Lennox Lewis is the GOAT

[edsnowden]

God you're retarded.

He dumped the WBA belt for a gimme with Grant.

He dumped the IBF for a gimme rematch with the corpse of Tyson, who he had already beaten to death.

Vitali was a last minute sub for Kirk Johnson. Kirk Johnson! The man who lost to John Ruiz!!

So you're acting as if I don't know what I'm talking about, and you think his fight with Tyson was a rematch?

You clearly weren't following boxing at the time. Lennox Lewis was pursuing a 2003 rematch with Mike Tyson. Hence why they were asking Tyson about it post Etienne.

The fact you don't know what was going on in 2003 is why you have no clue that Bowe and Lewis signed to fight each other in 1994, and that Bowe and HBO tried to put together a fight with him again in 1996.

What does it matter? Look at Lewis resume...... Look at Bowe's. Whose is better? Hint Hint Lewis beat everyone he faced and a ton of talent. Lewis beat at least 4 former major belt holders.....

[Onamastus]

So you're acting as if I don't know what I'm talking about, and you think his fight with Tyson was a rematch?

You clearly weren't following boxing at the time. Lennox Lewis was pursuing a 2003 rematch with Mike Tyson. Hence why they were asking Tyson about it post Etienne.

The fact you don't know what was going on in 2003 is why you have no clue that Bowe and Lewis signed to fight each other in 1994, and that Bowe and HBO tried to put together a fight with him again in 1996.

I was following Boxing as intently as a human being possibly can in this time period.

You're a retard who refuses to take in facts that contradict your uninformed narrative.

Bowe and Lewis signed to fight each other in 1994. Bowe had to beat Larry Donald, Lewis had to beat Mccall, then TVKO superfight in spring 1995.

That happened in the real world, and can easily be verified.

[gilgamesh]

You clearly weren't following boxing at the time. Lennox Lewis was pursuing a 2003 rematch with Mike Tyson. Hence why they were asking Tyson about it post Etienne.

The fact you don't know what was going on in 2003 is why you have no clue that Bowe and Lewis signed to fight each other in 1994, and that Bowe and HBO tried to put together a fight with him again in 1996.

I was following Boxing as intently as a human being possibly can in this time period.

You're a retard who refuses to take in facts that contradict your uninformed narrative.

Bowe and Lewis signed to fight each other in 1994. Bowe had to beat Larry Donald, Lewis had to beat Mccall, then TVKO superfight in spring 1995.

That happened in the real world, and can easily be verified.

Hmm. Well...maybe you should learn a lesson about decorum and who you pop off to.

Let me show you the door.

[edsnowden]

Lennox Lewis defeated 5 former major belt holders

Holyfield
Tyson
V. Klitscko
Briggs
McCall

Amazing resume. The guy is the man.

[edsnowden]

Lennox Lewis defeated 5 former major belt holders

Holyfield
Tyson
V. Klitscko
Briggs
McCall

Amazing resume. The guy is the man.

Ooops, make that 6

Holyfield
Tyson
V. Klitscko
Briggs
McCall
Rahman

[DrDuke]

Lennox Lewis defeated 5 former major belt holders

Holyfield
Tyson
V. Klitscko
Briggs
McCall

Amazing resume. The guy is the man.

Lewis defeated more major belt holders, former and future by the moment of their meetings. You should have added not only Rahman, but also Bruno, Tucker, Weaver. Plus Morrison with Akinwande, if to consider WBO, which became major in the mid 2000s. Also, Botha, who won IBF, although by a robbery and was later stripped of it for PEDs.

Talking about Lewis-Bowe ducking each other is childish. It was just like Joshua-Wilder, Fury-Joshua negotiations today. The mass media wasn't that strong back at the day, with no internet, so it wasn't that opened information for the public, like today, but they were almost set to fight on several occasions.

Talking about Lewis' greatness, I consider him at least the best HW ever.

[detamour]

Lennox Lewis defeated 5 former major belt holders

Holyfield
Tyson
V. Klitscko
Briggs
McCall

Amazing resume. The guy is the man.

