oogiebe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 22:24
Dude's posting in triplicate.
GGG broke him last week. Hes a shot poster
I have asked questions you refuse to directly answer.
And when you resort to insults, you’ve essentially admitted to being stumped... unable to provide a counter-argument, which means you LOST and I WON!!!
I keep submitting the same post over-and-over again to remind you of the questions and points I’ve raised that you refuse to directly respond to.
Is Canelo better than Mikkel Kessler, Robin Reid or the 43-year-old Bernard Hopkins?
Does Calzaghe’s reputation match the calibre of his resume?
And what I mean is this, was Jeff Lacy as good as advertised and did Joe really beat the prime iterations of Eubank Sr., Jones Jr. and Hopkins?
Methinks that Calzaghe was another GGG, Luis Ortiz or Terence Crawford... and the point I’m conveying is rather obvious, whereby the reputation and hype clearly overshadows their actual accomplishments inside the ring.
Some fighters are simply very popular, even if the calibre of opposition they face is usually lacklustre.
Calzaghe was decked by Mitchell, Salem, Jones Jr. and Hopkins. I haven’t checked all his fights, but the badly faded Eubank Jr. briefly stunned him too.
Do people think that Canelo can’t hurt Calzaghe?
And finally, did Calzaghe duck Carl Froch, despite being offered millions of dollars?
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 22:32
Is Canelo better than Mikkel Kessler, Robin Reid or the 43-year-old Bernard Hopkins?
Not at 168 or 175
Does Calzaghe’s reputation match the calibre of his resume?
Yea
And what I mean is this, was Jeff Lacy as good as advertised and did Joe really beat the prime iterations of Eubank Sr., Jones Jr. and Hopkins?
No and irrelevant to your argument
Methinks that Calzaghe was another GGG, Luis Ortiz or Terence Crawford... and the point I’m conveying is rather obvious, whereby the reputation and hype clearly overshadows their actual accomplishments inside the ring.
Opinion
Some fighters are simply very popular, even if the calibre of opposition they face is usually lacklustre.
Calzaghe was decked by Mitchell, Salem, Jones Jr. and Hopkins. I haven’t checked all his fights, but the badly faded Eubank Jr. briefly stunned him too.
He won those fights
Do people think that Canelo can’t hurt Calzaghe?
Nobody said that
And finally, did Calzaghe duck Carl Froch, despite being offered millions of dollars?
Therefore calzaghe is the more accomplished 168 and 175 pound fighter
You dont address styles usually because you dont have that level of understanding of the sport you are an internet expert in
Canelo has struggled with fighters quicker than him. He has looked great against slower guys.
He counters well with a left hook but would have trouble landing with calzaghes odd southpaw angle. He wouldnt smother and hold like bernard so calzaghe would overwhelm him with punches
You’re claiming that Robin Read beats Canelo at 168lbs.
You’re claiming that it’s completely irrelevant to suggest the rather obvious fact that Joe Calzaghe’s best wins came against several faded veterans and also a fighter that was preposterously hyped, despite having never achieved anything of note.
And this is related to another point, you’re claiming Calzaghe’s resume matches his hype, but it doesn’t, due to the aforementioned reasons.
And you’re also suggesting that it’s irrelevant to mention that Calzaghe was decked four times and also hurt during numerous title defences.
And you’ve also failed to comment on the fact that Calzaghe ducked Carl Froch, despite being offered millions of dollars.
Calzaghe by decision by around 3-4 rounds.
I didn't like Calzaghe's style that much but he was extremely effective with it and was one of those clever fighters who could adapt and adjust during the fight when he picked up on opponents habits.
As effective as Canelo has been, I kind of look at him as a fighter who trains in a specific way to defeat an opponent but does not have that mid-fight ability to adjust as such.
Stylewise as well, a motivated Calzaghe would be throwing too many punches for Canelo. Those pitty patty punches and fast flurries didn't really hurt opponents, they were more to throw them off balance/a distraction for a more solid follow up.
The last time Canelo faced a world class, thinking southpaw in Lara he had kittens. Calzaghe had great control of distance as well. He could be hurt and knocked over, however, his powers of recovery were brilliant. As soon as he was knocked down, he was back up again and fighting back.
I prefer Canelo as a boxer to Calzaghe, but see a decision win for Joe in this one.
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 23:03
Move those goalposts!
You arent good at debating EO. You dont understand the objective. Even worse you think your good so you look dumb
Shots fired!
