I was mostly just a lurker at those times as I was very young. I remember the seconds out forum which War*en got shut down. I don't think boxrec had a forum at those times. Even at that age I thought the huge egos of grown men such as yourself and Spud was weird. I can only surmise that you got off on being billy big bollocks on a boxing forum. I'm pretty sure you guys were booted off every forum you were ever on and in hindsight you were never going to have the longevity that boxrec has. Thankfully you were never allowed to ruin this forum as you did the others.Lightsoot wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 21:09That 'plank of wood' has distorted your memory Lenny. Can't remember your own name, but recall the ins and outs of ESB and Doghouse? Anyone would have thought you got banned and had an axe to grind. I'd elaborate but Ashford and Simpson have just come on.TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 21:03My name is not Leonard, I can assure you you have wrong person. You seem to be as thick as a plank of wood. I remember you were in cahoots with Spud and ran a few forums into the ground before you both got ran off the ESB and Doghouse forums. You used to both badmouth this forum but look where you ended up.
Why did Groves and Booth part ways?
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Re: Why did Groves and Booth part ways?
Leonard is someone else mate you’re barking up the wrong tree I thinkLightsoot wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 21:09That 'plank of wood' has distorted your memory Lenny. Can't remember your own name, but recall the ins and outs of ESB and Doghouse? Anyone would have thought you got banned and had an axe to grind. I'd elaborate but Ashford and Simpson have just come on.TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 21:03My name is not Leonard, I can assure you you have wrong person. You seem to be as thick as a plank of wood. I remember you were in cahoots with Spud and ran a few forums into the ground before you both got ran off the ESB and Doghouse forums. You used to both badmouth this forum but look where you ended up.
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Re: Why did Groves and Booth part ways?
Speculating but I think Groves and Booth probably got heated and teaboy Spud tried to make his presence felt to calm the situation. Groves, always pretty sharp with his tongue, made a show of Spud who cowered down and bolted to the kitchens.THEBUTCH wrote: ↑22 Aug 2020, 05:52 Spud, it's obviously a sensitive subject (between Groves and Booth) but could could you drop a broad clue as to where the split stemmed from ?
Amount of time spent with each other, money, differing views on training, personality clash, ethics etc Nothing specific, just general.
Re: Why did Groves and Booth part ways?
Time to get the popcorn out, the sensitive types are getting nippyLightsoot wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 19:22The only time KG gets flustered is when he's having a power wank at work upon realising he hasn't got any bog roll. Me personally, I'm furious Spud missed off Huddersfield Leisure Centre and Ponds Forge. But he's contributed more in one post than you have Fizzjambo in 10 years. Imagine being that irelevant.fizzjambo wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 18:28Settle down sweetheart, you’re getting yourself all flusteredKhaosai-Galaxy wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 16:15
Who the hell do you think you are, addressing Spud in this way?
Have some respect you nonce
Re: Why did Groves and Booth part ways?
Aye that’s the way I saw it. Groves boxed beautifully that night, however he was dropping his hands enough to leave the opening there. Groves could always be guilty of that though so seemed a bit harsh to pin it on Fitzpatrick?THEBUTCH wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 20:04 Well this thread certainly went down an alternative route !
Now I've finished pissing my pants with laughter at the posts and being completely soaked through, one thing I'd like to chip in is the bit about Paddy getting it in the neck about Groves losing to Froch in the rematch.
I thought Groves was boxing Froch's head off until Carl pulled out that thunder bolt of a right hand.
Can you really legislate for the punch of a lifetime ? Anyone else see the fight that way ?
Re: Why did Groves and Booth part ways?
This. What fornicating fight Watt was watching is beyond me.fizzjambo wrote: ↑22 Aug 2020, 10:26Aye that’s the way I saw it. Groves boxed beautifully that night, however he was dropping his hands enough to leave the opening there. Groves could always be guilty of that though so seemed a bit harsh to pin it on Fitzpatrick?THEBUTCH wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 20:04 Well this thread certainly went down an alternative route !
Now I've finished pissing my pants with laughter at the posts and being completely soaked through, one thing I'd like to chip in is the bit about Paddy getting it in the neck about Groves losing to Froch in the rematch.