Lewis defeated more major belt holders, former and future by the moment of their meetings. You should have added not only Rahman, but also Bruno, Tucker, Weaver. Plus Morrison with Akinwande, if to consider WBO, which became major in the mid 2000s. Also, Botha, who won IBF, although by a robbery and was later stripped of it for PEDs.

Talking about Lewis-Bowe ducking each other is childish. It was just like Joshua-Wilder, Fury-Joshua negotiations today. The mass media wasn't that strong back at the day, with no internet, so it wasn't that opened information for the public, like today, but they were almost set to fight on several occasions.

Talking about Lewis' greatness, I consider him at least the best HW ever.

Lennox? THE MAN WHOM NEVER GOT OF THE CANVAS TO WIN A FIGHT, AND WHOM AVOIDED JOHN RUIZ AND CHRIS BYRD BECAUSE OF THEIR STYLES?

[littlepug]

In terms of a head to head against any other heavyweight in history Lennox would be hard to pick against given his natural ability and skill set, in terms of an all time Heavyweight list which of course is based on actual career achievements then I’d place him at no5, would be higher if not for those losses or should I say the manner in which they happened. All talk of avoiding and ducking fights is just gossipy teenage tittle tattle.

[edsnowden]

In terms of a head to head against any other heavyweight in history Lennox would be hard to pick against given his natural ability and skill set, in terms of an all time Heavyweight list which of course is based on actual career achievements then I’d place him at no5, would be higher if not for those losses or should I say the manner in which they happened. All talk of avoiding and ducking fights is just gossipy teenage tittle tattle.

Look at Lennox resume

Holyfield
Tyson
V Klitschko
Tua
Golota
Ruddock
Mercer
Rahman
Briggs
Botha
McCall
Morrison
Tucker
Bruno
Weaver

Who in HW history has beaten a list this long and this talented?

In addition, his two losses and 1 draw were all avenged. No one got the better of him.

[littlepug]

In terms of a head to head against any other heavyweight in history Lennox would be hard to pick against given his natural ability and skill set, in terms of an all time Heavyweight list which of course is based on actual career achievements then I’d place him at no5, would be higher if not for those losses or should I say the manner in which they happened. All talk of avoiding and ducking fights is just gossipy teenage tittle tattle.

Look at Lennox resume

Holyfield
Tyson
V Klitschko
Tua
Golota
Ruddock
Mercer
Rahman
Briggs
Botha
McCall
Morrison
Tucker
Bruno
Weaver

Who in HW history has beaten a list this long and this talented?

In addition, his two losses and 1 draw were all avenged. No one got the better of him.

At least 3 of those were at the tail end of their careers, he had 2 “weak” losses in getting one punched twice, there’s other heavyweights with better resumes, well at least 4 in my book.

[IRONFIST]

Lenny Lewis GOAT? Codwallop, Lenny Lewis is only 1-1 with journeymen Rahman and McCall who both knocked him sparko.

[DrDuke]

Lennox Lewis defeated 5 former major belt holders

Holyfield
Tyson
V. Klitscko
Briggs
McCall

Amazing resume. The guy is the man.

Lewis defeated more major belt holders, former and future by the moment of their meetings. You should have added not only Rahman, but also Bruno, Tucker, Weaver. Plus Morrison with Akinwande, if to consider WBO, which became major in the mid 2000s. Also, Botha, who won IBF, although by a robbery and was later stripped of it for PEDs.

Talking about Lewis-Bowe ducking each other is childish. It was just like Joshua-Wilder, Fury-Joshua negotiations today. The mass media wasn't that strong back at the day, with no internet, so it wasn't that opened information for the public, like today, but they were almost set to fight on several occasions.

Talking about Lewis' greatness, I consider him at least the best HW ever.

Lennox? THE MAN WHOM NEVER GOT OF THE CANVAS TO WIN A FIGHT, AND WHOM AVOIDED JOHN RUIZ AND CHRIS BYRD BECAUSE OF THEIR STYLES?

