Heavyweights: Evander Holyfield vs. Joe Louis

[Djanders44]

12 Rounds. Primes. Yeah...

[DrDuke]

Holyfield would stop Louis. Holyfield was faster, Louis was opened enough for him and had chin issues. Holyfield had a great counter-punching abilities, while Schmeling had his major success with preparing counters, Holyfield could perform no worse.

Holyfield by KO in about 10.

[scorpio83]

Holyfield would stop Louis. Holyfield was faster, Louis was opened enough for him and had chin issues. Holyfield had a great counter-punching abilities, while Schmeling had his major success with preparing counters, Holyfield could perform no worse.

Holyfield by KO in about 10.

Louis with chin issues is a myth. You were thinking about his first fight with Max Schemling, who exposed his weakness by dropping his left after jabbing and got KO in 12. Guess what happens in the rematch? Louis KO Schmeling in 1 to avenge his earlier loss. You didn't watched Louis when he survived a knockdown against Jim Braddock and came back to KO him in 8 to win his World Heavyweight Title. You didn't watched Louis survived a knockdown against "Two Ton" Tony Galento as Louis came back to KO "Two Ton" in 4. You didn't watched Louis survived a knockdown against Buddy Baer in their first fight and Louis came back to batter Baer to retain his title. You didn't watched Louis survived the knockdowns against Jersey Joe Walcott in both fighters and guess what, Louis won both fights, first by controversial decision and KO 11.

12 Rounds is not enough, but in 15 rounds is better in the classic era of boxing.

Louis would adapt Holyfield's counter-punching and not to do the same mistake as those fights I mentioned by jabbing in his face to wear Holyfield down on the outside before knocking him out in 14 rounds after nailing him with heavy punches. If it was a series, then Louis may take 2-1 over Holyfield.

[DrDuke]

Holyfield would stop Louis. Holyfield was faster, Louis was opened enough for him and had chin issues. Holyfield had a great counter-punching abilities, while Schmeling had his major success with preparing counters, Holyfield could perform no worse.

Holyfield by KO in about 10.

Louis with chin issues is a myth. You were thinking about his first fight with Max Schemling, who exposed his weakness by dropping his left after jabbing and got KO in 12. Guess what happens in the rematch? Louis KO Schmeling in 1 to avenge his earlier loss. You didn't watched Louis when he survived a knockdown against Jim Braddock and came back to KO him in 8 to win his World Heavyweight Title. You didn't watched Louis survived a knockdown against "Two Ton" Tony Galento as Louis came back to KO "Two Ton" in 4. You didn't watched Louis survived a knockdown against Buddy Baer in their first fight and Louis came back to batter Baer to retain his title. You didn't watched Louis survived the knockdowns against Jersey Joe Walcott in both fighters and guess what, Louis won both fights, first by controversial decision and KO 11.

12 Rounds is not enough, but in 15 rounds is better in the classic era of boxing.

Louis would adapt Holyfield's counter-punching and not to do the same mistake as those fights I mentioned by jabbing in his face to wear Holyfield down on the outside before knocking him out in 14 rounds after nailing him with heavy punches. If it was a series, then Louis may take 2-1 over Holyfield.

I watched all that stuff and the fact of Louis being decked on numerous occasions obviously speaks for Louis' chin issues.

And do you seriously believe, that Holyfield wouldn't take an advantage of hurting Louis, similarly to the likes of Braddock, Galento or Baer, who had been levels lower in comparison to Holyfield?

[gilgamesh]

Would be a really great fight. I'd have to favor Louis to win a hard fought decision.

[Woldemar]

Louis pts

[goose 5]

I'd love to see Holyfield with six ounce gloves on. Holyfield would knock out Louis, around the mid rounds. His speed, skill and power are the deciding factors for me.

[DrDuke]

I'd love to see Holyfield with six ounce gloves on. Holyfield would knock out Louis, around the mid rounds. His speed, skill and power are the deciding factors for me.