I thought Groves was boxing Froch's head off until Carl pulled out that thunder bolt of a right hand.
Can you really legislate for the punch of a lifetime ? Anyone else see the fight that way ?
Re: Why did Groves and Booth part ways?
groves seemed to bounce from trainer to trainer not for knowledge ,but because he blamed everyone else for his own failings, personaly never liked groves as a person, but who cares iant living with him.i take it he never had strong family behind him, as he seemed lostSpud wrote: ↑14 Aug 2020, 05:03 I was actually in the gym on the last day GG was there.
Its not for me to go into the ins & outs ... but what I will say in my humble opinion I truly cannot stand GG. Of course totally my point of view.
I was totally delighted Callumn Smith whooped him in Saudi Arabia and I was there to see it.
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Re: Why did Groves and Booth part ways?
Reasonably accurate EricERIC GUY wrote: ↑22 Aug 2020, 09:11 Good to see Spud back in the action,
Yes he did work for various promoters, was not a licence holder, enjoyed his boxing, I 1st met him when we was in aldershot with Julius Francis training for Tyson fight, then Frank allowed him to follow us to Manchester, frank liked him, gave him some driving wotk, till he had a car crash with boxers inside, but he is a nice guy, Loved to think he was security, we had some laughs, GIVE HIM CREDIT!!
The car crash was one sunday when I had to take Victor Baranov to Heathrow but only got as far as Holloway.
That was a week before Lennox v Botha.
Plenty happened after that ... 20 years & plenty of fantastic memories
Re: Why did Groves and Booth part ways?
What happened with the kettle?
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Spud
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Re: Why did Groves and Booth part ways?
Haha haha
Kettles and pubs mate, niche market always pays well
Kettles and pubs mate, niche market always pays well
Re: Why did Groves and Booth part ways?
Who is this Leonard chap you speak so fondly of?Lightsoot wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 19:42He made it further than you though, Leonard? Reckon your 5 minutes was up ages ago, despite you combing your hair to go on telly. It just took the suits a little longer than us to realise you were full of poo.TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑15 Aug 2020, 13:25He is the proud tea-boy at boxing events. Known for making a cuppa for Mick Hennessey. Plenty of sugar. His reputation for making a cuppa was so good that he got scouted by the Saudi's where as he says he got to enjoy GG getting done by Smith.
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Re: Why did Groves and Booth part ways?
I’ve seen Spud working behind the scenes at a few Sky shows and a friend of mine from Hull flew home from Latvia with him from an Usyk fight. He got a bit of a crowd into a Haye fight in Huddersfield and I’ve seen him around Booth a lot. The man has done more than 99% of people on here.
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Re: Why did Groves and Booth part ways?
What happened that last day?Spud wrote: ↑22 Aug 2020, 05:25I am not claiming to know everything that went on that led to the break up .... but its a FACT that I know some of the factors.MightyWarrior wrote: ↑22 Aug 2020, 02:46 Grove is very much his own man and didn’t buy into booth’s cult like persona. Spud doesn’t have a clue by the way, a delusional gopher with zero self-awareness![]()
I was in the gym on the very last day Groves visited Hayemaker HQ
Its because of that last night I cannot stand Groves.
As for being a delusional gopher ... its a fact many boxing fans would have given their right arm to have the experiences I have had in boxing ...indeed one of my jobs at Hayemaker HQ was sifting through the many applications of people who wanted my job.
Keep the insults coming
THANK YOU to those who have PM’d me messages of support.
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Re: Why did Groves and Booth part ways?
Yeah he’s worked as a whip for several promoters, that’s my understanding of things.mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2020, 13:35 I’ve seen Spud working behind the scenes at a few Sky shows and a friend of mine from Hull flew home from Latvia with him from an Usyk fight. He got a bit of a crowd into a Haye fight in Huddersfield and I’ve seen him around Booth a lot. The man has done more than 99% of people on here.
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Frostieballs
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Re: Why did Groves and Booth part ways?
Spud helped a lot of promoters, but he was never a whip. You have to be licenced for that.jameswilson wrote: ↑22 Aug 2020, 14:46Yeah he’s worked as a whip for several promoters, that’s my understanding of things.mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2020, 13:35 I’ve seen Spud working behind the scenes at a few Sky shows and a friend of mine from Hull flew home from Latvia with him from an Usyk fight. He got a bit of a crowd into a Haye fight in Huddersfield and I’ve seen him around Booth a lot. The man has done more than 99% of people on here.
