Thoughts about Jermell Charlo?

[Cent0089]

That's all I'm saying that it is a debatable point. I'm Alcine( though faded, Vanes) are couple of more quality wins. Do you believe Harrison beat Charlo the first fight. Yes I know you might say it was close. Simply who you thought won that first fight?

I dont think he lost to Harrison. But IMO he lost to Martyrosian. And IMO Beterbiev is higher on P4P list than Charlo, despite he has some really impressive wins

Why do you consider Beterbiev higher? Is there anything other than the Gzyvodzk win?

That savage beating he delivered to Kalajdzic is also respectable. Kalajdzic was practicaly unbeaten for everybody who saw Browne fight. You can also rate Koelling and Callum Johnson somewhere on Tony Harrison and Erickson Lubin level which are Charlo best wins. On the other side, Charlo is younger and he just take another belts to the colection from decent oponent. Meantime, Beterbiev 35 years old, probably finish his prime years with idiotic fights with Adam Deines and Meng Fanlong LOL.

[world ranked]

I dont think he lost to Harrison. But IMO he lost to Martyrosian. And IMO Beterbiev is higher on P4P list than Charlo, despite he has some really impressive wins

Why do you consider Beterbiev higher? Is there anything other than the Gzyvodzk win?

That savage beating he delivered to Kalajdzic is also respectable. Kalajdzic was practicaly unbeaten for everybody who saw Browne fight. You can also rate Koelling and Callum Johnson somewhere on Tony Harrison and Erickson Lubin level which are Charlo best wins. On the other side, Charlo is younger and he just take another belts to the colection from decent oponent. Meantime, Beterbiev 35 years old, probably finish his prime years with idiotic fights with Adam Deines and Meng Fanlong LOL.

I concede Kalajdzic but Callum Johnson is on Harrison level based on what?

[Cent0089]

Why do you consider Beterbiev higher? Is there anything other than the Gzyvodzk win?

That savage beating he delivered to Kalajdzic is also respectable. Kalajdzic was practicaly unbeaten for everybody who saw Browne fight. You can also rate Koelling and Callum Johnson somewhere on Tony Harrison and Erickson Lubin level which are Charlo best wins. On the other side, Charlo is younger and he just take another belts to the colection from decent oponent. Meantime, Beterbiev 35 years old, probably finish his prime years with idiotic fights with Adam Deines and Meng Fanlong LOL.

I concede Kalajdzic but Callum Johnson is on Harrison level based on what?

My opinion

[margaret thatcher]

your opinion is not acceptable!! jermell rates higher

[Cent0089]

your opinion is not acceptable!! jermell rates higher

OK

[margaret thatcher]

[world ranked]

That savage beating he delivered to Kalajdzic is also respectable. Kalajdzic was practicaly unbeaten for everybody who saw Browne fight. You can also rate Koelling and Callum Johnson somewhere on Tony Harrison and Erickson Lubin level which are Charlo best wins. On the other side, Charlo is younger and he just take another belts to the colection from decent oponent. Meantime, Beterbiev 35 years old, probably finish his prime years with idiotic fights with Adam Deines and Meng Fanlong LOL.

I concede Kalajdzic but Callum Johnson is on Harrison level based on what?

My opinion

Oh not on actually what he did in the ring while Harrison became a world champ. Callum Johnson beat nobody got it. At least have some type of tangible thought to back up your opinion. A fact is Harrison was a world champ and Callum Johnson was not and beat nobody that higher than Brittish level.

[Cent0089]

I concede Kalajdzic but Callum Johnson is on Harrison level based on what?

My opinion

Oh not on actually what he did in the ring while Harrison became a world champ. Callum Johnson beat nobody got it. At least have some type of tangible thought to back up your opinion. A fact is Harrison was a world champ and Callum Johnson was not and beat nobody that higher than Brittish level.

Well Harrison have a bit better resume than Johnson, but Johnson was undefeated, while harrison had 2 stoppage losses prior Charlo fight.

[gilgamesh]

I wouldn't have him in the P4P Top 10, but yeah there ain't really a lot of fights left for him at 154 of note.

[world ranked]

My opinion

Oh not on actually what he did in the ring while Harrison became a world champ. Callum Johnson beat nobody got it. At least have some type of tangible thought to back up your opinion. A fact is Harrison was a world champ and Callum Johnson was not and beat nobody that higher than Brittish level.

Well Harrison have a bit better resume than Johnson, but Johnson was undefeated, while harrison had 2 stoppage losses prior Charlo fight.

Who he lost to matters and he you beat matter. Just because you undefeated means nothing he you didn't beat anyone. I never knew a world champ with two knockout loses and good wins is worse than an fighter who hasn't done anything.

[Cent0089]

Oh not on actually what he did in the ring while Harrison became a world champ. Callum Johnson beat nobody got it. At least have some type of tangible thought to back up your opinion. A fact is Harrison was a world champ and Callum Johnson was not and beat nobody that higher than Brittish level.

