Poll: Could Prime Mayweather, beat This guy ?

[Boxerbeetle]

I’m by no means a kickboxing fan, partly because I’ve never been particularly impressed by the standard that I’ve seen. I’d take a top boxer to beat a top kickboxer, even in kickboxing. I just don’t think the standard of fighting is anywhere near comparable. Happy to be proved wrong if someone can show me what I’m missing.

[f read]

I’m by no means a kickboxing fan, partly because I’ve never been particularly impressed by the standard that I’ve seen. I’d take a top boxer to beat a top kickboxer, even in kickboxing. I just don’t think the standard of fighting is anywhere near comparable. Happy to be proved wrong if someone can show me what I’m missing.

I remember in PKA many years ago you had to throw a minimum of 6-8 kicks per rounds. If you did not then you lost the round. Many used to just kick to get them out of the way and then concentrate on punching. The kicks were from the waist up and many in kickboxing back in those years did not have great boxing fundamentals. Murray Sutherland was 14-0 in kickboxing and he also defeated Jean Yves Thierault one of the greats. Murray was nothing more than a fringe contender in boxing far from an all time great.

[bobcatbox]

He wasn't allowed to kick vs FMJ. What kind of a comment was that? LMFAO!

what you chatting about, i meant conor is at the top of mma and he aint a kick boxer, his left hand is his weapon ,

I find MMA quite boring but I did eventually watch Mayweather v McGregor (I was never going to pay for that blatant cash-grab) and what struck me the most was how weak and ineffective were McGregor's punches, they looked pitiful, just arm-punches delivered without bodyweight or force.

Having said that I wouldn't have fancied Mayweather's chances against him if McGregor were allowed to bring his full MMA repertoire to the party. Whole different ball-game.

He would finish Mayweather in less than sixty seconds in a full blown MMA cage match.

Two totally different sports with increasingly different fan bases. I’ve tried to get into UFC, and I just can’t. Most UFC fans feel the same way about boxing.

[gilgamesh]

what you chatting about, i meant conor is at the top of mma and he aint a kick boxer, his left hand is his weapon ,

I find MMA quite boring but I did eventually watch Mayweather v McGregor (I was never going to pay for that blatant cash-grab) and what struck me the most was how weak and ineffective were McGregor's punches, they looked pitiful, just arm-punches delivered without bodyweight or force.

Having said that I wouldn't have fancied Mayweather's chances against him if McGregor were allowed to bring his full MMA repertoire to the party. Whole different ball-game.

He would finish Mayweather in less than sixty seconds in a full blown MMA cage match.

Two totally different sports with increasingly different fan bases. I’ve tried to get into UFC, and I just can’t. Most UFC fans feel the same way about boxing.

I don't know if he'd beat Floyd in 60 seconds in the UFC, but it definitely wouldn't make it out of the 1st round.

Even James Toney made it like 90 seconds against Couture didn't he?

[bobcatbox]

I find MMA quite boring but I did eventually watch Mayweather v McGregor (I was never going to pay for that blatant cash-grab) and what struck me the most was how weak and ineffective were McGregor's punches, they looked pitiful, just arm-punches delivered without bodyweight or force.

Having said that I wouldn't have fancied Mayweather's chances against him if McGregor were allowed to bring his full MMA repertoire to the party. Whole different ball-game.

He would finish Mayweather in less than sixty seconds in a full blown MMA cage match.

Two totally different sports with increasingly different fan bases. I’ve tried to get into UFC, and I just can’t. Most UFC fans feel the same way about boxing.

I don't know if he'd beat Floyd in 60 seconds in the UFC, but it definitely wouldn't make it out of the 1st round.

Even James Toney made it like 90 seconds against Couture didn't he?

Lol whatever my point is that’s not even a fight. Much like their boxing match shouldn’t have been much of a fight but surprisingly was somewhat fun. Connor would tap Mayweather out quickly. You can end a fight much quicker in MMA than in boxing. Something that appeals heavily to their fan base.

[gilgamesh]

Floyd could've ended their Boxing match much earlier too. I think he was hoping that if he made it look competitive maybe he could get the public to actually want a rematch.

[goose 5]

I'd rather see a prime Roy Jones Jr. against a muay thai guy simply because he hit much harder than Floyd and his lateral movement was so fast. I still wouldn't bet on Roy to win, but I think he'd be a better choice to represent boxing in such a match.

Years ago, Bobby Chacon sparred with a karate expert and it was written about in a martial arts magazine. Chacon wasn't impressed much by the karate guy, from what I remember. Having said that, muay thai and karate are two different ballgames.

