Whyte vs Povetkin: WBC's prestigious 'Diamond' belt also at stake when Dillian Whyte battles Alexander Povetkin

[candyslim]

Yeah I'd mostly go along with that but the point is not that Whyte is a great fighter, I accept he isn't, but that he is a real warrior who will face anyone.

That's why he enjoys the respect and affection of UK fight fans, and it's why I believe him when he says that offers were made to this fighter and that fighter.
It's not what fighters say, talk is cheap, you have to look at what they do and there are a few highly rated heavies that do a lot of talking and not much else.

[tennessee]

Anyone who faces Chisora twice is a bad dude in my book. Big win against Povetkin has to get him a title shot soon.

[Ron C]

What an uppercut. Wow!

[DrDuke]

Povetkin is tough. Kept cold after an awful round and came back.

[margaret thatcher]

Does this mean Pov is Fury's mandatory now?

[a93]

Not sure where Whyte has got this rep from. He turned down the Joshua fight and eliminators with Pulev and Ortiz. His last 5 of Browne, Chisora, Parker, Rivas and Wach isn’t much to write home about IMO.

Ok I'll bite. Let's analyse this shall we ...

Firstly Whyte has been the WBC number one for a ridiculous amount of time without getting a title shot. People say "Ah but he wasn't mandatory all that time". That's true but only because WeBeCorrupt broke their own rules by matching their number 6 Breazeale with the unranked Molina for the mandatory slot totally ignoring the rights of their long-term number one contender. WTF was Molina getting a chance for? A man known as "The drummer boy" presumably because like a drum he is regarded as an instrument for beating on.

How many guys in Whyte's position are going to risk their (very hard earned) guaranteed title-shot by taking on a live opponent, never mind a fading but still world-class fighter like Povetkin, when they don't need to?

Povetkin broke Joshua's nose and boxed rings around him until his age and AJ's power punches caught up with him. Pulev is a mandatory challenger. When was the last time he fought an elite fighter, in fact when in his long career has he ever beaten an elite opponent? Arguably his best win was Chisora whom Whyte has beaten twice. The guy has built a career out of fighting fringe-contenders.

You say he ducked Joshua. I don't think the fight suited either of them at that time. Joshua was looking to break out in the States once Wilder wasn't interested in taking the 19th April date. A reputedly low-ball offer was made to Whyte and rejected but look at it from Whyte's point of view. He's not scared of Joshua but he's intelligent enough to know he could lose like he did before. He was starting out on the road to becoming a very wealthy man courtesy of his Sky PPV status. What if he lost, would he still be a PPV star? Maybe he would now that Sky know he is very popular and pulls in the punters but maybe not then.

Whyte decided not to pursue that route. Like Tyson Fury, Whyte identified Wilder as a very beatable opponent and felt that if he could get Wilder in the ring he would beat him and be able to face Joshua in a unification extravaganza which would make him very rich win or lose. Unfortunately Fury was of the same ambition and he had an advantage over Whyte in that he was looking extremely vulnerable and a much more appealing potential victim for Haymon and Finkel. so he was permitted by Haymon/Sulaiman to jump ahead of the mandatory challenger.

You say he ducked Ortiz. Whyte had already more than earned his title shot and was infuriated by the WBC putting up yet another hoop for him to jump through. I believe Whyte and Hearn when they say that Ortiz has thrice turned down offers to face Whyte. Whyte clearly isn't scared of Povetkin - a younger fighter whose achievements in boxing dwarf those of Ortiz - why would he be scared of Ortiz? We found out how trustworthy is the word of Ortiz when he turned down £7m or was it 8 to face Joshua and was forced to retract his claim that Hearn had sent him a low-ball offer, when Hearn threatened to publish the correspondence.

You say he ducked Pulev: Why would Whyte want to fly to Sofia to earn comparative peanuts in order to win the right to get 25% of the purse as mandatory for Joshua? Whyte and Joshua are stablemates. They both want to fight each other at a time when it's convenient to both. Whyte will expect to do a lot better than 25% of the purse. Miller didn't want the opportunity either and it would have been a much more attractive opportunity for him. As it was Whyte faced Joseph Parker instead, for vastly more money than he would have got in Bulgaria. It helped him cement his PPV status and Parker is a much more credible opponent than Pulev anyway yet still people talk crap about him ducking Pulev.

Ok so his last opponents. We can ignore Wach. Whyte was way out of shape and just needed a keep-busy fight.

Rivas was undefeated and had recently beaten Bryant Jennings - Luis Ortiz's best win by a country-mile and the man Ortiz has built his bogeyman reputation on. Rivas is is a fierce little bstrd and had Dillian on the deck. I don't see a stampede of heavyweights rushing to fight Rivas.

