he should eat serious humble pie and go talk to the man who's seen it all, done it all, and lived to tell the tale.

Nothing to lose, and everything to gain.
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Re: Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - October 2020?

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It's time for EO to leave. Just evaporate.
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Re: Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - October 2020?

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Thomastearns wrote: 08 Jun 2020, 15:01Look, I have no interest in discussing whichever trap I may have fallen into or who set it. There are far too many examples here on boxrec, not all of them humourous, of your desperate pedantic excavation attempts to discern whatever truth or version of reality that corresponds to your current paradigm.
You previously said you believed my claim about Mike Tyson being unable to help Deontay Wilder was one of the most idiotic things you’d ever read, but then I supported my stance by providing evidence you're clearly unable to refute.

You are the one that needlessly jumped to derogatory conclusions, without fact-checking your opinions beforehand, but for some reason, you feel I’ve behaved unacceptably?
Thomastearns wrote: 08 Jun 2020, 15:01Dibella had to go 'cos Haymon, Finkel and co all wanted the dough.
Lou DiBella was blacklisted from the PBC, Showtime and Fox, because he tried to negotiate a multi-fight deal for Deontay Wilder to make the jump to DAZN.

He essentially tried to weaken his business partners by trying to orchestrate a move for one of their most prized assets to make the jump to one of their biggest rivals, without their involvement.

The likes of Jermall Charlo, Adrien Broner, Errol Spence Jr. and other fighters associated to Al Haymon also previously rejected numerous offers to leave the PBC and join DAZN. The same applies to certain ESPN fighters also.

Are you going to argue that this is "another idiotic claim" or will you instead concede that my recollection of reality is 100% factually accurate?
Thomastearns wrote: 08 Jun 2020, 15:01Deontay Wilder's story is now beginning to closely mirror that of Mike Tyson. A young man isolated, flailing, about to drown surrounded by parasites.

Unless something changes some of us can predict the rest. We've seen something similar before.

So yes, he should eat serious humble pie and go talk to the man who's seen it all, done it all, and lived to tell the tale.

Nothing to lose, and everything to gain.
And like I said before...

Tyson never managed to overcome adversity inside the ring. He also allowed himself to be exploited (commercially) outside of it. And the videos I provided proved that Wilder doesn’t even respect Mike.

And don’t you agree, that without respect, anything positive that Mike brings to the table will ultimately be ignored by Deontay?

So any professional working relationship between Tyson and Wilder clearly won’t work!

That being said, I will concede that Wilder needs to rid himself of his legion of “yes” men and surround himself with people that are only interested in serving his best interests, even if this goes against Deontay’s own wishes.
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Re: Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - October 2020?

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Yet another hijacked thread. I had to go back the title to remember WTF this was all about.
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Re: Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - October 2020?

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I do think that EO has a thing for Tyson or else he wouldn't be such a huge Tyson-nerd. And whinning about him all the time. Tyson didn't get tested for real when he was nearing his peak. It suck'd so hard. The 90s would have been his play ground. Still a true legend and the biggest name since Ali himself.

Other then that. Will Fury end it in 1 or 2 rounds? 1 if he don't play around and in two if he just wonna go home early to his family after having abite of fun with the bum.

Other then some fanboyism, I do think Wilder will come in focused. The storyline is too good among other things. Gonna be a war. Gonna something extra and just plain locco. Cause, both boys are crazy, killers, glory hungry and better then people think. All the pressure is on Wilder and well, he can get a moment out of this if he gets passed Fury, something that nobody is counting on. At all. Gonna wait for the date to drop.
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Re: Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - October 2020?

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Paci wrote: 09 Jun 2020, 17:52 I do think that EO has a thing for Tyson or else he wouldn't be such a huge Tyson-nerd. And whinning about him all the time. Tyson didn't get tested for real when he was nearing his peak. It suck'd so hard. The 90s would have been his play ground. Still a true legend and the biggest name since Ali himself.