Some people are beyond help. I tried to help that tony guy in the political thread and he just responded with some 1000 word essay of nonsense
Tony's a good guy, just don't talk politics with him. Very few see both sides. I sent EO a pm a while back(to one of his previous screen names) giving some advice and it was my first time realizing his damage was permanent.
Some people are beyond help. I tried to help that tony guy in the political thread and he just responded with some 1000 word essay of nonsense
Tony's a good guy, just don't talk politics with him. Very few see both sides. I sent EO a pm a while back(to one of his previous screen names) giving some advice and it was my first time realizing his damage was permanent.
They prey on people’s good nature. No point helping them, we can only laugh.
Let’s agree that Joe Calzaghe was considered a universally-recognised top-ten world-rated super-middleweight from October 1997 until November 2007.
And despite competing in 22 world title bouts, only seven of his opponents were regarded as top-ten world-rated super-middleweights, hence the justification for the similarity of Calzaghe’s and GGG’s resumes.
Here are their names, coupled with their RING ratings at the time of those bouts:
• Mikkel Kessler (1st)
• Jeff Lacy (3rd)
• Byron Mitchell (3rd)
• Charles Brewer (5th)
• Robin Reid (6th)
• Richie Woodhall (8th)
• Sakio Bika (8th)
Here’s a list of some of the big-namefighters, which JoeCalzagheneverfaced, that were included in The RING’s top-ten annual 168lbs rankings from October 1997 until November 2007, coupled with the number of years their names were listed:
• Markus Beyer (7)
• Sven Ottke (6)
• Anthony Mundine (6)
• Thomas Tate (4)
• Antwun Echols (4)
• Mads Larsen (4)
• Manny Siaca (4)
• Danny Green (3)
• Librado Andrade (3)
Joe Calzaghe was rated as the second best 168lb-er on the planet between 1998 and 2001. He became the top-dog at super-middleweight from 2002 until 2007.
However, despite his lofty status in the sport, he very rarely faced decent opposition (i.e. 69% of his world title foes were unranked)!!!
During April 2007, Team Calzaghe rejected a $3m offer from Hennessy Sports for Joe to face his mandatory challenger, Carl Froch. It apparently took less than an hour for the proposal to be rejected.
The following year, Froch’s promoter upped the offer to $8.2m, but that was declined too. And during December 2008 a third and final improved, but undisclosed, offer was submitted to Team Calzaghe, but that was rejected.
Within a 5½ year period, Calzaghe had been decked by Mitchell, Salem, Jones Jr. and Hopkins.
And Joe’s so-called victories over Robin Reid and Bernard Hopkins were very controversial in nature, to the point that even the commentators from his home network, Sky Sports, thought he’d lost those bouts.
Interestingly, Calzaghe refused to entertain the idea of granting either of these guys well-deserved rematches.
It's sad to say that some of Joe Calzaghe’s best wins came against faded veterans (Jones Jr., Hopkins & Eubank Sr.) and also a fighter that was preposterously hyped, despite having never achieved anything of note (Lacy).
Don't get me wrong, Joe was a good fighter, perhaps even Hall-of-Fame worthy, but the amount of hype and praise that's bestowed upon him seems rather unworthy, when you consider his actual resume.
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I've changed my mind. Calzaghe by decision, probably by more like 5-6 rounds.
Styles make fights, and a larger, better, faster, more powerful version of Lara takes a comfortable decision win over Canelo.
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 23:03
Move those goalposts!
You arent good at debating EO. You dont understand the objective.
Even worse you think your good so you look dumb
That’s the EO paradox right there, the disjunction between the level of his content and the level he rates it. It’s crushing to read
Calzaghe was overrated. And the reason why you guys won't directly challenge any of my assertions head-on, is because I know far more about the man than you do.
You resort to insults as a weak attempt to undermine the arguer rather than their argument, which is simply an admission of defeat on your part, because you're powerless to do otherwise!
I honestly believe that Joe Calzaghe has never faced anyone as accomplished, whilst also in their physical prime, as Canelo.
Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑24 Dec 2020, 05:56
Embarrassing from EO yet again. Writes multiple long posts about a boxer he’s clearly barely watched.
I've probably watched more of his fights than you have.
And it must be "embarrassing" for you to be unable to challenge anything I've written?
Come on kid, give me your best! Since you're unable to challenge my knowledge, you might as well respond with another insult instead, eh?