Chisora: "Loser to the stars" as a fine former poster used to call him. Chisora hasn't beaten any top heavyweight and is vulnerable to anyone who can box and move behind the jab, but if you aren't a mover and you stand and trade with him, he's your worst nightmare. Whyte is adding movement to his game as we saw in the second fight but the first was a war.
He is never going to find Chisora an easy opponent like Fury did, it's a question of styles. Chisora was and is a formidable opponent for a fighter like Whyte.

Parker: Was a former world title holder who had got a decision over Andy Ruiz Jnr. and only lost one fight and that was against Joshua. The guy is still one of the best heavies around in my opinion but he needs to pull his finger out and start reminding people of that. He was expected to be a really tough opponent for Whyte and that's how it proved. It was seen as a huge risk, a genuine 50/50 and Whyte was lucky to emerge with the win.

Browne: Ok he was sh*t but Dillian didn't know he was going to be. Browne was a former world champion of sorts and was unbeaten. He had a come-from-behind knock-out of Ruslan Chagaev in his own backyard. The fight looked a genuine 50/50 and as a Dillian Whyte fan, I was worried for him. You might now sneer but facing Browne was a very bold move and not one that most heavies were contemplating.

Sorry for the length, it's hard to cover all the points and be brief. I do hope you might have a better insight into Dillian Whyte's rep now.

Told you.

[marvelous marv]

That's why you always take the title shot when it is there for you.

[DrDuke]

Does this mean Pov is Fury's mandatory now?

Presumably yes.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Beautiful set up to a one hitter quitter. Great ending. Look forward to a rematch

[Boxtune]

I always said Dillian Whyte was a GARBAGE.

[TheBeast]

Povetkin KTFO Whyte
Povetkin down twice in round 4 & Whyte in round 5






FULL CARD HIGHLIGHTS HERE:
https://www.the13thround.com/phpBB2/vie ... 8&t=132694


ENJOY!!

[margaret thatcher]

Man I am just in love with that combo

[Jay510]

Why is Povetkin's win labeled a TKO on BoxRec when it was CLEARLY a clean KO. Whyte went to sleep!

[margaret thatcher]

Doesn't each commission have its own ruling on what equals a tko vs a ko? Whyte was clearly blapped, but the ref waived it off without ffully counting so perhaps that's it

[Onetimeonly]

Why is Povetkin's win labeled a TKO on BoxRec when it was CLEARLY a clean KO. Whyte went to sleep!

Because the ref waved it off. Ko is 10 count. The nastiest knock outs are almost always an official tko.

[Evander]

Well I didn't see that coming.
After two knockdowns of Povetkin I'm sitting there thinking to myself ...
Evander mate, What are you going to do with the money you're about to win on Dillian Whyte, perhaps head out for a nice dinner with the missus ?
The next I'm asking the wife, whereabouts exactly in the cupboard are the pot noodles.

[candyslim]

I always said Dillian Whyte was a GARBAGE.

You also said that Whyte should be embarrassed for building a career out of facing fighters like Povetkin. I'm actually surprised you understand the concept of embarrassment, otherwise you'd be keeping very quiet. If anyone was in any doubt anyway your disdain for Povetkin and his chances in this fight, shows your woeful ignorance about boxing.

[candyslim]

Nice one Mr Holyfield that really gave me a chuckle.

[candyslim]

Not sure where Whyte has got this rep from. He turned down the Joshua fight and eliminators with Pulev and Ortiz. His last 5 of Browne, Chisora, Parker, Rivas and Wach isn’t much to write home about IMO.

Ok I'll bite. Let's analyse this shall we ...

Firstly Whyte has been the WBC number one for a ridiculous amount of time without getting a title shot. People say "Ah but he wasn't mandatory all that time". That's true but only because WeBeCorrupt broke their own rules by matching their number 6 Breazeale with the unranked Molina for the mandatory slot totally ignoring the rights of their long-term number one contender. WTF was Molina getting a chance for? A man known as "The drummer boy" presumably because like a drum he is regarded as an instrument for beating on.

How many guys in Whyte's position are going to risk their (very hard earned) guaranteed title-shot by taking on a live opponent, never mind a fading but still world-class fighter like Povetkin, when they don't need to?

Povetkin broke Joshua's nose and boxed rings around him until his age and AJ's power punches caught up with him. Pulev is a mandatory challenger. When was the last time he fought an elite fighter, in fact when in his long career has he ever beaten an elite opponent? Arguably his best win was Chisora whom Whyte has beaten twice. The guy has built a career out of fighting fringe-contenders.