Other then that. Will Fury end it in 1 or 2 rounds? 1 if he don't play around and in two if he just wonna go home early to his family after having abite of fun with the bum.

Other then some fanboyism, I do think Wilder will come in focused. The storyline is too good among other things. Gonna be a war. Gonna something extra and just plain locco. Cause, both boys are crazy, killers, glory hungry and better then people think. All the pressure is on Wilder and well, he can get a moment out of this if he gets passed Fury, something that nobody is counting on. At all. Gonna wait for the date to drop.
Have to admit, I'm super curious for this fight.
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Re: Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - October 2020?

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Was Wilder not focused for the second fight? That would be a new one. You'd think he would've been for the biggest fight of his career, vs the 1 guy he hadn't been able to beat. If he can't get focused for that, it's a problem.

Maybe the can just keep having rematches until they've both beaten each other, though I know Fwank was keen on that step aside money
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Re: Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - October 2020?

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oogiebe wrote: 09 Jun 2020, 17:54
Paci wrote: 09 Jun 2020, 17:52 I do think that EO has a thing for Tyson or else he wouldn't be such a huge Tyson-nerd. And whinning about him all the time. Tyson didn't get tested for real when he was nearing his peak. It suck'd so hard. The 90s would have been his play ground. Still a true legend and the biggest name since Ali himself.

Other then that. Will Fury end it in 1 or 2 rounds? 1 if he don't play around and in two if he just wonna go home early to his family after having abite of fun with the bum.

Other then some fanboyism, I do think Wilder will come in focused. The storyline is too good among other things. Gonna be a war. Gonna something extra and just plain locco. Cause, both boys are crazy, killers, glory hungry and better then people think. All the pressure is on Wilder and well, he can get a moment out of this if he gets passed Fury, something that nobody is counting on. At all. Gonna wait for the date to drop.
Have to admit, I'm super curious for this fight.
The world is going to hell, but we got a great or golden era of heavyweight boxing brewing. There is something extra about both guys and all their rivals.

This fight has this weird aura around it.
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Re: Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - October 2020?

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Paci wrote: 09 Jun 2020, 18:10
oogiebe wrote: 09 Jun 2020, 17:54
Have to admit, I'm super curious for this fight.
The world is going to hell, but we got a great or golden era of heavyweight boxing brewing. There is something extra about both guys and all their rivals.

This fight has this weird aura around it.
It could end up being a worse beat down than the second fight, but yeah...something in the air.
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Re: Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - October 2020?

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Well, it's at least a positive outlook to think some crazy is going down :TU:
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Re: Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - October 2020?

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margaret thatcher wrote: 09 Jun 2020, 18:13 Well, it's at least a positive outlook to think some crazy is going down :TU:
:yay:
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Re: Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - October 2020?

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Wilder has continuously tried to make his fights with Fury about race, with little success, but I'm concerned that whatever happens, definitely if it is held in America, this third fight is going to become all about race considering recent events.

I don't think it should happen in the States.
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Re: Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - October 2020?

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Well he played up race last time too and it didn't help him, I don't really anticipate that judges would be more pro black now, these racial events come up pretty regularly in the states tbh, we had Tray and Mike Brown before, same old same old

Warren sounds like he wants Saudi step aside money instead
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Re: Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - October 2020?

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Cyclops wrote: 09 Jun 2020, 18:47 Wilder has continuously tried to make his fights with Fury about race, with little success, but I'm concerned that whatever happens, definitely if it is held in America, this third fight is going to become all about race considering recent events.

I don't think it should happen in the States.
Boxing Squared mentioned New Zealand as a possible location.
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Re: Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - October 2020?

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oogiebe wrote: 09 Jun 2020, 18:54
Cyclops wrote: 09 Jun 2020, 18:47 Wilder has continuously tried to make his fights with Fury about race, with little success, but I'm concerned that whatever happens, definitely if it is held in America, this third fight is going to become all about race considering recent events.

