Crawford - Spence rivalry

[sykessta]

The Brook fight is a waste of time, the man is shot to pieces along with Khan.

It will help him out with British fans maybe. Not sure I'm American. Not talking skill but fights against a name oppenent still can help you from a marketing standpoint.

[IRONFIST]

The Brook fight is a waste of time, the man is shot to pieces along with Khan.

It will help him out with British fans maybe. Not sure I'm American. Not talking skill but fights against a name oppenent still can help you from a marketing standpoint.

Nah I doubt it. We've seen Crawford already school Burns and Khan. We Brits already know he's on a different level. The Spence bout is the fight us boxing fans want to see.

[H8Usernames]

What rivalry? Crawford is saying "lets fight" and Spence says "not gonna happen I'm a fraud". This fight is never going to happen.

[sykessta]

Crawford can say that publicly all he wants knowing damn well it won't happen with him being with Top Rank.

[IKSRTFO]

Crawford can say that publicly all he wants knowing damn well it won't happen with him being with Top Rank.

So what. Diaz, Gamboa, Burns, Indongo, and Khan weren't with Top Rank when Crawford fought them.

[Enlightened-One]

Crawford can say that publicly all he wants knowing damn well it won't happen with him being with Top Rank.

So what. Diaz, Gamboa, Burns, Indongo, and Khan weren't with Top Rank when Crawford fought them.

I don’t think you understand how boxing politics works. And I’m not being derogatory when I say that either.

The entire media, the vast majority of BoxRec forum members and myself laboured over the obvious fact that Crawford’s decision to extend his contract with ESPN, guaranteeing him at least $3m per-bout, would scupper hos chances of facing any of the top dogs fighting under the PBC banner.

In fact, three months before Crawford even extended his contract with ESPN (January 2018), I accurately predicted the consequences of Bud’s actions if he chose to remain with Bob Arum instead of joining the PBC.

Do you want to read it? I don’t claim to be the second coming of Nostradamus, since I only conveyed easily-accessible common knowledge.

Anyway, if you look at The RING’s, TBRB and ESPN’s ratings, who are most the best fighters competing at 147lbs affiliated to?

Also, look at Crawford’s resume at 147lbs and see if you can notice a rather obvious pattern.

[Enlightened-One]

Shawn Porter has been told by the head honchos at the PBC that will face the winner of the Spence Jr-Garcia fight.

So there’s obviously not going to be any Crawford-Spence Jr. bout happening anytime soon.

[IKSRTFO]

Crawford can say that publicly all he wants knowing damn well it won't happen with him being with Top Rank.

So what. Diaz, Gamboa, Burns, Indongo, and Khan weren't with Top Rank when Crawford fought them.

I don’t think you understand how boxing politics works. And I’m not being derogatory when I say that either.

The entire media, the vast majority of BoxRec forum members and myself laboured over the obvious fact that Crawford’s decision to extend his contract with ESPN, guaranteeing him at least $3m per-bout, would scupper hos chances of facing any of the top dogs fighting under the PBC banner.

In fact, three months before Crawford even extended his contract with ESPN (January 2018), I accurately predicted the consequences of Bud’s actions if he chose to remain with Bob Arum instead of joining the PBC.

Do you want to read it? I don’t claim to be the second coming of Nostradamus, since I only conveyed easily-accessible common knowledge.

Anyway, if you look at The RING’s, TBRB and ESPN’s ratings, who are most the best fighters competing at 147lbs affiliated to?

Also, look at Crawford’s resume at 147lbs and see if you can notice a rather obvious pattern.

Be quiet EO. We've been over this plenty of times and you're like a broken record.

[H8Usernames]

Crawford can say that publicly all he wants knowing damn well it won't happen with him being with Top Rank.

Errol is not the first fighter to hide behind his promoter. I ain't buying it. If he'd push his promoter hard enough then he would get the fight. He just doesn't want it since it's a fight that he can not win.

[sykessta]

Crawford can say that publicly all he wants knowing damn well it won't happen with him being with Top Rank.

Errol is not the first fighter to hide behind his promoter. I ain't buying it. If he'd push his promoter hard enough then he would get the fight. He just doesn't want it since it's a fight that he can not win.

Idk man. You may be right. But all I know is if Bud wanted that fight as bad as he claims he wouldn't have signed the extension with TR. As EO stated, all the other top guys at WW are with PBC. I think both of them are gonna keep running their mouths about each other while being comfortable making millions fighting lesser opponents and protecting their 0. The fight will happen one day I'm sure but in my personal opinion I think neither of them are in a huge rush to fight each other until either the fans won't watch any other fight aside from each other or they are nearing the end of their careers for a big cash out fight.

[Enlightened-One]

Be quiet EO. We've been over this plenty of times and you're like a broken record.

OK, I submitted the following post during January 2018, nine months prior to Crawford agreeing to extend his contract with Top Rank, when he received a $3m minimum guarantee per bout:

Top Rank took over the promotional rights of Terence Crawford from TKO Boxing Promotions on the 16th June, 2011.

Terence Crawford then agreed to extend his contract with Bob Arum’s company when he signed a three-year extension on the September 16th 2014, which means it’s due to expire in nine months’ time.

