Dub vs Joyce updated poll

[DrDuke]

I picked Dub to run through Gorman. I defo think Joyce is a level above Nate, but I see Dub as a pretty top tier talent with elite world class potential, and like him to pass this test too. Either way though I'm super stoked for this......it's a fight I never saw being made as long as they were both undefeated

I picked Dub to KO Gorman as well and I also agree on Dun having elite World class potential. He's big, he's technical, he's fast, he's hard-hitting, he can put punches together well. If he wins Joyce and then passes a couple more tests, he'll be in a contender's spot, by his about 20th fight.

[Cyclops]

Another one here for youth and power to overcome rugged experience.

Too many are shouting about Joyce having been in with Jennings & Stiverne but lets face it the heavyweight division is hardly lacking in depth.

I don't think experience has too much bearing on this one.

I'm not. Those are decent wins but they showed his clear shortcomings. I'm banging on about his amateur career and about how many of those fights against top tier opponents where he dug in and won ON POINTS. He didn't just score some lucky punch or overwhelm these top class amateurs to a stoppage while eating punches. He can box. He fought everybody. He even went in with the future HOF P4P top 10 unified cruiserweight champion who beat everybody in their back yards and had also won a gold medal at heavyweight PRIOR to fighting Joyce, after only fighting for two years. Of course Usyk was going to beat him. Joyce never stops coming in that fight and lands plenty on Usyk. There is no disgrace in that. Tony Yoka doesn't want anything to do with him since he robbed him of gold. I haven't seen that fight since I watched it live and that's because it's buried. Someone on here told me it was on Youtube and when I asked for a link nobody could give me one.

Dubois has a shallow amateur career and a shallow professional record. I know he's good and he might make me look stupid but Joyce has repeatedly shown character against attrition and Dubois is a can crusher whose only win of note was a naturally much smaller fat hairy bloke who was vaguely related to Tyson Fury and so got a bit of promotional backing.

Anyway, keep bigging up Dubois to give me better odds for when I bet on Joyce.

[Coco]

Managerial wise is it a mistake matching these two?

You could easily keep them winning for the next couple of years fighting the likes of Wach, Martin, Breazedale, Takam, Price, Schwartz, Wallin and Hammer and the shot would come without much risk.

This could easily be a career ending fight for either one.

[DrDuke]

Managerial wise is it a mistake matching these two?

You could easily keep them winning for the next couple of years fighting the likes of Wach, Martin, Breazedale, Takam, Price, Schwartz, Wallin and Hammer and the shot would come without much risk.

This could easily be a career ending fight for either one.

Nah, it's a great matchup and it's far more interesting to watch in comparison to tracking of prospects on a lower class opposition.

[Coco]

Managerial wise is it a mistake matching these two?

You could easily keep them winning for the next couple of years fighting the likes of Wach, Martin, Breazedale, Takam, Price, Schwartz, Wallin and Hammer and the shot would come without much risk.

This could easily be a career ending fight for either one.

Nah, it's a great matchup and it's far more interesting to watch in comparison to tracking of prospects on a lower class opposition.

Of course that for the fans but I'm talking from a managers point of view

[Cyclops]

Managerial wise is it a mistake matching these two?

You could easily keep them winning for the next couple of years fighting the likes of Wach, Martin, Breazedale, Takam, Price, Schwartz, Wallin and Hammer and the shot would come without much risk.

This could easily be a career ending fight for either one.

Personally I think so as I am a fan of both and while I had tickets for the fight (and it IS a great fight)I'd rather they carried on building them both as I don't really want either to lose. The more Fwank talks about it the more I think he wants Daniel in with more cans and Joyce in with more faded contenders, and not each other.

[Gnome]

What's Dubois' stamina like?

[Coco]

What's Dubois' stamina like?

We don't know! Normally big guys and big punchers like him don't have the stamina.

Looking at the Johnson fight, he did the distance easily but he set the pace, different thing when you are getting pushed back.

[margaret thatcher]

Managerial wise is it a mistake matching these two?

You could easily keep them winning for the next couple of years fighting the likes of Wach, Martin, Breazedale, Takam, Price, Schwartz, Wallin and Hammer and the shot would come without much risk.

This could easily be a career ending fight for either one.

Nah, it's a great matchup and it's far more interesting to watch in comparison to tracking of prospects on a lower class opposition.

Of course that for the fans but I'm talking from a managers point of view

Ya, I love the fight but I didn't think it would happen until at least 1 of them had a loss. I would've thought they woulda tried to keep Joyce around longer with that gold belt stuff and try to get him a shot at a title (even if a regular or interim one). To keep him going longer and build him more basically. If he gets crushed here he's a 35 year old coming off a crushing, who hasnt really done much yet

And if he wins it's a setback for Fwanks young golden hen, though of course he has time to bounce backl

[keirw]

Managerial wise is it a mistake matching these two?

You could easily keep them winning for the next couple of years fighting the likes of Wach, Martin, Breazedale, Takam, Price, Schwartz, Wallin and Hammer and the shot would come without much risk.

This could easily be a career ending fight for either one.

