candyslim wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 05:04Ruiz v Arreola? I can hardly contain my excitement. I'd rather see Parker against Fa and I'm bored shitless at hearing about that.
A fight between Andy Ruiz Jr. and Chris Arreola has been in the works for quite some time, since they're both PBC/Al Haymon fighters.
I wouldn't be surprised to see it included on the undercard of one of Canelo's events, because it'll be a good fit (two durable fleshy Californian-Mexican heavyweights with crowd-pleasing fighting styles) supporting a Mexican superstar (that is also Andy's fellow Eddy Reynoso stablemate).
It won't provide any indication of Andy's ability against his world-rated peers, but I think it'll be an entertaining fight that will force Ruiz Jr. to remain in the gym and keep his weight down.
I know it's been coming but it's a really poor fight. I'm not even going to ask if anyone on here thinks Arreola will win, I'm pretty sure the answer would be zero, but does anyone think that barring a lightning-strike, a bad cut or a freak-injury, does anyone think an Arreola victory is a realistic outcome?
candyslim wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 06:06
I know it's been coming but it's a really poor fight. I'm not even going to ask if anyone on here thinks Arreola will win, I'm pretty sure the answer would be zero, but does anyone think that barring a lightning-strike, a bad cut or a freak-injury, does anyone think an Arreola victory is a realistic outcome?
Would probably mean a bit more if they each won a tune-up first. But, either way, it'd be a cool fight. Ruiz has one amazing win that would make a resume look pretty good if he could get other wins to substantiate that his win over Joshua wasn't purely a fluke. If Whyte beat Ruiz, it would probably be his best win and put him deeply back into the title hunt.
To be fair Chris aquitted himself well against Kownacki. He lost clearly but unexpectedly to me, he did make a contest of it. Prior to that he got a good win over Jean-Pierre Augustin who I was going to say was something of a can despite his 17-0-1 record. (It's a bit unfair though isn't it: "The guy you beat was crap". "How can you say that?" "Because he lost to you") Mind you he drew with Solomon Maye which doesn't exactly hint at world-level potential.
I like Chris Arreola, he is a warrior and a likeable guy. He is as tough as a two dollar steak and he has heart in abundance. Unfortunately he has little else and it's those qualities that have taken him as far as it has. And how far is that? Well, to put it in perspective, I keep a record book of heavyweights who were either ranked at the time of entry, well known journeymen, or prospects. The most recent addition is Justis Huni at number 323 and Murat Gassiev is still awaiting his debut at the weight. I began compiling this book in 2015 and the first entry is Tyson Fury followed by Wlad then Wilder. Joshua is on page 7 in order of ranking. This is five years ago and Arreola is rated 45 in the world back then. You can bet your bollocks he hasn't got any better in the interim. I do believe any version of Ruiz beats any version of Chris Arreola unless Ruiz comes in in such poor shape that he can't hold his gloves up for ten rounds.
Lackeos wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 15:06
Ruiz has one amazing win that would make a resume look pretty good if he could get other wins to substantiate that his win over Joshua wasn't purely a fluke.
Are you forgetting about Andy Ruiz Jr. losing a close controversial decision to Joseph Parker in the Kiwi’s own backyard?
The judges’ scoring was deemed so bad that the New Zealand Professional Boxing Association president actually resigned because of it.
He even said, “It’s bulls****, Joseph Parker didn’t win...I scored it 118-111 in favour of Ruiz”.
When will boxing stop praising mediocrity ?
Ruiz in the 260s may never get lucky again. That's where he is now.
Ruiz in the 250s drained may never get lucky again.
Ruiz in the 250s or under solid could do some important things and be a threat.
Will he get there ? It ain't bloody likely.
As for Whyte he is starting to become damaged goods. They may have stalled him over the cliff.
snake33 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 22:37
When will boxing stop praising mediocrity ?
Ruiz in the 260s may never get lucky again. That's where he is now.
Ruiz in the 250s drained may never get lucky again.
Ruiz in the 250s or under solid could do some important things and be a threat.
Will he get there ? It ain't bloody likely.
As for Whyte he is starting to become damaged goods. They may have stalled him over the cliff.
from that vid I would not be confident betting much on Ruiz sticking with that regime. You could tell even trainer wasn't sure he'd put his phone down for the running pulling jobbie exercise.
But if he sticks with that regime - and surely training alongside Canelo might actually make this happen - Ruiz will be dangerous for whoever he faces next, not just buckets of KFC and tacos
snake33 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 22:37
When will boxing stop praising mediocrity ?
Ruiz in the 260s may never get lucky again. That's where he is now.
Ruiz in the 250s drained may never get lucky again.
Ruiz in the 250s or under solid could do some important things and be a threat.
Will he get there ? It ain't bloody likely.
As for Whyte he is starting to become damaged goods. They may have stalled him over the cliff.
This video was posted a week ago:
I'm not down on the guy. He has fast hands.
But how about a video with his shirt off.
We know he can work out.
But if he follows that up with three combo plates, he stays even.
He has potential but the video doesn't tell the whole story.
candyslim wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 06:06
I know it's been coming but it's a really poor fight. I'm not even going to ask if anyone on here thinks Arreola will win, I'm pretty sure the answer would be zero, but does anyone think that barring a lightning-strike, a bad cut or a freak-injury, does anyone think an Arreola victory is a realistic outcome?
You have to favor Andy, but areola could outwork him. He'll definitely throw way more punches. By the time Andy is ready to fight areola might be 50!
candyslim wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 06:06
I know it's been coming but it's a really poor fight. I'm not even going to ask if anyone on here thinks Arreola will win, I'm pretty sure the answer would be zero, but does anyone think that barring a lightning-strike, a bad cut or a freak-injury, does anyone think an Arreola victory is a realistic outcome?
You have to favor Andy, but areola could outwork him. He'll definitely throw way more punches. By the time Andy is ready to fight areola might be 50!
Were it not for Arreola's performance against Kownacki I'd swear you were joking (Punch volume).
Physically I don't think the task is too difficult to get back to his peak which, let's face it, was never that great in terms of physical conditioning. Having said that he showed he could go 12 rounds and convince many he deserved the decision over Joe Parker despite being very obviously overweight even then.
I think the problem is mental, does he have the desire? I think that's always been a problem even before he became financially well set. It's not going to have got better now.
candyslim wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 06:06
I know it's been coming but it's a really poor fight. I'm not even going to ask if anyone on here thinks Arreola will win, I'm pretty sure the answer would be zero, but does anyone think that barring a lightning-strike, a bad cut or a freak-injury, does anyone think an Arreola victory is a realistic outcome?
You have to favor Andy, but areola could outwork him. He'll definitely throw way more punches. By the time Andy is ready to fight areola might be 50!
Were it not for Arreola's performance against Kownacki I'd swear you were joking (Punch volume).
Physically I don't think the task is too difficult to get back to his peak which, let's face it, was never that great in terms of physical conditioning. Having said that he showed he could go 12 rounds and convince many he deserved the decision over Joe Parker despite being very obviously overweight even then.
I think the problem is mental, does he have the desire? I think that's always been a problem even before he became financially well set. It's not going to have got better now.
Parker/Ruiz was terrible. Likely he lies in the middle of our opinions.
The truth usually lies between the extremes, not that I'd admit my opinion of Ruiz could ever be considered extreme. I just believe that there is a real fighter beneath that blubber if only he would apply himself properly and consistently.
Now if i believed he was going to do that, that would be extreme