You say he ducked Joshua. I don't think the fight suited either of them at that time. Joshua was looking to break out in the States once Wilder wasn't interested in taking the 19th April date. A reputedly low-ball offer was made to Whyte and rejected but look at it from Whyte's point of view. He's not scared of Joshua but he's intelligent enough to know he could lose like he did before. He was starting out on the road to becoming a very wealthy man courtesy of his Sky PPV status. What if he lost, would he still be a PPV star? Maybe he would now that Sky know he is very popular and pulls in the punters but maybe not then.

Whyte decided not to pursue that route. Like Tyson Fury, Whyte identified Wilder as a very beatable opponent and felt that if he could get Wilder in the ring he would beat him and be able to face Joshua in a unification extravaganza which would make him very rich win or lose. Unfortunately Fury was of the same ambition and he had an advantage over Whyte in that he was looking extremely vulnerable and a much more appealing potential victim for Haymon and Finkel. so he was permitted by Haymon/Sulaiman to jump ahead of the mandatory challenger.

You say he ducked Ortiz. Whyte had already more than earned his title shot and was infuriated by the WBC putting up yet another hoop for him to jump through. I believe Whyte and Hearn when they say that Ortiz has thrice turned down offers to face Whyte. Whyte clearly isn't scared of Povetkin - a younger fighter whose achievements in boxing dwarf those of Ortiz - why would he be scared of Ortiz? We found out how trustworthy is the word of Ortiz when he turned down £7m or was it 8 to face Joshua and was forced to retract his claim that Hearn had sent him a low-ball offer, when Hearn threatened to publish the correspondence.

You say he ducked Pulev: Why would Whyte want to fly to Sofia to earn comparative peanuts in order to win the right to get 25% of the purse as mandatory for Joshua? Whyte and Joshua are stablemates. They both want to fight each other at a time when it's convenient to both. Whyte will expect to do a lot better than 25% of the purse. Miller didn't want the opportunity either and it would have been a much more attractive opportunity for him. As it was Whyte faced Joseph Parker instead, for vastly more money than he would have got in Bulgaria. It helped him cement his PPV status and Parker is a much more credible opponent than Pulev anyway yet still people talk crap about him ducking Pulev.

Ok so his last opponents. We can ignore Wach. Whyte was way out of shape and just needed a keep-busy fight.

Rivas was undefeated and had recently beaten Bryant Jennings - Luis Ortiz's best win by a country-mile and the man Ortiz has built his bogeyman reputation on. Rivas is is a fierce little bstrd and had Dillian on the deck. I don't see a stampede of heavyweights rushing to fight Rivas.

Chisora: "Loser to the stars" as a fine former poster used to call him. Chisora hasn't beaten any top heavyweight and is vulnerable to anyone who can box and move behind the jab, but if you aren't a mover and you stand and trade with him, he's your worst nightmare. Whyte is adding movement to his game as we saw in the second fight but the first was a war.
He is never going to find Chisora an easy opponent like Fury did, it's a question of styles. Chisora was and is a formidable opponent for a fighter like Whyte.

Parker: Was a former world title holder who had got a decision over Andy Ruiz Jnr. and only lost one fight and that was against Joshua. The guy is still one of the best heavies around in my opinion but he needs to pull his finger out and start reminding people of that. He was expected to be a really tough opponent for Whyte and that's how it proved. It was seen as a huge risk, a genuine 50/50 and Whyte was lucky to emerge with the win.

Browne: Ok he was sh*t but Dillian didn't know he was going to be. Browne was a former world champion of sorts and was unbeaten. He had a come-from-behind knock-out of Ruslan Chagaev in his own backyard. The fight looked a genuine 50/50 and as a Dillian Whyte fan, I was worried for him. You might now sneer but facing Browne was a very bold move and not one that most heavies were contemplating.

Sorry for the length, it's hard to cover all the points and be brief. I do hope you might have a better insight into Dillian Whyte's rep now.

Told you.

I'm not sure what you mean. You queried Whyte's rep but Whyte's rep has never been that he's a great fighter. Much improved, yes. A top ten fighter most certainly, but a fighter with flaws. His rep has always been about him being brave enough to face anyone, and that is probably enhanced rather than diminished by the result on Saturday

We have seen him hurt, wobbled and even floored many times. One occasion which seems to have gone below the radar, (it only seems to be me who ever refers to it) is the Helenius fight when a shot from the Finn in round one or two sent Whyte back to his corner on stiff legs. I thought that was it and that Helenius would knock him out next round but Helenius went into survival mode and didn't trouble Whyte for the rest of the fight. He later claimed he'd injured himself and that was the only explanation that made any sense to me. A lucky escape for our Dill.

