Canelo vs. Yildirim to be on Showtime

[Ruthless-RKO]

If Canelo really wants this belt, it may be on Uncle Al's terms..

DAZN, who Canelo is supposed to be exclusive to, have said no to the fight.. Can't justify paying soo much.. The whole point of the huge contract was that he fight top names.. Which he should..

Avni's manager Ahmet Oner has contacted Al Haymon in regards to negotiations..

If the fight was was to go to purse bids, then Avni's team will try to secure it and take it to Showtime..

Let's see if Canelo thanks Al at the end of the fight, like most boxers do..

[Evander]

No Idea who'll win this one

[Perseus]

As if it matters what Yilidrim's manager is doing or if they have an irrelevant purse bid.

If Canelo cared about the belt he would take the pay cut to fight for it on dazn vs taking an even bigger pay cut to fight for it on Showtime.

[Ruthless-RKO]

As if it matters what Yilidrim's manager is doing or if they have an irrelevant purse bid.

If Canelo cared about the belt he would take the pay cut to fight for it on dazn vs taking an even bigger pay cut to fight for it on Showtime.

Canelo asked for the title shot, so he DOES care.. I don't think DAZN would televise the fight despite Canelo taking a pay cut.. Depending on how much it would be.

Eventually, Canelo will back out..

Don't think GBP have good relations with Haymon.

[Enlightened-One]

If Canelo really wants this belt, it may be on Uncle Al's terms..

DAZN, who Canelo is supposed to be exclusive to, have said no to the fight.. Can't justify paying soo much.. The whole point of the huge contract was that he fight top names.. Which he should..

Avni's manager Ahmet Oner has contacted Al Haymon in regards to negotiations..

If the fight was was to go to purse bids, then Avni's team will try to secure it and take it to Showtime..

Let's see if Canelo thanks Al at the end of the fight, like most boxers do..

Canelo has an exclusive contract with DAZN.

If his team engages in the purse bid and is outbid by Yildrim's handlers that work with Showtime, the Mexican would renege on his contract with DAZN, leaving himself viable for a lawsuit.

We’ve seen similar situations like this before, such as when Gennadiy Golovkin and Sergey Kovalev both withdrew from purse bids, due to their exclusive contracts with HBO preventing them from competing on Showtime against Al Haymon fighters like Peter Quillin and Adonis Stevenson.

So I don’t expect Canelo to risk a multi-million-dollar lawsuit by participating in any purse bids that could potentially result in him competing on Showtime (at least whilst he’s contractually tied with DAZN).

The problem that GBP has is DAZN’s reluctance to abide by the terms of their eleven-fight $365m+ long-term deal with Canelo.

DAZN doesn’t want to pay Canelo his $33½m guarantee per bout. And DAZN has refused to sanction several names GBP have provided them with for the 12th September fight-date.

Simply put, DAZN wants the Mexican to accept a pay cut, but there is a contract in place that they themselves drew up and agreed to.

So Canelo is forced to remain inactive whilst DAZN continues to refuse to sanction any of his opponents. Who is he going to fight?

GGG himself, by his own admission, states that he’s not interested in facing Canelo next. He prefers to face Kamil Szeremeta instead, but that bout hasn’t been organised yet, despite the fact a deal has supposedly been in place since mid-October.

So what’s the hold-up for GGG’s bout? Does DAZN have the funds to pay Golovkin the guarantee that is part of the Kazakh’s $100m+ multi-fight deal?

Three of DAZN's biggest stars, Canelo, Golovkin and Anthony Joshua, don't have dates for their next bouts.

And if there aren’t any official announcements of their next fights by mid-September, then this could result in all three of these guys being inactive for more than an entire calendar year.

[Ruthless-RKO]

If Canelo really wants this belt, it may be on Uncle Al's terms..

DAZN, who Canelo is supposed to be exclusive to, have said no to the fight.. Can't justify paying soo much.. The whole point of the huge contract was that he fight top names.. Which he should..

Avni's manager Ahmet Oner has contacted Al Haymon in regards to negotiations..

If the fight was was to go to purse bids, then Avni's team will try to secure it and take it to Showtime..

Let's see if Canelo thanks Al at the end of the fight, like most boxers do..

Canelo has an exclusive contract with DAZN.

If his team engages in the purse bid and is outbid by Yildrim's handlers that work with Showtime, the Mexican would renege on his contract with DAZN, leaving himself viable for a lawsuit.

That's why I said, they'll pull out eventually.