Because that's the automatic default reply you use whenever someone overwhelms you with frustratingly accurate facts!
If all else fails, just say something irrelevant and derogatory! You're like a child accusing me of being a "big meany" for saying something you wish weren't true!!!
Changing my mind again, reckon a landslide victory for Calzaghe, possible late retirement by Canelo after being overwhelmed by the speed and volume.
The more I think about Calzaghe's accomplishments and, more to the point, his actual style of fighting, the more I realise he takes this one with a bit to spare.
Here’s a list of 25 top-ten 168lbs world-rated fighters that Joe Calzaghe refrained from facing during his ten-year super-middleweight title reign:
• Andrej Shkalikov
• Frankie Liles
• Sven Ottke
• Thomas Tate
• Vincenzo Nardiello
• Vinny Pazienza
• Glenn Catley
• Markus Beyer
• Bruno Girard
• Dave Hilton Jr.
• Dingaan Thobela
• James Butler
• Antwun Echols
• Eric Lucas
• Mads Larsen
• Manny Siaca
• Anthony Mundine
• Danny Green
• Librado Andrade
• Otis Grant
• Allan Green
• Carl Froch
• Denis Inkin
• Lucian Bute
• Jean Pascal
Here’s a list of fifteen fighters that Joe Calzaghe competed against in world title fights that weren’t considered top-ten world-rated 168lb-ers:
• Peter Manfredo Jr.
• Evans Ashira
• Mario Veit
• Kabary Salem
• Mger Mkrtchyan
• Tocker Pudwill
• Miguel Angel Jimenez
• Will McIntyre
• Mario Veit
• Omar Sheika
• David Starie
• Rick Thornberry
• Juan Carlos Gimenez
• Branko Sobot
• Chris Eubank
Compare Calzaghe’s resume to Canelo’s, and what conclusion do you have?
Let’s agree that Joe Calzaghe was considered a universally-recognised top-ten world-rated super-middleweight from October 1997 until November 2007.
And despite competing in 22 world title bouts, only seven of his opponents were regarded as top-ten world-rated super-middleweights, hence the justification for the similarity of Calzaghe’s and GGG’s resumes.
Here are their names, coupled with their RING ratings at the time of those bouts:
• Mikkel Kessler (1st)
• Jeff Lacy (3rd)
• Byron Mitchell (3rd)
• Charles Brewer (5th)
• Robin Reid (6th)
• Richie Woodhall (8th)
• Sakio Bika (8th)
Here’s a list of some of the big-namefighters, which JoeCalzagheneverfaced, that were included in The RING’s top-ten annual 168lbs rankings from October 1997 until November 2007, coupled with the number of years their names were listed:
• Markus Beyer (7)
• Sven Ottke (6)
• Anthony Mundine (6)
• Thomas Tate (4)
• Antwun Echols (4)
• Mads Larsen (4)
• Manny Siaca (4)
• Danny Green (3)
• Librado Andrade (3)
Joe Calzaghe was rated as the second best 168lb-er on the planet between 1998 and 2001. He became the top-dog at super-middleweight from 2002 until 2007.
However, despite his lofty status in the sport, he very rarely faced decent opposition (i.e. 69% of his world title foes were unranked)!!!
During April 2007, Team Calzaghe rejected a $3m offer from Hennessy Sports for Joe to face his mandatory challenger, Carl Froch. It apparently took less than an hour for the proposal to be rejected.
The following year, Froch’s promoter upped the offer to $8.2m, but that was declined too. And during December 2008 a third and final improved, but undisclosed, offer was submitted to Team Calzaghe, but that was rejected.
Within a 5½ year period, Calzaghe had been decked by Mitchell, Salem, Jones Jr. and Hopkins.
And Joe’s so-called victories over Robin Reid and Bernard Hopkins were very controversial in nature, to the point that even the commentators from his home network, Sky Sports, thought he’d lost those bouts.
Interestingly, Calzaghe refused to entertain the idea of granting either of these guys well-deserved rematches.
It's sad to say that some of Joe Calzaghe’s best wins came against faded veterans (Jones Jr., Hopkins & Eubank Sr.) and also a fighter that was preposterously hyped, despite having never achieved anything of note (Lacy).
Don't get me wrong, Joe was a good fighter, perhaps even Hall-of-Fame worthy, but the amount of hype and praise that's bestowed upon him seems rather unworthy, when you consider his actual resume.