From Dubois point of view this is definitely true, but Joyce is the wrong side of 30.

Not on his last legs by any stretch, but has little time to waste. If he doesn't get a shot in the next couple years it will be too late for him.
He needs to be fighting ranked guys and building his profile (also making money) constantly.

[Gnome]

What's Dubois' stamina like?

We don't know! Normally big guys and big punchers like him don't have the stamina.

Looking at the Johnson fight, he did the distance easily but he set the pace, different thing when you are getting pushed back.

Cheers. I'm leaning towards Joyce, he's more tested.

[Coco]

Managerial wise is it a mistake matching these two?

You could easily keep them winning for the next couple of years fighting the likes of Wach, Martin, Breazedale, Takam, Price, Schwartz, Wallin and Hammer and the shot would come without much risk.

This could easily be a career ending fight for either one.

From Dubois point of view this is definitely true, but Joyce is the wrong side of 30.

Not on his last legs by any stretch, but has little time to waste. If he doesn't get a shot in the next couple years it will be too late for him.
He needs to be fighting ranked guys and building his profile (also making money) constantly.

Yeah but DDD isn't really ranked either, imagine if Joyce exposed him for a Pele Reid type, it wouldn't do him a lot of good and of course getting beat won't do him any good either!

[margaret thatcher]

Ya, if Joyce beats Dub, can we say that he's just beat some top contender or anything, or will it looked more like he beat a promising prospect who people will inevitably call overrated and green?

[margaret thatcher]

Joyce was dropped and stopped by Sergey Kuzmin in the ams Cokes. Think he got stopped another time but not sure if he was down in that. Hurt to the body a bit by Jennings, but havent seen him hurt to the head as a pro or in WSB.

[Grilling Machine]

Weird to me how the polls have changed so much, when the only new thing since the last poll (which heavily favoured dub) was that they both easily won 'keep busy' fights over weak opponents

what gives

Dub's had three knockovers in a row. Had he just KO'd Pfeifer I reckon he'd still be favourite.

[keirw]

Managerial wise is it a mistake matching these two?

You could easily keep them winning for the next couple of years fighting the likes of Wach, Martin, Breazedale, Takam, Price, Schwartz, Wallin and Hammer and the shot would come without much risk.

This could easily be a career ending fight for either one.

From Dubois point of view this is definitely true, but Joyce is the wrong side of 30.

Not on his last legs by any stretch, but has little time to waste. If he doesn't get a shot in the next couple years it will be too late for him.
He needs to be fighting ranked guys and building his profile (also making money) constantly.

Yeah but DDD isn't really ranked either, imagine if Joyce exposed him for a Pele Reid type, it wouldn't do him a lot of good and of course getting beat won't do him any good either!

Dubois is ranked 3rd in the WBO, the fight will generate huge buzz in the UK (where both current champs are from) and will pay well as Frank will look to do it on PPV (no doubt advertised heavily during all BTs football footage in the weeks building up to it).

One could argue that, although it is a potentially dangerous assignment, it is exactly the kind of fight Joyce should take at this point.

[Fightnight Scores]

Ya, if Joyce beats Dub, can we say that he's just beat some top contender or anything, or will it looked more like he beat a promising prospect who people will inevitably call overrated and green?

Think Joyce is in a no win situation really. He wins and Dubois was just a green prospect, he loses and he's lost to a green prospect with age against him.

Maybe Frank will milk them a bit longer before they go in the ring

[Fightnight Scores]

Another one here for youth and power to overcome rugged experience.

Too many are shouting about Joyce having been in with Jennings & Stiverne but lets face it the heavyweight division is hardly lacking in depth.

I don't think experience has too much bearing on this one.

I'm not. Those are decent wins but they showed his clear shortcomings. I'm banging on about his amateur career and about how many of those fights against top tier opponents where he dug in and won ON POINTS. He didn't just score some lucky punch or overwhelm these top class amateurs to a stoppage while eating punches. He can box. He fought everybody. He even went in with the future HOF P4P top 10 unified cruiserweight champion who beat everybody in their back yards and had also won a gold medal at heavyweight PRIOR to fighting Joyce, after only fighting for two years. Of course Usyk was going to beat him. Joyce never stops coming in that fight and lands plenty on Usyk. There is no disgrace in that. Tony Yoka doesn't want anything to do with him since he robbed him of gold. I haven't seen that fight since I watched it live and that's because it's buried. Someone on here told me it was on Youtube and when I asked for a link nobody could give me one.

Dubois has a shallow amateur career and a shallow professional record. I know he's good and he might make me look stupid but Joyce has repeatedly shown character against attrition and Dubois is a can crusher whose only win of note was a naturally much smaller fat hairy bloke who was vaguely related to Tyson Fury and so got a bit of promotional backing.

Anyway, keep bigging up Dubois to give me better odds for when I bet on Joyce.

That's perfectly reasoned and fair enough.

Obviously Dubois doesn't have the track record to compare, he's come straight into the pros without much experience and a lot of what people base their predictions on is the experience. But talent and raw power could easily prevail over all the experience in the world.