Right, Holy had it all and would KO Joe. Moreover, Holy was tougher, he could take the best of Louis.

[scorpio83]

Would be a really great fight. I'd have to favor Louis to win a hard fought decision.

I strongly agree and Louis win a hard fought decision in a 15 round fight would be a great classic fight.

[emallini]

Holyfield was better in most areas. He wins

[gilgamesh]

Holyfield was better in most areas. He wins

Let's compare abilities

Left Hook: Louis
Right Hand: Louis
Chin: Holyfield
Defense: Even I'd say, but if I had to give an edge I'd say Holyfield
Body punching: Louis
Jab: Louis
Heart: Even
Stamina: Louis
Uppercut: Louis
Footwork: Holyfield

I don't know what else I'm forgetting, but you see Louis has the edge in most of these fields albeit only a slight edge as Holyfield doesn't have a bad left hook or right hand in his own right.

[DrDuke]

Holyfield was better in most areas. He wins

Let's compare abilities

Left Hook: Louis
Right Hand: Louis
Chin: Holyfield
Defense: Even I'd say, but if I had to give an edge I'd say Holyfield
Body punching: Louis
Jab: Louis
Heart: Even
Stamina: Louis
Uppercut: Louis
Footwork: Holyfield

I don't know what else I'm forgetting, but you see Louis has the edge in most of these fields albeit only a slight edge as Holyfield doesn't have a bad left hook or right hand in his own right.

Left hook is close, maybe even better for Holy.

Defense is clearly better for Evander.

Heart is bigger for Holyfield. He had the best heart ever, I'd say.

Stamina is quite even. Holyfield suffered stamina problems only in his Moorer and Bowe #3 fights. In the Moorer case he was injured, in the Bowe case he was coming after suffering hepatitis.

You also forgot speed, where Holyfield was clearly superior.

Plus Holyfield's superior counterpunching and workrate would benefit for him.

[Evander]

Holyfield was better in most areas. He wins

Let's compare abilities

Left Hook: Louis
Right Hand: Louis
Chin: Holyfield
Defense: Even I'd say, but if I had to give an edge I'd say Holyfield
Body punching: Louis
Jab: Louis
Heart: Even
Stamina: Louis
Uppercut: Louis
Footwork: Holyfield

I don't know what else I'm forgetting, but you see Louis has the edge in most of these fields albeit only a slight edge as Holyfield doesn't have a bad left hook or right hand in his own right.

What Louis fights did you watch ?

[gilgamesh]

Holyfield was better in most areas. He wins

Let's compare abilities

Left Hook: Louis
Right Hand: Louis
Chin: Holyfield
Defense: Even I'd say, but if I had to give an edge I'd say Holyfield
Body punching: Louis
Jab: Louis
Heart: Even
Stamina: Louis
Uppercut: Louis
Footwork: Holyfield

I don't know what else I'm forgetting, but you see Louis has the edge in most of these fields albeit only a slight edge as Holyfield doesn't have a bad left hook or right hand in his own right.

What Louis fights did you watch ?

I've seen the Baer, Braddock, Schmeling 2, Billy Conn, Marciano and Walcott fights. And a few of his lesser known foes from when he was older like I wanna say Cesar Brion or something like that.

He's sensational against Baer.

[Djanders44]

My pick is Evander by split decision win.

[Ambling Alp II]

Holyfield was better in most areas. He wins

Let's compare abilities

Left Hook: Louis
Right Hand: Louis
Chin: Holyfield
Defense: Even I'd say, but if I had to give an edge I'd say Holyfield
Body punching: Louis
Jab: Louis
Heart: Even
Stamina: Louis
Uppercut: Louis
Footwork: Holyfield

I don't know what else I'm forgetting, but you see Louis has the edge in most of these fields albeit only a slight edge as Holyfield doesn't have a bad left hook or right hand in his own right.

There is no way that Holyfield had a better defense. That was his biggest weakness. Louis was fundamentally sound and the the better of the two defensively. Otherwise agree with you. More often than not. Louis would win.