If Whyte had a granite jaw like McCall, Vitali or Ruiz Jnr. I'd be less impressed, but Whyte knows his is not the greatest of chins. That makes his attitude all the more admirable to me. He was asked on the night if he was going to knock out Povetkin and he said something like "This is heavyweight boxing. Either of us could knock out the other". He was under no illusions about the task ahead.

As for me I think I called it pretty well. Here is an extract from my first post on this thread …

Quote - Povetkin is a case in point. He's past prime but still very dangerous in the early rounds, ask Joshua. I expect Dillian to grind him down and force the stoppage but Whyte can be vulnerable before he gets into his stride, and I wouldn't be surprised if Povetkin were to stop him early. If it goes past five Whyte will win but that is by no means assured. - Unquote

Some called it better than I did but I'm wondering what you had in mind when you said "Told you" ?

[Evander]

Nice one Mr Holyfield that really gave me a chuckle.

That's how I roll

[H8Usernames]

I'm just talking about him in terms of waiting for a shot he deserves.
I heard he split from his trainer, not sure what to make of that at this point except to say something can't be right in the camp.
Some have said he's difficult to deal with, however he's a very strong fighter and I'll be surprised if Povetkin gets by him at this stage of his career.

He doesnt deserve anything really. Let him duke it out with ancient Ortiz and the big swedish guy and then we can talk about what someone deserves and well then there is the whole Andy Ruiz question.

Are you saying that top 5 in the world Whyte needs to fight fringe top 50 Wallin to justify himself deserving a title shot?

What I am saying is that Dillion Whyte a former Povetkin and Joshua ko victim that should also have a decision loss on his record to Derrick Chisora. The man who barely got by Mariuz Wach would make an excellent opponent for Otto Wallin who recently went the full 12 with the undisputed heavyweight champion Tyson Fury.

[H8Usernames]

People like you are the reason I don't much bother with this forum anymore.

How can you claim to be a boxing fan and not appreciate a warrior like Dillian Whyte? The guy continually risks his status taking on opponents most of the top heavyweights keep well clear of.

Povetkin is a case in point. He's past prime but still very dangerous in the early rounds, ask Joshua. I expect Dillian to grind him down and force the stoppage but Whyte can be vulnerable before he gets into his stride, and I wouldn't be surprised if Povetkin were to stop him early. If it goes past five Whyte will win but that is by no means assured.

I admire skillfull boxing, speed, punching power etcetera but for me there is no fighter more admirable than those who will repeatedly risk fighting top opposition in a fight that doesn't involve a serious title (I don't count a worthless piece of crap like the so-called diamond belt) especially one like Whyte who is not blessed with extraordinary talent.

I don't expect you to like the guy but if you can't applaud his fighting heart then you're not worth arguing with.

I too have a fighting heart. Give me a 100k and I myself will step into the ring with anyone I dont admire people for having heart. Do you admire them cause you are a guttless wonder?

[candyslim]

Talk is cheap, mate. Clearly there are a lot of professional fighters who are in a position to actually do what you claim you would do, but they don't do they?

In any case they don't just give you 100k, you have to prove you are worth it, and sadly I think that's where your plan breaks down.

Never mind, you can still be a gobshite and an internet warrior, disrespecting the guys who aren't all mouth and trousers. We all excel at something

[gilgamesh]

I'm just talking about him in terms of waiting for a shot he deserves.
I heard he split from his trainer, not sure what to make of that at this point except to say something can't be right in the camp.
Some have said he's difficult to deal with, however he's a very strong fighter and I'll be surprised if Povetkin gets by him at this stage of his career.

He doesnt deserve anything really. Let him duke it out with ancient Ortiz and the big swedish guy and then we can talk about what someone deserves and well then there is the whole Andy Ruiz question.

Are you saying that top 5 in the world Whyte needs to fight fringe top 50 Wallin to justify himself deserving a title shot?

Wallin is a Top 20 guy

[H8Usernames]

Talk is cheap, mate. Clearly there are a lot of professional fighters who are in a position to actually do what you claim you would do, but they don't do they?

In any case they don't just give you 100k, you have to prove you are worth it, and sadly I think that's where your plan breaks down.

Never mind, you can still be a gobshite and an internet warrior, disrespecting the guys who aren't all mouth and trousers. We all excel at something

Boxing is cheap really. You go into a gym and in some cases what they care most about is getting the membership fee and then they care more about their own egos, their sons, their cousins, their rich neighbors kid etc and you run into all sorts of nonsense in those places and just in case you do make it to the pro's be ready for the crooked refs and judges and even if you become a superstar its possible that you'll end up with only 50k to your name like many well known fighters.

I'm an old fellow, done with my days of trying to prove myself and probably more affluent than 95% of the fighters that made it onto HBO cards but like so many others I had talent.