I'm not absolutely convinced Dubois will take Joyce out, but he remains my pick.

In a similar vein I picked Yarde to beat Kovalev.....going with youth and power over wily experience, but also guessed that Kovs better days were behind him and it was maybe the right timing for him to get the win there. Wrong on that one, and could be wrong again here!

It's a very interesting match up, IF it ever happens!

[Coco]

From Dubois point of view this is definitely true, but Joyce is the wrong side of 30.

Not on his last legs by any stretch, but has little time to waste. If he doesn't get a shot in the next couple years it will be too late for him.
He needs to be fighting ranked guys and building his profile (also making money) constantly.

Yeah but DDD isn't really ranked either, imagine if Joyce exposed him for a Pele Reid type, it wouldn't do him a lot of good and of course getting beat won't do him any good either!

Dubois is ranked 3rd in the WBO, the fight will generate huge buzz in the UK (where both current champs are from) and will pay well as Frank will look to do it on PPV (no doubt advertised heavily during all BTs football footage in the weeks building up to it).

One could argue that, although it is a potentially dangerous assignment, it is exactly the kind of fight Joyce should take at this point.

I just had a look at the rankings, the WBO ranking is def worth something even though there are easier ways to get it!
Dangerous, mouthwatering fight.
Looking at the ratings, the WBA are great! Manual Charr is still interim champ after not fighting for 3 years, Trevor Bryan is number one after not fighting for 2 years and Fres Oquendo is number 15 after not fighting for 6 years! Adam Kowalski is still number 5 after being knocked out by Helenius who isn't ranked!

[keirw]

Yeah but DDD isn't really ranked either, imagine if Joyce exposed him for a Pele Reid type, it wouldn't do him a lot of good and of course getting beat won't do him any good either!

Dubois is ranked 3rd in the WBO, the fight will generate huge buzz in the UK (where both current champs are from) and will pay well as Frank will look to do it on PPV (no doubt advertised heavily during all BTs football footage in the weeks building up to it).

One could argue that, although it is a potentially dangerous assignment, it is exactly the kind of fight Joyce should take at this point.

I just had a look at the rankings, the WBO ranking is def worth something even though there are easier ways to get it!
Dangerous, mouthwatering fight.
Looking at the ratings, the WBA are great! Manual Charr is still interim champ after not fighting for 3 years, Trevor Bryan is number one after not fighting for 2 years and Fres Oquendo is number 15 after not fighting for 6 years! Adam Kowalski is still number 5 after being knocked out by Helenius who isn't ranked!

Rankings can be a joke sometimes , no doubt about that.

Let's face it, we all knew Dubois would have a high WBO ranking without even checking just because of who his promoter is.

[Nondescript]

A lot of HW boxers look amazing when fighting cruiserweights and low level guys. We simply know how good he is, as he's never fought anyone of note.

Gorman looked better than any Joe's win. The likes of Kiladze and Ustinov are mediocre, the likes of Jennings and Stiverne are declining. Dub crushed the same rising prospect confidently.

I think Jennings is better than Gorman, although that was also a somewhat close fight for Joe despite the cards and I didn't watch that and really get the impression that Joyce was particularly powerful or anything like that. More that he could at least keep his punches going in decent volume over 12 for a hw, which tbf is a legit strength

That shouldn't be up for debate should it ha.

[Nondescript]

Managerial wise is it a mistake matching these two?

You could easily keep them winning for the next couple of years fighting the likes of Wach, Martin, Breazedale, Takam, Price, Schwartz, Wallin and Hammer and the shot would come without much risk.

This could easily be a career ending fight for either one.

Personally I think so as I am a fan of both and while I had tickets for the fight (and it IS a great fight)I'd rather they carried on building them both as I don't really want either to lose. The more Fwank talks about it the more I think he wants Daniel in with more cans and Joyce in with more faded contenders, and not each other.

That's what makes boxing shit to watch a lot of the time though and the UFC a superior product. You actually see the top contenders fighting one another.

[a93]

Managerial wise is it a mistake matching these two?

You could easily keep them winning for the next couple of years fighting the likes of Wach, Martin, Breazedale, Takam, Price, Schwartz, Wallin and Hammer and the shot would come without much risk.

This could easily be a career ending fight for either one.

I like that about Warren. He doesn’t mind chucking 2 of his guys in together like he did with DD and Gorman. Joyce has a lot more to lose this time with time against him.

[Nondescript]

Interesting fight. Dubois is definitely the better technician/boxer of the two, which is surprising considering that Joyce was a truly world class amateur, but at the same time Joyce is a big old unit who can punch, has a decent chin, is high volume and unless gets clipped very early will drag Dubois into deep waters I think. Daniel has had everything his own way so far as a pro and hasnt even really had to show any kind of heart or dig deep.

The fight will show if Dubois is truly a world class prospect or not, whereas if Joyce wins I think he'll be there or thereabouts with the other contenders, but is never really going to provide a threat to the likes of Fury or AJ.

[margaret thatcher]

Ya Jen better than Gorm no doubt