Round-by-Round: Joe Joyce vs. Daniel Dubois - 28 November 2020

[funso banjo baby]

Dubois has always been massively overhyped

[Steveh583]

If fury can get beat by mcdermott and come back then Dubois can learn and come back from this.

Joyce is far from pretty to watch but he will be a very hard night for everyone. He’s massive , bull strong , iron chin his movement is improving. You’re going 12 rounds whoever you are.

hardly comparable. fury never quit.

(nor was that fight as one sided as history leads you to believe, fury won the first two rounds and the last two in a ten round fight, many of the other rounds were open to interpretation)

He could easily have lost a fight he should have breezed through. These fights help push people on to the next level and make them
Up their game.

not even sure about that. mcdermott was a tough ask and MASSIVELY more experienced for only furys 10th fight. he should have been given more credit for taking the fight rather than the constant lambasting.

[Coco]

DDD is quite Bruno like in many ways which is a compliment.

I have the feeling if someone is just a touch worse than the London youngster then they get blown out.

However if someone is on par then DDD will be likely to fall apart. Chin and stamina are both in proper doubt.

It would be no surprise to me if he blasted either Whyte or Chisora out.

[Coco]

Fury's fights against McDermott, Pavic and Cunningham made him as a fighter.

With McDermott it was as much about his conditioning as anything, and in the other 2 it was about not being too cavalier.

However you don't learn anything when you get beat up bad enough to make you quit

[Frostieballs]

Had JJ cornered DD and began an onslaught, I doubt the ref would have even jumped in. He was gonna give DD the benefit throughout.

What if he had retired on his stool? He would have gotten less stick than taking a knee?

He did take the knee quite early in that round.. so there was a long way to go.

I think if he had quit on his stool they would have stated it was due to injury... and he would be getting less stick.

Quitting mid round though, I wondered why chose to take the knee? As opposed to just walking off/turning his back/asking the ref to intervene. Perhaps it did just really hurt.

I guess we have the benefit of hindsight. DDD was getting his brain reset every 20 secs by a cinderblock jab with a hard-on for his busted left eye.

Ref was never going to save him because he’s the home fighter with the hopes of an entire promotion behind him. He says something to his corner before round 10 and they still don’t save him. He gets hit on the eye again and goes “fornicate all of you and fornicate this” and takes a knee. PR-wise it’s a nightmare for him now but I doubt he was thinking about that at the time.

It’s really interesting you say that.....

I thought there was an element of f**k you in what he did.

I think he felt a bit lost and abandoned in there - and felt that no one was going to rescue him.

He could have turned his back or stood up at any time during that count and said I’ve had enough, but this was the most definitive way of getting the fight stopped.

[polecateddy]

I'm usually quite sceptical about the true ability of Bruno, but I could see his better fundamentals and variety being too much for either Joyce or Dubois. Neither were terribly impressive.

[dookus]

I think it's well out of order for people to condemn Dubois for quitting with what has turned out to be a pretty nasty head injury. You cannot put a man in the position where his choices are a) put himself at high risk of permanent injury / loss of his sight / loss of his livelihood or b) shame and disgrace. That's some serious bùllshit and it's disappointing to me that ex-boxers are doing it as well.

[dookus]

I think if he had quit on his stool they would have stated it was due to injury... and he would be getting less stick.

Quitting mid round though, I wondered why chose to take the knee? As opposed to just walking off/turning his back/asking the ref to intervene. Perhaps it did just really hurt.

I guess we have the benefit of hindsight. DDD was getting his brain reset every 20 secs by a cinderblock jab with a hard-on for his busted left eye.

Ref was never going to save him because he’s the home fighter with the hopes of an entire promotion behind him. He says something to his corner before round 10 and they still don’t save him. He gets hit on the eye again and goes “fornicate all of you and fornicate this” and takes a knee. PR-wise it’s a nightmare for him now but I doubt he was thinking about that at the time.

It’s really interesting you say that.....

I thought there was an element of f**k you in what he did.

I think he felt a bit lost and abandoned in there - and felt that no one was going to rescue him.

He could have turned his back or stood up at any time during that count and said I’ve had enough, but this was the most definitive way of getting the fight stopped.

I got that too. They seemed desperate for him to keep going.

[Jimmy2020]

...we can hardly complain when people call for it to be banned.

I've been around boxing for the best part of 40 years. I would advocate strongly for the sport to be banned if we reach the point where the welfare of the participants is not put front and centre.

These clowns laying into Dubois today should not be paid to give opinions. All that needed to be said is:-

"That looks like it could be a serious injury to Daniel's eye. He needs to be taken to hospital asap. Hopefully he makes a full and speedy recovery. The fight didn't live up to expectations but, credit where credit is due, Joyce was relentless with his jab and fully deserved to have his hand raised."

[rd350lc]

...we can hardly complain when people call for it to be banned.

I've been around boxing for the best part of 40 years. I would advocate strongly for the sport to be banned if we reach the point where the welfare of the participants is not put front and centre.

These clowns laying into Dubois today should not be paid to give opinions. All that needed to be said is:-

"That looks like it could be a serious injury to Daniel's eye. He needs to be taken to hospital asap. Hopefully he makes a full and speedy recovery. The fight didn't live up to expectations but, credit where credit is due, Joyce was relentless with his jab and fully deserved to have his hand raised."

Well said , trouble is too many self important people out there willing to sound off without a thought .

[TheLeprechaun]

And body shots.

I'll choose my words carefully, but Martin Bowers' corner work basically consisted on him "putting the frighteners" on Dubois in much the same manner as he did on people throughout his previous career, and that's telling.