I don't think it should happen in the States.
Boxing Squared mentioned New Zealand as a possible location.
Sounds good to me. Anywhere but Amerikkka or f*cking Saudi.
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Re: Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - December 19, 2020?

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Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder III now being targeted for December 19

"We are looking all over the world, at this point, for the best location for this event. That will be narrowed down and we'll see where it takes us"

Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder's third fight is being targeted for December 19 with locations "all over the world" still in the running, according to Top Rank executive Brad Jacobs.

Wilder is contracted to another WBC heavyweight championship match-up before Fury can face his mandatory challenger Dillian Whyte or stage an undisputed title fight with Anthony Joshua.

"We are focusing on December 19 and are hoping that, by then, we are back to a nearly normal situation," Top Rank's Jacobs told Sky Sports. "That may be a 50 per cent capacity.

"We are looking all over the world, at this point, for the best location for this event. That will be narrowed down and we'll see where it takes us."


One bold proposal suggested Fury and Wilder meet in a 45,000-seat stadium on Boxing Day in Australia so it could be televised in the US and UK on Christmas Day.

Promoter Dean Lonergan, who pitched the idea to Fury's US promoters Top Rank, told Sky Sports: "If you want to come to one of the safest places in the world and give yourself a guaranteed crowd, well perhaps Australia is the place to be."

Asked if any worldwide location had been ruled out, Top Rank's Jacobs told Sky Sports: "Not at this point.

"There are many offers from all over the world. It will land where it lands, for whatever reason. At the moment there is no real progress for any specific location."


Bob Arum's Top Rank have staged several events behind-closed-doors in Las Vegas recently but are considering how a crowd can be safely incorporated for future fights, including Fury vs Wilder.

"We are looking towards what the next step is," Jacobs said. "A small hall with 1,000 people? A big arena that holds 15,000 but with 3,000 inside? How close can people sit? It is a huge undertaking to reach this next step. We are investigating it actively."

Positive Covid-19 tests have caused the cancellation of certain fights, including for Mikaela Mayer and Jose Pedraza, but Top Rank were still able to push forwards.

"For 24/7 six weeks before our first event we went over out protocol, and what to do when we had a positive test," Jacobs said.

"We didn't live in a fantasy world with no positive tests or fantasies. We prepared well. Our plans are now working seamlessly. When we have a positive test we follow a protocol, everybody is protected and we move on.

"Part of our business [crowds] is not viable but we made a conscious decision to move ahead.

"We have proper doctors, proper staffing, in place to properly deal with situations and protect everybody which is the primary goal. It has been a challenge."


The recent build-up to Fury and Wilder's third fight has involved unfounded accusations from the American's team that his British rival inflicted injuries with something other than a glove.

Those theories were dismissed by WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman, who told Sky Sports: "It's ridiculous. It's difficult to understand.

"I was present in both fights, I was in the dressing room, in both fights. Both Wilder and Fury dressing room.

"One was in California, the other one was in Nevada. In both cases there were at least three inspectors, in each dressing room.

"I was there before and after the fight. I saw the hand wraps, I saw them with the gloves. I was in the ring when they came into the ring, and I was sitting right there during the fight.

"At no moment, in either fight, I saw anything that would look suspicious whatsoever. After the fight, they take off the gloves, they are handed to the commission.

"It's very sad, because to try and take away something from a huge victory, one of the greatest nights of the sport in the century, to try and put a blemish on that event, is so irresponsible, and so stupid. It should not be given any consideration."


Fury's UK promoter allegedly told Sky Sports: "I think Tyson has got Deontay's number. I thought he won the first fight. Second fight he won it emphatically.

"I don't know what Deontay can bring that's any different from the previous two fights.

"He feels that he can. I know speaking to Shelly Finkel his manager, he's very, very confident. He believes he's got the beating of Tyson. That remains to be seen."

Warren added that a date and location would be finalised "fairly soon".
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Re: Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - December 19, 2020?