It's so infantile to make such statements about pro athletes. Grow up, pro boxing is business.

[edsnowden]

In terms of a head to head against any other heavyweight in history Lennox would be hard to pick against given his natural ability and skill set, in terms of an all time Heavyweight list which of course is based on actual career achievements then I’d place him at no5, would be higher if not for those losses or should I say the manner in which they happened. All talk of avoiding and ducking fights is just gossipy teenage tittle tattle.

Look at Lennox resume

Holyfield
Tyson
V Klitschko
Tua
Golota
Ruddock
Mercer
Rahman
Briggs
Botha
McCall
Morrison
Tucker
Bruno
Weaver

Who in HW history has beaten a list this long and this talented?

In addition, his two losses and 1 draw were all avenged. No one got the better of him.

At least 3 of those were at the tail end of their careers, he had 2 “weak” losses in getting one punched twice, there’s other heavyweights with better resumes, well at least 4 in my book.

He also came back to beat those people. Beat this list.....

Holyfield
Tyson
V. Klitschko
Tua
Golota
Ruddock
Morrison
Rahman
McCall
Botha
Briggs
Mercer
Tucker
Bruno
Weaver

Who beat better heavyweights? And his only two losses, he avenged via knockout. Nobody can say they got the better of Lenox. Is that true of Ali, Louis, Foreman, Dempsey?

[edsnowden]

Lenny Lewis GOAT? Codwallop, Lenny Lewis is only 1-1 with journeymen Rahman and McCall who both knocked him sparko.

David Jaco is a journeyman. Rahman and McCall were quality opponents.

[littlepug]

Look at Lennox resume

Holyfield
Tyson
V Klitschko
Tua
Golota
Ruddock
Mercer
Rahman
Briggs
Botha
McCall
Morrison
Tucker
Bruno
Weaver

Who in HW history has beaten a list this long and this talented?

In addition, his two losses and 1 draw were all avenged. No one got the better of him.

At least 3 of those were at the tail end of their careers, he had 2 “weak” losses in getting one punched twice, there’s other heavyweights with better resumes, well at least 4 in my book.

He also came back to beat those people. Beat this list.....

Holyfield
Tyson
V. Klitschko
Tua
Golota
Ruddock
Morrison
Rahman
McCall
Botha
Briggs
Mercer
Tucker
Bruno
Weaver

Who beat better heavyweights? And his only two losses, he avenged via knockout. Nobody can say they got the better of Lenox. Is that true of Ali, Louis, Foreman, Dempsey?

None of those names had a loss like those Lennox had, doesn’t matter if he avenged them the losses still happened, Ali has wins over Liston, Foreman, Frazier, Norton and Shavers and bunch of other quality wins which trump that list, Louis reigned for a decade which takes some doing and had 25 defences, Foreman demolished Frazier and Norton took 10 years off then won the title again 20 years after first winning it, that’s amazing, Holmes had an 8 year reign with 20 defences, not amazing opposition but mostly young unbeaten lads that were decent before they all got into drugs, went to rehab an got feasted on by Tyson and others in the second half of the 80s. Lennox had good wins but stands out and get marked down for getting one punched twice, no one else in my top 10 heavyweights list has suffered losses like that.

[mayorcurley]

Lenny Lewis GOAT? Codwallop, Lenny Lewis is only 1-1 with journeymen Rahman and McCall who both knocked him sparko.

David Jaco is a journeyman. Rahman and McCall were quality opponents.

Ali got beat by Leon Spinks and Trevor Berbick.

Louis got beat by Max Schmeling and Marciano.

Foreman got beat by Ali and Jimmy Young. Lost to Tommy Morrison.

All heavies got beat.

Lenox avenged his losses which were from two quality opponents and beat more former and future world champions. He beat Vitali K when Lenox was almost 40 years old.

When Ali was at the end of his career, he was getting his head knocked around. Louis was beating an animal like Vitali K. At the end of his career, Lewis knocked out Mike Tyson.