[Enlightened-One]

If Canelo really wants this belt, it may be on Uncle Al's terms..

DAZN, who Canelo is supposed to be exclusive to, have said no to the fight.. Can't justify paying soo much.. The whole point of the huge contract was that he fight top names.. Which he should..

Avni's manager Ahmet Oner has contacted Al Haymon in regards to negotiations..

If the fight was was to go to purse bids, then Avni's team will try to secure it and take it to Showtime..

Let's see if Canelo thanks Al at the end of the fight, like most boxers do..

Canelo has an exclusive contract with DAZN.

If his team engages in the purse bid and is outbid by Yildrim's handlers that work with Showtime, the Mexican would renege on his contract with DAZN, leaving himself viable for a lawsuit.

That's why I said, they'll pull out eventually.

I think the bigger problem is DAZN’s biggest stars being forced to sit on the sidelines.

We’ve known about AJ and GGG’s next opponents for a very long time now and they don’t have confirmed fight-dates yet.

And DAZN’s attempts to raise cash, postponing payments and also trying to renegotiate their current deals has been well-publicised.

Apart from any UK bouts (that are probably funded by DAZN’s boxing content partner Sky Sports), DAZN aren’t covering any bouts (involving decent names) staged in the US, but Fox, Showtime, ESPN, CBS etc. are.

In fact, I can't actually find any confirmed dates yet for bouts staged in the US that are being broadcast by DAZN.

It's not just about Canelo struggling to find an opponent.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Canelo has an exclusive contract with DAZN.

If his team engages in the purse bid and is outbid by Yildrim's handlers that work with Showtime, the Mexican would renege on his contract with DAZN, leaving himself viable for a lawsuit.

That's why I said, they'll pull out eventually.

I think the bigger problem is DAZN’s biggest stars being forced to sit on the sidelines.

We’ve known about AJ and GGG’s next opponents for a very long time now and they don’t have confirmed fight-dates yet.

AJ fight is to be in the UK, that's mostly to do with Matchroom and Sky, as Sky Sports ppv will be the main revenue stream for that bout..

[Enlightened-One]

That's why I said, they'll pull out eventually.

I think the bigger problem is DAZN’s biggest stars being forced to sit on the sidelines.

We’ve known about AJ and GGG’s next opponents for a very long time now and they don’t have confirmed fight-dates yet.

AJ fight is to be in the UK, that's mostly to do with Matchroom and Sky, as Sky Sports ppv will be the main revenue stream for that bout..

Yeah, I agree. AJ can still compete on a Sky card, because it doesn't breach his contract with DAZN. So I think Joshua's bout against Pulev will be announced soon, though I expect it to be funded by Sky and not by DAZN.

The situation seems far worse for US-based fighters, because they won't have the luxury of the Sky Sports safety net to allow them to remain active. They'll be exclusively-tied to DAZN, either directly or via their own contracts with their promoters.

I just think that people are missing the point, by focussing too much on Canelo, whilst ignoring the predicament faced by all US fighters affiliated with DAZN.

[Ruthless-RKO]

The situation seems far worse for US-based fighters, because they won't have the luxury of the Sky Sports safety net to allow them to remain active. They'll be exclusively-tied to DAZN, either directly or via their own contracts with their promoters.

I just think that people are missing the point, by focussing too much on Canelo, whilst ignoring the predicament faced by all US fighters affiliated with DAZN.

Matchroom USA has put on one card.. No big names were used..

GBP has put on one card with Virgil Ortiz Jr..

The card for 28th Aug was recently re-scheduled..

PBC are going to be busy for the rest of the year and Top Rank have done well to keep most fighters active.

It's literally just DAZN.

[polecateddy]

I think every boxing fan should boycott this fight. Appalling matchmaking and a total junk mismatch. Let’s send a clear message!

[Enlightened-One]

The situation seems far worse for US-based fighters, because they won't have the luxury of the Sky Sports safety net to allow them to remain active. They'll be exclusively-tied to DAZN, either directly or via their own contracts with their promoters.

I just think that people are missing the point, by focussing too much on Canelo, whilst ignoring the predicament faced by all US fighters affiliated with DAZN.

Matchroom USA has put on one card.. No big names were used..

GBP has put on one card with Virgil Ortiz Jr..

The card for 28th Aug was recently re-scheduled..

PBC are going to be busy for the rest of the year and Top Rank have done well to keep most fighters active.

It's literally just DAZN.

Yep, I agree, and that is precisely what I claimed.