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Tyson Fury beats Deontay Wilder in December, vacates the WBC title, has two fights against Anthony Joshua during 2021 and then retires, regardless the outcome of his bouts against AJ.
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Re: Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - December 19, 2020?

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Fury will most likely take a decision over Wilder. He’s lost the element of surprise this time, so I don’t think he knock out Wilder by simply employing an unpredicted, aggressive style. He won the majority of rounds in both fights, and I’m confident he’ll do it again. As a long time Wilder fan, I’ll be rooting for him! But even I can’t live in denial that he’s a serious underdog.

Alternatively, if Wilder wins, it has to be a knockout. Has to be. No time limit on it. And he’s certainly capable of doing it.

These are things that all of us know. So let’s talk about the important questions:

1. Is Wilder really alive? - Yes. Let’s give the guy a break. And if he is dead then he will simply need the superpowers contained in his skeletor costume to give him a breath of life.

2. What kind of opening number can we expect from Tyson Fury? It’s hard to top the breaching experiment that was his walkout and post-fight celebration last time. Perhaps he’ll be carried out on a giant surgical mask as a nod to the bizarre circumstances?

3. Fury‘s and Wilder’s weights. How heavy can we expect Wilder after that beating? Or Fury?

4. Training camps. Any word on Wilder’s new commitments on trainers? I haven’t seen or read anything in a while. He could use a shakeup. I’m assuming that Fury is sticking with Sugar Hill.

5. Location, location, location. Is there a contingency plan in place to swiftly relocate this battle to fight island?
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Re: Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - December 19, 2020?

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ryandmosley wrote: 01 Jul 2020, 09:26 Fury will most likely take a decision over Wilder. He’s lost the element of surprise this time, so I don’t think he knock out Wilder by simply employing an unpredicted, aggressive style. He won the majority of rounds in both fights, and I’m confident he’ll do it again. As a long time Wilder fan, I’ll be rooting for him! But even I can’t live in denial that he’s a serious underdog.

Alternatively, if Wilder wins, it has to be a knockout. Has to be. No time limit on it. And he’s certainly capable of doing it.

These are things that all of us know. So let’s talk about the important questions:

1. Is Wilder really alive? - Yes. Let’s give the guy a break. And if he is dead then he will simply need the superpowers contained in his skeletor costume to give him a breath of life.

2. What kind of opening number can we expect from Tyson Fury? It’s hard to top the breaching experiment that was his walkout and post-fight celebration last time. Perhaps he’ll be carried out on a giant surgical mask as a nod to the bizarre circumstances?

3. Fury‘s and Wilder’s weights. How heavy can we expect Wilder after that beating? Or Fury?

4. Training camps. Any word on Wilder’s new commitments on trainers? I haven’t seen or read anything in a while. He could use a shakeup. I’m assuming that Fury is sticking with Sugar Hill.

5. Location, location, location. Is there a contingency plan in place to swiftly relocate this battle to fight island?
I watched a very long Fury interview on Youtube the other day and he said that as soon as he can he is going to fly Sugar Hill over to the UK to start working on things, so he definitely wants him on board. He seems a great fit for Tyson: I hope he finishes his career with him.

With regards to Fury's ring walk, I think he should take a leaf out of his namesake's book and walk shirtless to this:



If he can get Iron Mike to walk out with him that would be something, too.
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Re: Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - December 19, 2020?

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“Everything Tyson does... is intimidating.”
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Re: Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - December 19, 2020?

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Fury vs. Wilder 3 tickets will be EXPENSIVE

Fans will need to get ready to dig deep to come up with the money they’ll be expected to pay to see the trilogy fight between Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder on December 19 at the Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas, Nevada.

According to ESPN, the tickets for the Fury-Wilder 3 fight will sell at a premium. The reason for that is there will be fewer tickets available due to the socially distanced seating for the 65,000 seat Allegiant Stadium.