[mayorcurley]

At least 3 of those were at the tail end of their careers, he had 2 “weak” losses in getting one punched twice, there’s other heavyweights with better resumes, well at least 4 in my book.

He also came back to beat those people. Beat this list.....

Holyfield
Tyson
V. Klitschko
Tua
Golota
Ruddock
Morrison
Rahman
McCall
Botha
Briggs
Mercer
Tucker
Bruno
Weaver

Who beat better heavyweights? And his only two losses, he avenged via knockout. Nobody can say they got the better of Lenox. Is that true of Ali, Louis, Foreman, Dempsey?

None of those names had a loss like those Lennox had, doesn’t matter if he avenged them the losses still happened, Ali has wins over Liston, Foreman, Frazier, Norton and Shavers and bunch of other quality wins which trump that list, Louis reigned for a decade which takes some doing and had 25 defences, Foreman demolished Frazier and Norton took 10 years off then won the title again 20 years after first winning it, that’s amazing, Holmes had an 8 year reign with 20 defences, not amazing opposition but mostly young unbeaten lads that were decent before they all got into drugs, went to rehab an got feasted on by Tyson and others in the second half of the 80s. Lennox had good wins but stands out and get marked down for getting one punched twice, no one else in my top 10 heavyweights list has suffered losses like that.

Louis got tattooed by Max Schmeling and Marciano.

Ali got creamed at the end of his career.

Lewis goes 1-1 with 2 quality opponents, which is worst thing of his career...... and that rules him out! What a double standard.

Louis and Ali couldn't speak at the end of their careers, Lewis is articulate and avenged his losses with a brutal KO of Rahman and a dismantling of McCall.

Plus Lewis beat a longer and better list of quality opponents.

Even Foreman said Lennox is the GOAT!

Be real.

[Ambling Alp II]

Are we reality to this point?
Never heard anyone having Lewis higher than 3rd.
He is usually in the 6-8 range.
Beating 5 past major beltholders is the argument people are using?

Past it Holyfield,
Shot Tyson
Which leaves us with what, Klitschko, McCall, and Briggs?
Seriously, that's the argument that Lennox Lewis is the best of all time? Wow.

[littlepug]

He also came back to beat those people. Beat this list.....

Holyfield
Tyson
V. Klitschko
Tua
Golota
Ruddock
Morrison
Rahman
McCall
Botha
Briggs
Mercer
Tucker
Bruno
Weaver

Who beat better heavyweights? And his only two losses, he avenged via knockout. Nobody can say they got the better of Lenox. Is that true of Ali, Louis, Foreman, Dempsey?

None of those names had a loss like those Lennox had, doesn’t matter if he avenged them the losses still happened, Ali has wins over Liston, Foreman, Frazier, Norton and Shavers and bunch of other quality wins which trump that list, Louis reigned for a decade which takes some doing and had 25 defences, Foreman demolished Frazier and Norton took 10 years off then won the title again 20 years after first winning it, that’s amazing, Holmes had an 8 year reign with 20 defences, not amazing opposition but mostly young unbeaten lads that were decent before they all got into drugs, went to rehab an got feasted on by Tyson and others in the second half of the 80s. Lennox had good wins but stands out and get marked down for getting one punched twice, no one else in my top 10 heavyweights list has suffered losses like that.

Louis got tattooed by Max Schmeling and Marciano.

Ali got creamed at the end of his career.

Lewis goes 1-1 with 2 quality opponents, which is worst thing of his career...... and that rules him out! What a double standard.

Louis and Ali couldn't speak at the end of their careers, Lewis is articulate and avenged his losses with a brutal KO of Rahman and a dismantling of McCall.

Plus Lewis beat a longer and better list of quality opponents.

Even Foreman said Lennox is the GOAT!

Be real.