Golden Boy have only promoted one event since the 14th February and have nothing else in the pipeline.

GBP and DAZN announced a last-minute cancellation a few days ago of next weekend’s event, with no real reason given.

Perhaps this is the reason why Oscar De La Hoya announced his intention to make a comeback on the 25th June?

Matchroom US recently released Michael Hunter, citing the fact they couldn’t deliver any fights for him. And I expect the contracts for other US-based Eddie Hearn fighters being allowed to expire without renewal.

And Matchroom US are in the same situation as GBP, because they don’t have any meaningful boxing events scheduled on American shores either. They've also only promoted one (low-key) event in the US since the 29th February.

And apart from Vergil Ortiz’s outing on the 24th July, DAZN hasn’t covered any meaningful US-based boxing events since February.

DAZN spent hundreds of millions investing in building an 800K+ customer base in the US, but most of those subscribers have cancelled their subscriptions, due to a lack of sport being televised.

Unless the wealthy owners of DAZN are willing to keep dipping into their pockets to fund their loss-making streaming service, I can’t see how the business will be able to fulfil its contractual obligations, hence the Canelo situation.

[Enlightened-One]

I think every boxing fan should boycott this fight. Appalling matchmaking and a total junk mismatch. Let’s send a clear message!

There's no fight to boycott. Canelo isn't fighting Ylidrim.

[ldlamb]

A lot of people on here seem to think they know exactly what is in the Canelo/DAZN contract and what each person’s rights are to opt out, contingencies to change terms, or to claim breach.

And it seems they all think it’s a one page contract that says Canelo will fight 11 times on DAZN and only on DAZN no matter what and he will be paid exactly 365 million, no matter what.

I don’t know what is in the contract...but I can guarantee it’s not just that.

I am an attorney for my local government and we have 30 page contract full of contingencies just to hire a company to clean our courthouse bathrooms.

[margaret thatcher]

How do you rate the cleaning job bruh? Are your sh!tters sparkling?

[ldlamb]

They should be better.

But in this case most of the extra Coverage in the contract has to do with background checks for the staff and rules for when their employees have access to confidential information.

[Enlightened-One]

I am an attorney for my local government and we have 30 page contract full of contingencies just to hire a company to clean our courthouse bathrooms.

GBP have already complained about the reason for Canelo not fighting is because they're waiting for DAZN to fulfil its contractual obligations.

And as per the examples I've previously cited, when other fighers had exclusive contracts with networks (as per GGG's and Kovalev's ties to HBO), they weren't allowed to compete on rival networks (such as Showtime).

So this isn't mere guesswork or speculation, because one of the parties have openly discussed the matter.

For sure, we haven't seen the precise details of the contract, page-per-page, but we have to take the claims of one of the signatories in good faith.

[Tevfik1907]

Wow, this must be the next biggest boxing match for our country Turkey, we didn't have anything like this since the heavyweight european champ Sinan Şamil Sam, RIP.

[margaret thatcher]

Lol , do you really think this fight is gonna happen and be on showtime ruthy my man?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Lol , do you really think this fight is gonna happen and be on showtime ruthy my man?

No.. I just like starting threads.

[apollo creed]

Canelo ain't gonna fight on sho. wbc may adjust on the fly and make a new rule for Canelo. If wbc could elevate Jacobs as mandatory challenger for Canelo it would be fine for me.

[skanksta]

Lol , do you really think this fight is gonna happen and be on showtime ruthy my man?

No.. I just like starting threads.

chuckled at that

[Ruthless-RKO]

Canelo ain't gonna fight on sho. wbc may adjust on the fly and make a new rule for Canelo. If wbc could elevate Jacobs as mandatory challenger for Canelo it would be fine for me.

We already seen that one.. wasn’t the best fight.

[apollo creed]

Canelo ain't gonna fight on sho. wbc may adjust on the fly and make a new rule for Canelo. If wbc could elevate Jacobs as mandatory challenger for Canelo it would be fine for me.

We already seen that one.. wasn’t the best fight.

At 168 lbs Jacobs would be stronger.

[Enlightened-One]

Canelo ain't gonna fight on sho. wbc may adjust on the fly and make a new rule for Canelo. If wbc could elevate Jacobs as mandatory challenger for Canelo it would be fine for me.

We already seen that one.. wasn’t the best fight.

At 168 lbs Jacobs would be stronger.

Canelo doesn't need Jacobs, because the American doesn't have anything to offer. And apart from a very small minority, such as yourself, nobody wants to see the rematch.