Top Rank will have space between each seat to create a barrier between the fans. They want to keep it safe to protect the fans from getting sick, and that’s the rationale behind the socially distanced seating.

One problem with pricing the tickets high for the Fury vs. Wilder 3 trilogy match is the timing. A lot of boxing fans are still unemployed or under-employed due to the pandemic causing companies to shut down or layoff workers.

If the tickets for the Wilder-Fury III fight are sold at too high of a price, then only the wealthy will be able to afford them. That’s not good for Top Rank if they’re unable to sell tickets because they decide to raise the prices.

Tickets for Fury vs. Wilder 3 could be expensive

“Socially distanced seating means you’re selling, one would think, mostly premium tickets, right?” said Kellerman to ESPN. “You would imagine supply and demand for a ticket to a live sporting event, that supply is very low. The demand must be quite high, in fact, despite travel restrictions, I imagine. Have you heard anything about that?

“I mean, look, think of it as an open-air luxury box,”
said Kriegel about the Fury vs. Wilder 3 seating. “Okay, they have to be expensive. This is the heavyweight championship of the world. It’ll be expensive.

“It’s a high ticket item, but I think that’s the best way to look at it. You’re going to have to space this stuff out. You’re putting it in a football stadium, and you would get, I guess, regular arena type seating in terms of numbers,”
said Kriegel.

“It also occurs to me that so much of boxing is being seen by people in the arena that maybe it dampens demand,” said Kellerman. “It’s going to be interesting to see what happens if they can pull that off in any way.”

Well, if fans are expected to pay the same kind of money they would pay for seating in a luxury box, that’s not going to work for Fury-Wilder fight. It costs a mint for luxury box tickets. These are some of the things that people enjoy in a luxury box:

Bar
Televisions
private bathroom
small seating area
champagne
Tasty food

Fans won’t be happy paying luxury box prices for open-air seating without all the amenities that one would enjoy with that kind of setup.

December 19th the projected date for Fury-Wilder III

“Let’s go right to it; Fury-Wilder III,” said Max Kellerman to ESPN. “I felt Fury left no doubt in the rematch, but we’re talking about December.”

“December 19th remains the projected date, as we reported a while ago,”
said Mark Kriegel on the Fury vs. Wilder 3 fight. “What has changed, Todd Duboef, the Top Rank president has spoken to the Raiders, and the Raiders play a Thursday, December 17th, and they held the 19th.

“So they basically have that booked, the Allegiant Stadium for some socially distanced seating. If not there, then look for the MGM. Let’s hope that one comes together there. Both guys [Fury and Wilder] are doing their part on social media right now, which is all you can expect from great fighters in this day and age,”
said Kriegel.

We’re assuming that the rules for fans to follow to attend the Wilder vs. Fury 3 fight at Allegiant Stadium will be that they’re wearing masks. It won’t work well if you get stubborn fans that refuse to wear masks. They’ll need to be enforcement of the mask rule.

December is a bad month to have a live fight with a crowd because that’s when they’re projecting a huge spike of new cases from the virus. The second phase of the virus is expected to hit in November or December, and it could be worse than the first phase.
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Re: Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - December 19, 2020?

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I’ve read somewhere that the Fury-Wilder PPV event achieved a buy-rate that was slightly more than 750K, with both fighters guaranteed $25m purses.

The PPV in the US was priced between $70 and $80, depending on whether the event was viewed in HD or not. This equates to the total PPV revenue that was generated in the region of $52m to $60m.

And assuming 50% to 60% of this gross PPV revenue figure is retained by the various cable and satellite distributors, the Wilder-Fury rematch in February must have resulted in massive losses for the TV networks.

However, both fighters had already agreed to an immediate rematch clause (for a contract negotiated & signed during May 2019), which will inevitably include purse splits and guaranteed minimums.

So would it be wrong of me to assume that the third Wilder-Fury bout is likely to be another loss-making event?

Let’s not forget that Bob Arum originally predicted in February that the Wilder-Fury rematch would top 2m PPV buys? The final figure was woefully short of that number.