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Re: Why did Groves and Booth part ways?
Wrong!!!Frostieballs wrote: ↑22 Aug 2020, 14:50Spud helped a lot of promoters, but he was never a whip. You have to be licenced for that.jameswilson wrote: ↑22 Aug 2020, 14:46Yeah he’s worked as a whip for several promoters, that’s my understanding of things.mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2020, 13:35 I’ve seen Spud working behind the scenes at a few Sky shows and a friend of mine from Hull flew home from Latvia with him from an Usyk fight. He got a bit of a crowd into a Haye fight in Huddersfield and I’ve seen him around Booth a lot. The man has done more than 99% of people on here.
I have held a whips licence.
Gave it up when my parkinsons diagnosis was confirmed
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Re: Why did Groves and Booth part ways?
Thank youmickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2020, 13:35 I’ve seen Spud working behind the scenes at a few Sky shows and a friend of mine from Hull flew home from Latvia with him from an Usyk fight. He got a bit of a crowd into a Haye fight in Huddersfield and I’ve seen him around Booth a lot. The man has done more than 99% of people on here.
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Re: Why did Groves and Booth part ways?
I didn’t realise Spud. That must have come later in your career.Spud wrote: ↑22 Aug 2020, 15:08Wrong!!!Frostieballs wrote: ↑22 Aug 2020, 14:50Spud helped a lot of promoters, but he was never a whip. You have to be licenced for that.jameswilson wrote: ↑22 Aug 2020, 14:46
Yeah he’s worked as a whip for several promoters, that’s my understanding of things.
I have held a whips licence.
Gave it up when my parkinsons diagnosis was confirmed
Re: Why did Groves and Booth part ways?
Nobody seems to be particularly disputing that Mikey (I’m not anyway) but he is doing a good job of coming across as a bit of a insecure egotist with a chip on his shoulder?mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2020, 13:35 I’ve seen Spud working behind the scenes at a few Sky shows and a friend of mine from Hull flew home from Latvia with him from an Usyk fight. He got a bit of a crowd into a Haye fight in Huddersfield and I’ve seen him around Booth a lot. The man has done more than 99% of people on here.
That said though I’m not trying to take anything away from the guy. If he’s got Parkinson’s he’s got a hard go so good luck to him
Re: Why did Groves and Booth part ways?
Great to see some of the poster’s from yesteryear posting on this thread. Brings back memories of other boxing forums...
Spud, KG, Lightsoot, Deserter etc.... hope all gets with you all. Vivid memories of some classic threads and rucks....
It almost makes me feel like posting more![[icon_e_biggrin.gif] :D](./images/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif)
Spud, KG, Lightsoot, Deserter etc.... hope all gets with you all. Vivid memories of some classic threads and rucks....
It almost makes me feel like posting more
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Re: Why did Groves and Booth part ways?
BigGar wrote: ↑22 Aug 2020, 16:01 Great to see some of the poster’s from yesteryear posting on this thread. Brings back memories of other boxing forums...
Spud, KG, Lightsoot, Deserter etc.... hope all gets with you all. Vivid memories of some classic threads and rucks....
It almost makes me feel like posting more![]()
I remember Rhino winding you up with a thread called ‘Enzo Maccarinelli has no chin’
And then just a photograph of Enzo with his chin airbrushed out.
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Re: Why did Groves and Booth part ways?
Who was Enzo’s stalker? Flint Island?jameswilson wrote: ↑22 Aug 2020, 16:08BigGar wrote: ↑22 Aug 2020, 16:01 Great to see some of the poster’s from yesteryear posting on this thread. Brings back memories of other boxing forums...
Spud, KG, Lightsoot, Deserter etc.... hope all gets with you all. Vivid memories of some classic threads and rucks....
It almost makes me feel like posting more![]()
I remember Rhino winding you up with a thread called ‘Enzo Maccarinelli has no chin’
And then just a phototherapy of Enzo with his chin airbrushed out.
Probably p4p 1 or 2 with coghaugen on here.