Apparently Bob Arum is trying to orchestrate a bout between Terence Crawford and Jeff Horn for the 21st April at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas, which will be Bud’s first bout at 147lbs after enduring an eight month period of inactivity, with the American currently being 30lbs overweight.

It seems that the vast majority of the top-ten world-rated, big name and governing body ranked 147lb-ers are aligned with Al Haymon, such as:

• Keith Thurman
• Errol Spence Jr.
• Shawn Porter
• Danny Garcia
• Lamont Peterson
• Jessie Vargas
• Andre Berto
• Luis Collazo
• Devon Alexander
• Adrien Broner
• Omar Figueroa Jr.
• Victor Ortiz
• Jamal James
• Fabian Maidana

Bob Arum has stated on several occasions that Haymon’s boxers are overpaid, with the likes of Thurman and Garcia commanding double the purses that Crawford is currently earning, which is one of the reasons why we don’t get to see many of the PBC’s fighters facing those being promoted by Top Rank.

There’s hardly any evidence of fights being staged between Haymon and Top Rank affiliated fighters, which means that Terence Crawford may never get to fulfil his ambition of facing all of the top dogs in the welterweight division.

Therefore, will Terence Crawford consider leaving Top Rank during 2018 if they cannot promise to deliver him the biggest fights at 147lbs?

As frustrating as this might be for you to concede, you’ll surely appreciate the undeniable factual accuracy of each of the claims I made in the above post, which were merely considered common knowledge at the time.

You even posted a comment to the same thread the above post was submitted to. So you must have known about Crawford’s situation too.

I can also provide links to several media articles whereby the likes of Dan Rafael and Dougie Fischer were saying the same things.

And let’s be perfectly honest, if beating the likes of Spence Jr., Pacquiao, Thurman, Porter & Garcia were high on Terence Crawford’s list of priorities, he wouldn’t have extended his contract with Bob Arum’s Top Rank a couple of years ago.

Bud must have surely known that not signing with the PBC would limit his opportunities, because everyone else certainly did!

Therefore, the American obviously preferred to cash in Top Rank/ESPN’s cheques rather than engage in legacy bouts.

[Enlightened-One]

Shawn Porter has been told by the head honchos at the PBC that will face the winner of the Spence Jr-Garcia fight.

So there’s obviously not going to be any Crawford-Spence Jr. bout happening anytime soon.

Anyone that genuinely believes Crawford has sufficient influence over Top Rank to orchestrate bouts against anyone he damn well pleases, such as Pacquiao and Spence Jr., are seriously deluded!

[Ruthless-RKO]

The Brook fight is a waste of time, the man is shot to pieces along with Khan.

Khan vs. Brook for the WBC Shot Championship

[IRONFIST]

The Brook fight is a waste of time, the man is shot to pieces along with Khan.

Khan vs. Brook for the WBC Shot Championship

British fans are long past caring about that showdown now. Both are shot to heck, have them fight for the British title as a farewell pension fight.

[Bandog]

I think after Spence/Danny Garcia and a Spence/Porter rematch or Pacquiao, Spence and Crawford will fight possibly late 2021. They have been talking and both want it to be a big money fight. In the meantime hopefully Crawford will fight Brook and maybe Thurman. (a non-ped tested Pac would be good too) Beating Khan isn't exactly a resume builder these days. BTW Danny Garcia is a ballsy match for Spence for a 1st fight after his accident. Not a lock.

[Syntax Error]

I think after Spence/Danny Garcia and a Spence/Porter rematch or Pacquiao, Spence and Crawford will fight possibly late 2021. They have been talking and both want it to be a big money fight. In the meantime hopefully Crawford will fight Brook and maybe Thurman. (a non-ped tested Pac would be good too) Beating Khan isn't exactly a resume builder these days. BTW Danny Garcia is a ballsy match for Spence for a 1st fight after his accident. Not a lock.

Agree with this.

Spence taking on Garcia is the measure of the man.

Garcia is a very dangerous proposition for anyone, let alone someone who has suffered potentially life changing injuries in a car crash.

[Onetimeonly]

So what. Diaz, Gamboa, Burns, Indongo, and Khan weren't with Top Rank when Crawford fought them.

I don’t think you understand how boxing politics works. And I’m not being derogatory when I say that either.

The entire media, the vast majority of BoxRec forum members and myself laboured over the obvious fact that Crawford’s decision to extend his contract with ESPN, guaranteeing him at least $3m per-bout, would scupper hos chances of facing any of the top dogs fighting under the PBC banner.

In fact, three months before Crawford even extended his contract with ESPN (January 2018), I accurately predicted the consequences of Bud’s actions if he chose to remain with Bob Arum instead of joining the PBC.

Do you want to read it? I don’t claim to be the second coming of Nostradamus, since I only conveyed easily-accessible common knowledge.

Anyway, if you look at The RING’s, TBRB and ESPN’s ratings, who are most the best fighters competing at 147lbs affiliated to?

Also, look at Crawford’s resume at 147lbs and see if you can notice a rather obvious pattern.

Be quiet EO. We've been over this plenty of times and you're like a broken record.

Lol, Crawford bad.