And did Fox Sports and ESPN use that estimate in the contractual negotiations that occurred between the Wilder and Fury teams during May of last year?

Barry Hearn recently expressed his doubt about the third Wilder-Fury fight taking place unless both fighters agreed to renegotiate their deals with ESPN & Fox, given the fact that many industry insiders believe both networks lost fortunes covering their previous bouts.

He thinks the original terms of their deals must be revised. And I wonder if this is what has happened?
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Re: Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - December 19, 2020?

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Enlightened-One wrote: 09 Jul 2020, 07:04 I’ve read somewhere that the Fury-Wilder PPV event achieved a buy-rate that was slightly more than 750K, with both fighters guaranteed $25m purses.

The PPV in the US was priced between $70 and $80, depending on whether the event was viewed in HD or not. This equates to the total PPV revenue that was generated in the region of $52m to $60m.
https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2020/02 ... -ppv-buys/

Total digital buys were around 1.2m

Initial suggestions that the heavyweight blockbuster did under a million sales have been corrected by Arum, who says digital purchases haven’t been considered.

Therefore, Fury’s spectacular victory over Wilder in front of a sell-out crowd at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas did indeed hit over one million sales.

“In regards to the Fury vs Wilder (II) Pay-Per-View, they don’t have the digital numbers yet. The digital is well over 300,000 buys,” Arum exclusively told World Boxing News.

“It’s probably sort of accurate (the 850,000 reported). But then you add in the digital on top of that. So three hundred and change (to 850,000). It’s closer to 1.2 million.”

Once officially crunched, those final tallies will be a solid return to the big time for heavyweight boxing in the United States.
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Re: Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - December 19, 2020?

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Enlightened-One wrote: 09 Jul 2020, 07:04 However, both fighters had already agreed to an immediate rematch clause (for a contract negotiated & signed during May 2019), which will inevitably include purse splits and guaranteed minimums.

So would it be wrong of me to assume that the third Wilder-Fury bout is likely to be another loss-making event?

Let’s not forget that Bob Arum originally predicted in February that the Wilder-Fury rematch would top 2m PPV buys? The final figure was woefully short of that number.

And did Fox Sports and ESPN use that estimate in the contractual negotiations that occurred between the Wilder and Fury teams during May of last year?

Barry Hearn recently expressed his doubt about the third Wilder-Fury fight taking place unless both fighters agreed to renegotiate their deals with ESPN & Fox, given the fact that many industry insiders believe both networks lost fortunes covering their previous bouts.

He thinks the original terms of their deals must be revised. And I wonder if this is what has happened?
The trilogy purse splits were announced and agreed as part of the rematch being agreed.. It was in the contracts.. Unless they both agree to re-negotiate the contracts? I don't know how it would work.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2019/09/ar ... se-splits/

Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury have already signed for a trilogy fight between them for next year, says Top Rank Boxing promoter Bob Arum. He says the purse split for the winner of the Wilder vs. Fury trilogy will get 60% of the purse, and the loser 40%.

Fury gets 50-50 purse split for Wilder rematch on February 22

For the upcoming second Wilder-Fury 2 fight on February 22 next year, the purse split down the middle at 50-50. Fury getting 50 percent of the pot for the Wilder rematch is a great deal. It’s no wonder Arum chose to have Fury sign for a third fight with Wilder. If Fury can win a decision, he stands to make a lot of money.


“It’s a signed deal,” said Arum about a rematch between Wilder and Fury for February. “Not only is it a signed deal for a second fight between the two best heavyweights in the world, the winner of the fight for a third fight, which is already signed, gets 60 percent of everything and the loser 40 percent. Right now, it’s signed for the second fight. Each side gets 50 percent. I would prefer it take place in Las Vegas,” said Arum about the February 22 rematch between Wilder and Fury,” said Arum.

Maybe they won't need to sell AS MUCH on the promotional side of things?
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