Well Harrison have a bit better resume than Johnson, but Johnson was undefeated, while harrison had 2 stoppage losses prior Charlo fight.

Who he lost to matters and he you beat matter. Just because you undefeated means nothing he you didn't beat anyone. I never knew a world champ with two knockout loses and good wins is worse than an fighter who hasn't done anything.

I did not say Harrison is worse than Johnson. Ive said they are on the same level. Anyway, all i wrote is my opinion, please respect that just as i respect yours

[margaret thatcher]

lol sure, you think it's very debatable world my man

[world ranked]

Well Harrison have a bit better resume than Johnson, but Johnson was undefeated, while harrison had 2 stoppage losses prior Charlo fight.

Who he lost to matters and he you beat matter. Just because you undefeated means nothing he you didn't beat anyone. I never knew a world champ with two knockout loses and good wins is worse than an fighter who hasn't done anything.

I did not say Harrison is worse than Johnson. Ive said they are on the same level. Anyway, all i wrote is my opinion, please respect that just as i respect yours

I respect your opinion. I'm just trying to get the logic in the opinion. But doesn't seem to be any logic in it that's all.

[world ranked]

lol sure, you think it's very debatable world my man

Do you think Callum Johnson is same level as Harrison and if so why?

[margaret thatcher]

i dunno, never really thought about it

do you think charlo is for sure p4p above bert, or is it debatable like you said earlier? cause you seem really fired up about proving otherwise

[gilgamesh]

i dunno, never really thought about it

do you think charlo is for sure p4p above bert, or is it debatable like you said earlier? cause you seem really fired up about proving otherwise

Who's Bert?

[world ranked]

i dunno, never really thought about it

do you think charlo is for sure p4p above bert, or is it debatable like you said earlier? cause you seem really fired up about proving otherwise

Depth of resume has to account for something but now I seem more disappointed that people think a guy former champ who has a better resume is the same as guy who done nothing above domestic level the same. I understand people have opinions I just hoping some would come with some reason behind it other than just saying its my opinion.

[gilgamesh]

i dunno, never really thought about it

do you think charlo is for sure p4p above bert, or is it debatable like you said earlier? cause you seem really fired up about proving otherwise

Depth of resume has to account for something but now I seem more disappointed that people think a guy former champ who has a better resume is the same as guy who done nothing above domestic level the same. I understand people have opinions I just hoping some would come with some reason behind it other than just saying its my opinion.

For the record Harrison never deserved his title in the first place. That's why he didn't keep it. That's why he COULDN'T keep it.

That being said he's probably better than Callum Johnson. Off hand I can't even put a face to the name with him so he certainly didn't make any impression on me.

[margaret thatcher]

bert is berterbiev....what is his argument over charlo? is it a rational argument?

[gilgamesh]

bert is berterbiev....what is his argument over charlo? is it a rational argument?

I mean I don't have either one of 'em P4P Top 10. I'd probably have Jermell slightly ahead of Beterbiev though, but they're close.

[Cent0089]

lol sure, you think it's very debatable world my man

Do you think Callum Johnson is same level as Harrison and if so why?

Because Harrison also did not beat anybody better that this "british level" . Other than close first fight with Charlo (which he lost IMO) his best wins are Ishe Smith and Tyrone Brunson. They are equivalents for Frank Buglioni and Sean Monaghan.

[world ranked]

lol sure, you think it's very debatable world my man

Do you think Callum Johnson is same level as Harrison and if so why?

Because Harrison also did not beat anybody better that this "british level" . Other than close first fight with Charlo (which he lost IMO) his best wins are Ishe Smith and Tyrone Brunson. They are equivalents for Frank Buglioni and Sean Monaghan.

You can't say other than Charlo and there's no other than for Johnson and secondly wasn't Ishe Smith a world champ? Harrison beat two champs how many Johnson beat?

[gilgamesh]

lol sure, you think it's very debatable world my man

Do you think Callum Johnson is same level as Harrison and if so why?

Because Harrison also did not beat anybody better that this "british level" . Other than close first fight with Charlo (which he lost IMO) his best wins are Ishe Smith and Tyrone Brunson. They are equivalents for Frank Buglioni and Sean Monaghan.

Nah. I'd put Ishe Smith over either one of those guys, and that's saying something because I can't stand Ishe Smith and for quite a while considered him one of my most hated boxers.

[world ranked]

Do you think Callum Johnson is same level as Harrison and if so why?

Because Harrison also did not beat anybody better that this "british level" . Other than close first fight with Charlo (which he lost IMO) his best wins are Ishe Smith and Tyrone Brunson. They are equivalents for Frank Buglioni and Sean Monaghan.

Nah. I'd put Ishe Smith over either one of those guys, and that's saying something because I can't stand Ishe Smith and for quite a while considered him one of my most hated boxers.

Thank you someone who has knowledge of levels of wins.

[margaret thatcher]

so what exactly is berterbiev's argument that you think makes this debatable, world my man?