As for Fish Eyes, his management of this whole thing from the word go is worthy of another thread. He promotes both blokes and still at the end didn't want to give Joyce credit and was angling for a rematch when really he should be pushing for Joyce's possible shot at the vacant WBO against Usyk. What is Joyce's contract with Fwank like? He needs to get away from him ASAP. Fwank clearly doesn't want him and has shown himself up big time here.

What was Bowers previous career? He's been a founder of the peacock gym that's all I know.

Fwank did give Joyce credit I thought but at the end of the day he's taken a big loss there with Dubois. He's put time and effort into him with an eye to the future and he'll know that Dubois isn't as good as he thought. Joyce isn't loyal to him the way Dubois would have been.

[Coco]

I think he is alluding to him being a well known face, fingers in pies, done some bird

[Black Sam Bellamy]

Bowers has done time for un-armed robbery. Didn't think his corner work was particularly bad. Nothing on a Tony Sims level.

[Coco]

In the film Snatch, the characters were loosely based on real life figures inc Lenny McClean, Johnny Waldren, the Bowers brothers etc.
Dunno who Bricktop was though!

[Bookiesmacker]

If only there was some kind of magic machine, where all the the people slating DD, could be transported into his position, feel the pain of his injury for themselves, the fear of going blind for themselves and have a beast like Joe Joyce about to carry on jabbing at their broken eye socket.

Wonder how many people like Frampton etc would still be saying the same thing. Just a thought.

[Black Sam Bellamy]

With the exception of Ed Robinson, all of the Sky boxing bottom feeders have had their moment on Dubois. Fat Boy Smith, Nelson, Macklin, Bellend et al. They must be worried.

[Black Sam Bellamy]

Coldwell now.

[Jimmy2020]

With the exception of Ed Robinson, all of the Sky boxing bottom feeders have had their moment on Dubois. Fat Boy Smith, Nelson, Macklin, Bellend et al. They must be worried.

They are just bullies. Next week they'll be tweeting away about mental health awareness without realising their hypocrisy having just spent the weekend terrorising a lad for listening to his instincts when his face has been smashed in during a sports event. Nasty bunch.

[Counter-puncher]

With the exception of Ed Robinson, all of the Sky boxing bottom feeders have had their moment on Dubois. Fat Boy Smith, Nelson, Macklin, Bellend et al. They must be worried.

They are just bullies. Next week they'll be tweeting away about mental health awareness without realising their hypocrisy having just spent the weekend terrorising a lad for listening to his instincts when his face has been smashed in during a sports event. Nasty bunch.

Great post

[smiling assassin]

For every Gatti there are a 100 boxers out there who wouldn’t go on through the pain. I’ve been around boxing long enough to know that fighters (more often than not) are not the warriors they like to think they are.
It’s all well and good saying there ain’t no quit in you when everything’s going well but I’d like to see other boxers slating Dubois, what their reaction would be in the same situation.
Bellends word ain’t worth the paper it’s written on as he turned his back on Stevenson.

[MightyWarrior]

Huge concern and lots of solemn words and faces in the football just now, after a head clash and one of the lads stretchered off - no chances taken with head injuries - all his fellow professionals showing concern ..something that obviously rarely happens in boxing, as we saw it last night

[Ruthless-RKO]

Huge concern and lots of solemn words and faces in the football just now, after a head clash and one of the lads stretchered off - no chances taken with head injuries - all his fellow professionals showing concern ..something that obviously rarely happens in boxing, as we saw it last night

Who is it?

[Counter-puncher]

Is it just me or is DD only getting the ‘quitter’ flack from fighters linked with the Hearn/Sky machine? I mean, he’s mostly getting it off the likes of Bellew cos he’s a Warren fighter, let’s face it. If AJ did the exact same fvcking thing the lot of them would be praising his intelligence to live and fight another day I reckon, genuine risk to health, fighters welfare, feed these kids. Was Bellew screaming ‘spewed it’ at Brook when coincidentally they were both on the Matchroom payroll? Leaves a nasty taste from each and every one of them. Frampton id like to have thought better of.

[tonyevs]

Yes there seems lots critiscm for Dubois .. Hatton compared it to Brook and said it was ok for Brook to do same because he was blinking for a round or so earlier to show his discomfort .. I guess Dubois should have showed his discomfort/pain earlier.

The plusses are he wasn't wobbled by Joyce. So his chin seems solid enough.

The big concern for me is that both of them looked absolutely terrible; depressing for British boxing if they are the best prospects we got.
They looked like club show amateurs.

[Coco]

Is it just me or is DD only getting the ‘quitter’ flack from fighters linked with the Hearn/Sky machine? I mean, he’s mostly getting it off the likes of Bellew cos he’s a Warren fighter, let’s face it. If AJ did the exact same fvcking thing the lot of them would be praising his intelligence to live and fight another day I reckon, genuine risk to health, fighters welfare, feed these kids. Was Bellew screaming ‘spewed it’ at Brook when coincidentally they were both on the Matchroom payroll? Leaves a nasty taste from each and every one of them. Frampton id like to have thought better of.

I'm sure Bellew quit against Stevenson so he could get home safely to his nan!

IMO Dubois did quit, the fight was close and we can all point to fighters who bit down on their gumshield and carried on.

Nelson and Bellew certainly don't fall into that category.

Yes he quit but he did have a broken eye socket with an 18 stone relentless jugganaut in front of him.

Nevertheless that type of mentality is sometimes the distinction between champions and contenders.