I don't follow kickboxing, but kicking in that sport was relegated to above the waist, at one time . What do you guys think about a boxer versus a kickboxer under those rules ?

[margaret thatcher]

I’m by no means a kickboxing fan, partly because I’ve never been particularly impressed by the standard that I’ve seen. I’d take a top boxer to beat a top kickboxer, even in kickboxing. I just don’t think the standard of fighting is anywhere near comparable. Happy to be proved wrong if someone can show me what I’m missing.

What kickboxing have you seen? Just those random guys when you were in thailand?

You should look up K1 and Glory.

Like boxing, if you base the overall quality of the sport on just random guys, it won't be that high

How are boxers going to deal with kicks to the legs, body, and head. Knees. elbows. Muay thai clinch work.....all stuff they've never had 1 bit of training for or experience in. Ray Merce was iron chinned in boxing but quit in 20 seconds after getting kicked once in a kickboxing match. It's totally different

Someone mentioned a boxer moving in and out to land shots.....well the only way they are gonna be out of range of a kick is if they are way out of range of their own punches.

having followed both sports for years, i have no doubt that the kickboxers have an edge

[margaret thatcher]

I’m by no means a kickboxing fan, partly because I’ve never been particularly impressed by the standard that I’ve seen. I’d take a top boxer to beat a top kickboxer, even in kickboxing. I just don’t think the standard of fighting is anywhere near comparable. Happy to be proved wrong if someone can show me what I’m missing.

I remember in PKA many years ago you had to throw a minimum of 6-8 kicks per rounds. If you did not then you lost the round. Many used to just kick to get them out of the way and then concentrate on punching. The kicks were from the waist up and many in kickboxing back in those years did not have great boxing fundamentals. Murray Sutherland was 14-0 in kickboxing and he also defeated Jean Yves Thierault one of the greats. Murray was nothing more than a fringe contender in boxing far from an all time great.

that sounds like dinky point scoring semi kickboxing that used to be a bigger deal in the us and europe, not the k1 / muay thai rules where you can batter guys whole body with kicks, throw knees, and depending on the version also elbow. even just from a clinch these guys can do all sorts of damage that boxers cant

I mean, it should be pretty obvious to anyone who isnt just a boxing fan trying to defen boxings honor, that guys who can punch, kick, knee, elbow, and elbow/knee from a clinch are more complete standup fighters with more tools at their disposal. They could push kick a dude away harder and from much further out than any opponent could jab them from

They've also been training for years themselves in punching, but boxers have nothing when it comes to the other weapons the kickboxers have

[gilgamesh]

I’m by no means a kickboxing fan, partly because I’ve never been particularly impressed by the standard that I’ve seen. I’d take a top boxer to beat a top kickboxer, even in kickboxing. I just don’t think the standard of fighting is anywhere near comparable. Happy to be proved wrong if someone can show me what I’m missing.

The highlight video of Ernesto Hoost I put up earlier was a good example.

Look up the particularly violent, and volatile Badr Hari. He's something else.

[margaret thatcher]

and look up Buakaw , the first guy posted in the thread

look up the glory champions

look up the k1 and k1 max champs

[candyslim]

Floyd could've ended their Boxing match much earlier too. I think he was hoping that if he made it look competitive maybe he could get the public to actually want a rematch.

I think you might have something there.

[gilgamesh]

Floyd could've ended their Boxing match much earlier too. I think he was hoping that if he made it look competitive maybe he could get the public to actually want a rematch.

I think you might have something there.

Yeah watch it again if you can. It's pretty obvious he's carrying him early on. He barely even does anything, and then when he does start putting offense together it's just straight rights to the body here and there. He doesn't really start turning up the heat on him until like Round 8.

[candyslim]

No need Gil, I thought that at the time. Did you agree with what I said about his (McGregor's) feeble looking arm-punches?

[Boxtune]

I see two members have voted " 4- Punches, Kicks , Elbows and Knees"

Could it be possible Money team see this and Host a fight with Buakhaw in Thailand. Thailand sure brings along lot of holiday makers to fill up a stadium, and Floyd will pay Buakaw good money to take a dive.

[mickey1975]

A friend of mine was a top kick-boxer. Undefeated, fought all over the world. Now he’s boxing. Doing well, not unbeaten.

[margaret thatcher]

What if he could kick the guys

[margaret thatcher]

I see two members have voted " 4- Punches, Kicks , Elbows and Knees"

Could it be possible Money team see this and Host a fight with Buakhaw in Thailand. Thailand sure brings along lot of holiday makers to fill up a stadium, and Floyd will pay Buakaw good money to take a dive.

you dont need an ax to chop down a tree, just some buakaw kicks