[985802]

People giving joe a chance are crazy the man was way to outdated never would land this is a mismatch

[985802]

Holyfield would stop Louis. Holyfield was faster, Louis was opened enough for him and had chin issues. Holyfield had a great counter-punching abilities, while Schmeling had his major success with preparing counters, Holyfield could perform no worse.

Holyfield by KO in about 10.

Why would it take that long holy is way to advanced for him 1st round ko

[985802]

I strongly agree and Louis win a hard fought decision in a 15 round fight would be a great classic fight.
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Holyfield was better in most areas. He wins

I strongly argee your a crazy idiot cause holy is way to advanced for him and the match would be over 1st round by ko from him

[985802]

Would be a really great fight. I'd have to favor Louis to win a hard fought decision.
I'd favor your a crazy idiot cause joe never would land cause holy was way to ad for him

[985802]

Would be a really great fight. I'd have to favor Louis to win a hard fought decision.

I'd favor your a crazy idiot cause joe never would land cause he was slow and stiff and holy was way to advanced for him idiot

[Ambling Alp II]

Holyfield was better in most areas. He wins

Let's compare abilities

Left Hook: Louis
Right Hand: Louis
Chin: Holyfield
Defense: Even I'd say, but if I had to give an edge I'd say Holyfield
Body punching: Louis
Jab: Louis
Heart: Even
Stamina: Louis
Uppercut: Louis
Footwork: Holyfield

I don't know what else I'm forgetting, but you see Louis has the edge in most of these fields albeit only a slight edge as Holyfield doesn't have a bad left hook or right hand in his own right.

Agree with most of this except for defense. That always Holyfield's achilles heel. He was not hard to hit.

[985802]

Holyfield was better in most areas. He wins

Let's compare abilities

Left Hook: Louis
Right Hand: Louis
Chin: Holyfield
Defense: Even I'd say, but if I had to give an edge I'd say Holyfield
Body punching: Louis
Jab: Louis
Heart: Even
Stamina: Louis
Uppercut: Louis
Footwork: Holyfield

I don't know what else I'm forgetting, but you see Louis has the edge in most of these fields albeit only a slight edge as Holyfield doesn't have a bad left hook or right hand in his own right.

Agree with most of this except for defense. That always Holyfield's achilles heel. He was not hard to hit.

Doesn't matter joe wouldn't hit him way to stiff slow and missing of advances so what is your point

[gilgamesh]

Holyfield was better in most areas. He wins

Let's compare abilities

Left Hook: Louis
Right Hand: Louis
Chin: Holyfield
Defense: Even I'd say, but if I had to give an edge I'd say Holyfield
Body punching: Louis
Jab: Louis
Heart: Even
Stamina: Louis
Uppercut: Louis
Footwork: Holyfield

I don't know what else I'm forgetting, but you see Louis has the edge in most of these fields albeit only a slight edge as Holyfield doesn't have a bad left hook or right hand in his own right.

What Louis fights did you watch ?

Baer
Schmeling 1 and 2
Walcott
Marciano
Cesar Brion
Billy Conn

I think I've seen some of the Tony Galento footage. I forget what all ones I've watched, I know I've seen those though.

He looks phenomenal against Baer, shortly before he won the World Title.

[gilgamesh]

Let's compare abilities

Left Hook: Louis
Right Hand: Louis
Chin: Holyfield
Defense: Even I'd say, but if I had to give an edge I'd say Holyfield
Body punching: Louis
Jab: Louis
Heart: Even
Stamina: Louis
Uppercut: Louis
Footwork: Holyfield

I don't know what else I'm forgetting, but you see Louis has the edge in most of these fields albeit only a slight edge as Holyfield doesn't have a bad left hook or right hand in his own right.

Agree with most of this except for defense. That always Holyfield's achilles heel. He was not hard to hit.

Doesn't matter joe wouldn't hit him way to stiff slow and missing of advances so what is your point

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