eo just stop, stop. You sound like broken machine.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Nov 2020, 10:57No one should boast about possessing wisdom based on hindsight alone, because those that do such things refuse to consider context, compelling them to lazily and unfairly undermine the accomplishments of those that achieved great things.
Sergio Martinez was heavily favoured (69.2% or -225) to defeat the Puerto Rican Hall-of-Famer, with Miguel Cotto considered the underdog.
Miguel Cotto had suffered two losses and only defeated one journeyman in the 2½ years immediately preceding the Sergio Martinez bout.
The Puerto Rican Hall-of-Famer was considered a small 154lb-er and was making his middleweight debut against The RING and WBC champion, who was also classed amongst the top-five pound-for-pounders in the sport that had enjoyed a 4½ year winning streak over five current/former/future world champions (i.e. Kelly Pavlik, Paul Williams, Serhiy Dzinziruk, Darren Barker and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.).
Let’s not forget that Cotto’s coach, Freddie Roach, had predicted a fourth round KO victory for his man. And the Puerto Rican jumped on the Argentine from the get-go (landing a huge left hook) within the opening minute of the first round, which Martinez failed to recover from.
FMJ vs Sergio Martinez @ 154 lbs in 2011 - that would've been a solid match
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OK, I will do, but will you at least concede that what I've written is factually-accurate?apollo creed wrote: ↑13 Nov 2020, 11:08eo just stop, stop. You sound like broken machine.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Nov 2020, 10:57No one should boast about possessing wisdom based on hindsight alone, because those that do such things refuse to consider context, compelling them to lazily and unfairly undermine the accomplishments of those that achieved great things.
Sergio Martinez was heavily favoured (69.2% or -225) to defeat the Puerto Rican Hall-of-Famer, with Miguel Cotto considered the underdog.
Miguel Cotto had suffered two losses and only defeated one journeyman in the 2½ years immediately preceding the Sergio Martinez bout.
The Puerto Rican Hall-of-Famer was considered a small 154lb-er and was making his middleweight debut against The RING and WBC champion, who was also classed amongst the top-five pound-for-pounders in the sport that had enjoyed a 4½ year winning streak over five current/former/future world champions (i.e. Kelly Pavlik, Paul Williams, Serhiy Dzinziruk, Darren Barker and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.).
Let’s not forget that Cotto’s coach, Freddie Roach, had predicted a fourth round KO victory for his man. And the Puerto Rican jumped on the Argentine from the get-go (landing a huge left hook) within the opening minute of the first round, which Martinez failed to recover from.![]()
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Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Nov 2020, 11:02Repetitive long posts or factually accurate information that contradicts your beliefs?apollo creed wrote: ↑13 Nov 2020, 10:59Yeah, that's what I've said it too. It seems like eo sounds like broken cuckoo clock with his ol' repetitive long posts. lol
No one should boast about possessing wisdom based on hindsight alone, because those that do such things refuse to consider context, compelling them to lazily and unfairly undermine the accomplishments of those that achieved great things.
Sergio Martinez was heavily favoured (69.2% or -225) to defeat the Puerto Rican Hall-of-Famer, with Miguel Cotto considered the underdog.
Miguel Cotto had suffered two losses and only defeated one journeyman in the 2½ years immediately preceding the Sergio Martinez bout.
The Puerto Rican Hall-of-Famer was considered a small 154lb-er and was making his middleweight debut against The RING and WBC champion, who was also classed amongst the top-five pound-for-pounders in the sport that had enjoyed a 4½ year winning streak, which included victories over five current/former/future world champions (i.e. Kelly Pavlik, Paul Williams, Serhiy Dzinziruk, Darren Barker and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.).
Let’s not forget that Cotto’s coach, Freddie Roach, had predicted a fourth round KO victory for his man. And the Puerto Rican jumped on the Argentine from the get-go (landing a huge left hook) within the opening minute of the first round, which Martinez failed to recover from (resulting in three knockdowns within the first three minutes of the bout, which clearly had nothing to do with Sergio's knees).
You are so ignorant about Sergio's age and health problems. It's sad the way you see things.
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I was aware of Sergio’s knee injuries, but I have eyeballs and I had to use them when I watched Martinez’s bouts against Barker, Macklin and Murray. He was on the decline by the time he fought Cotto.apollo creed wrote: ↑13 Nov 2020, 11:15Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Nov 2020, 11:02Repetitive long posts or factually accurate information that contradicts your beliefs?apollo creed wrote: ↑13 Nov 2020, 10:59
Yeah, that's what I've said it too. It seems like eo sounds like broken cuckoo clock with his ol' repetitive long posts. lol
No one should boast about possessing wisdom based on hindsight alone, because those that do such things refuse to consider context, compelling them to lazily and unfairly undermine the accomplishments of those that achieved great things.
Sergio Martinez was heavily favoured (69.2% or -225) to defeat the Puerto Rican Hall-of-Famer, with Miguel Cotto considered the underdog.
Miguel Cotto had suffered two losses and only defeated one journeyman in the 2½ years immediately preceding the Sergio Martinez bout.
The Puerto Rican Hall-of-Famer was considered a small 154lb-er and was making his middleweight debut against The RING and WBC champion, who was also classed amongst the top-five pound-for-pounders in the sport that had enjoyed a 4½ year winning streak, which included victories over five current/former/future world champions (i.e. Kelly Pavlik, Paul Williams, Serhiy Dzinziruk, Darren Barker and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.).
Let’s not forget that Cotto’s coach, Freddie Roach, had predicted a fourth round KO victory for his man. And the Puerto Rican jumped on the Argentine from the get-go (landing a huge left hook) within the opening minute of the first round, which Martinez failed to recover from (resulting in three knockdowns within the first three minutes of the bout, which clearly had nothing to do with Sergio's knees).![]()
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You are so ignorant about Sergio's age and health problems. It's sad the way you see things.![]()
That said, no one can possibly pretend that Sergio wasn't a big favourite over Miguel, even though everyone was aware of Martinez’s knees before his fight against Cotto.
Part of the reason the Argentine was considered the huge favourite, was due to Cotto’s poor run of form and his general lack of size.
However, Miguel promised to jump on Martinez from the get-go and that’s precisely what he did, probably because Sergio had been decked in each of his previous three outings.
Miguel’s team promised to deliver a fourth round KO and they nearly achieved it. They had a game-plan, so what they achieved was no fluke, since they told the entire world beforehand.
Placing 100% of the blame for Martinez’s loss on his knee injuries suggests you didn’t even bother to watch the opening minute of the first round!
Martinez said "I got hit. I was cold, and I never recovered from that. You gotta know when to win, and you gotta know when to lose."