Your reaching now mate, Louis got beat in the 12th after a hard fight with Schmelling and was well past it for Marciano, Ali was a shell of himself at the end of his career, Lewis was in his prime and got one shotted twice by guys who are what? Top 40? Top 50? Top 60? If you’re gonna debate about greatness you have to do it without bias and look at things subjectivity, wether you like it or not those were 2 poor ass losses Lewis suffered, Frazier got done by Foreman but it took a lot more than one shot to do it.

[mayorcurley]

So you're acting as if I don't know what I'm talking about, and you think his fight with Tyson was a rematch?

You clearly weren't following boxing at the time. Lennox Lewis was pursuing a 2003 rematch with Mike Tyson. Hence why they were asking Tyson about it post Etienne.

The fact you don't know what was going on in 2003 is why you have no clue that Bowe and Lewis signed to fight each other in 1994, and that Bowe and HBO tried to put together a fight with him again in 1996.

What does it matter? Look at Lewis resume...... Look at Bowe's. Whose is better? Hint Hint Lewis beat everyone he faced and a ton of talent. Lewis beat at least 4 former major belt holders.....

Rahman and McCall are "top 40"? Just that statement alone should make me realize you don't know much.

Lennox was never way past it -- even beating high level fighters at the end of his career.

His resume is the best. Even George Foreman thinks so.

[gilgamesh]

You clearly weren't following boxing at the time. Lennox Lewis was pursuing a 2003 rematch with Mike Tyson. Hence why they were asking Tyson about it post Etienne.

The fact you don't know what was going on in 2003 is why you have no clue that Bowe and Lewis signed to fight each other in 1994, and that Bowe and HBO tried to put together a fight with him again in 1996.

What does it matter? Look at Lewis resume...... Look at Bowe's. Whose is better? Hint Hint Lewis beat everyone he faced and a ton of talent. Lewis beat at least 4 former major belt holders.....

Rahman and McCall are "top 40"? Just that statement alone should make me realize you don't know much.

Lennox was never way past it -- even beating high level fighters at the end of his career.

His resume is the best. Even George Foreman thinks so.

George Foreman got knocked out by the best.

Are you and Ed Snowden the same person?

[Ambling Alp II]

Well lets start with the obvioius: Ali
His resume
Liston
Patterson,
Frazier
Foreman
Norton

All better than anyone that Lewis beat at the time that Lewis beat them. (Holyfield and Tyson well past it)

Not to mention:
Terrell
Quarry
Ellis
Bonavena
Young
Shavers

Lewis' resume compared to Ali is a joke.
Louis had a better one as well.

Lewis was obviously a great fighter. His is comparable to Foreman, Frazier, Holmes, Holyfield etc.
Better than Ali and Louis? No way.

[mayorcurley]

What does it matter? Look at Lewis resume...... Look at Bowe's. Whose is better? Hint Hint Lewis beat everyone he faced and a ton of talent. Lewis beat at least 4 former major belt holders.....

Rahman and McCall are "top 40"? Just that statement alone should make me realize you don't know much.

Lennox was never way past it -- even beating high level fighters at the end of his career.

His resume is the best. Even George Foreman thinks so.

George Foreman got knocked out by the best.

Are you and Ed Snowden the same person?

Ed Snowden is my uncle.

[margaret thatcher]

I agree with alpy

[mayorcurley]

Well lets start with the obvioius: Ali
His resume
Liston
Patterson,
Frazier
Foreman
Norton

All better than anyone that Lewis beat at the time that Lewis beat them. (Holyfield and Tyson well past it)

Not to mention:
Terrell
Quarry
Ellis
Bonavena
Young
Shavers

Lewis' resume compared to Ali is a joke.
Louis had a better one as well.

Lewis was obviously a great fighter. His is comparable to Foreman, Frazier, Holmes, Holyfield etc.
Better than Ali and Louis? No way.

Tyson > Liston
Holyfield > Frazier, Norton
V. Klitscko > Patterson
Morrison > Quarry
Ruddock > Terrell
Tua > Shavers
Mercer > Ellis
Golota > Bonavena
Rahman > Young

And you still have

Briggs
Botha
McCall
Tucker
Bruno
Weaver