Canelo Alvarez vacates WBA Middleweight Belt

[apollo creed]

So you desperately want to see a faded 40 y/o Golovkin getting defeat by a young fighter just to make a mockery of him on this forum for your own satisfaction. lol Guess what, boy?! Golovkin is a self-made multimillionaire prize-fighter with a solid resume and you can't do nothing about that!

Golovkin did his hard work. Now he's almost 40 y/o. His resume is pretty solid. These young fighters need to fight each other and stop waiting Canelo.


Grzegorz Proksa - 2012 No. 10 by Ring Magazine
Curtis Stevens - 2013 No. 10 by Ring Magazine
Matthew Macklin - 2013 No. 6 by Ring Magazine
Daniel Geale - 2014 No. 4 by Ring Magazine
David Lemieux - 2015 No. 4 by Ring Magazine
Daniel Jacobs - 2017 No. 2 by Ring Magazine
Saul Alvarez - 2017 Champion by Ring Magazine
Saul Alvarez - 2018 Champion by Ring Magazine
Sergiy Derevyanchenko - 2019 No. 4 by Ring Magazine
Kamil Szeremeta - 2020 No. 6 by Ring Magazine

[Enlightened-One]

So you desperately want to see a faded 40 y/o Golovkin getting defeat by a young fighter just to make a mockery of him on this forum for your own satisfaction. lol Guess what, boy?! Golovkin is a self-made multimillionaire prize-fighter with a solid resume and you can't do nothing about that!

Golovkin did his hard work. Now he's almost 40 y/o. His resume is pretty solid. These young fighters need to fight each other and stop waiting Canelo.


Curtis Stevens - 2013 No. 10 by Ring Magazine

I noticed you'd side-stepped my comment about GGG not being elevated to becoming The RING champion, due to his refusal to face any of the top three rated middleweights?

Oh well, I'll allow you to change the topic, since you really can't help being wrong, can you?

10 + 1 = 11

Simple maths.

The following fighters were rated above Curtis Stevens by The RING during 2013 (immediately prior to facing GGG) :

1) Sergio Martinez
2) Gennady Golovkin
3) Darren Barker
4) Daniel Geale
5) Felix Sturm
6) Peter Quillin
7) Martin Murray
8) Matthew Macklin
9) Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam
10) Marco Antonio Rubio

Simply put, Curtis Stevens was never considered a top-ten world-rated middleweight fighter by The RING or anyone else (i.e. TBRB or ESPN).

Most of the other ratings you've cited are wrong, but I thought I'd focus on one of them to prove a point.

And you also surprisingly forgot about Marco Antonio Rubio, because he definitely was a top-ten world-rated middleweight.

So you can't even correctly cite facts that wholly endorse your preferred narrative!

[apollo creed]

https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_ ... ings:_2013
FACTS!

LOL You talk about Stevens like he is the only Ring Magazine rated fighter on G's resume. Golovkin fought even better rated Ring mw fighters including the mw Ring Magazine Champion in Canelo ! You are in damage control mode with Curtis Stevens . lol



Btw how many top 10 Ring Magazine or ESPN fighters fought Charlito and Andrada compared to GGG?

[apollo creed]

You did a good job by finding Rubio's 2013 Ring rating. Another top 10 Ring rated mw that GGG fought!



Grzegorz Proksa - 2012 No. 10 by Ring Magazine
Curtis Stevens - 2013 No. 10 by Ring Magazine
Matthew Macklin - 2013 No. 6 by Ring Magazine
Marco Antonio Rubio - 2013 No. 10 by Ring Magazine (EO's find)
Daniel Geale - 2014 No. 4 by Ring Magazine
David Lemieux - 2015 No. 4 by Ring Magazine
Daniel Jacobs - 2017 No. 2 by Ring Magazine
Saul Alvarez - 2017 Champion by Ring Magazine
Saul Alvarez - 2018 Champion by Ring Magazine
Sergiy Derevyanchenko - 2019 No. 4 by Ring Magazine
Kamil Szeremeta - 2020 No. 6 by Ring Magazine

[Ruthless-RKO]

You did a good job by finding Rubio's 2013 Ring rating. Another top 10 Ring rated mw that GGG fought!



Grzegorz Proksa - 2012 No. 10 by Ring Magazine
Curtis Stevens - 2013 No. 10 by Ring Magazine
Matthew Macklin - 2013 No. 6 by Ring Magazine
Marco Antonio Rubio - 2013 No. 10 by Ring Magazine (EO's find)
Daniel Geale - 2014 No. 4 by Ring Magazine
David Lemieux - 2015 No. 4 by Ring Magazine
Daniel Jacobs - 2017 No. 2 by Ring Magazine
Saul Alvarez - 2017 Champion by Ring Magazine
Saul Alvarez - 2018 Champion by Ring Magazine
Sergiy Derevyanchenko - 2019 No. 4 by Ring Magazine
Kamil Szeremeta - 2020 No. 6 by Ring Magazine

Andrade has probably fought no more than 3 RING rated boxers.

Charlo, I’m not so sure, maybe most of ones he’s fought were more close to #10.. I’d have to sit down and look at the rankings..

[apollo creed]

You did a good job by finding Rubio's 2013 Ring rating. Another top 10 Ring rated mw that GGG fought!



Grzegorz Proksa - 2012 No. 10 by Ring Magazine
Curtis Stevens - 2013 No. 10 by Ring Magazine
Matthew Macklin - 2013 No. 6 by Ring Magazine
Marco Antonio Rubio - 2013 No. 10 by Ring Magazine (EO's find)
Daniel Geale - 2014 No. 4 by Ring Magazine
David Lemieux - 2015 No. 4 by Ring Magazine
Daniel Jacobs - 2017 No. 2 by Ring Magazine
Saul Alvarez - 2017 Champion by Ring Magazine
Saul Alvarez - 2018 Champion by Ring Magazine
Sergiy Derevyanchenko - 2019 No. 4 by Ring Magazine
Kamil Szeremeta - 2020 No. 6 by Ring Magazine

Andrade has probably fought no more than 3 RING rated boxers.

Charlo, I’m not so sure, maybe most of ones he’s fought were more close to #10.. I’d have to sit down and look at the rankings..

10x

As I thought, their resumes are poor compared with GGG's resume. It seems that eo is afraid to come with a valid-factual answer.

Charlo & Andrade should find a way to fight each other to have that marquee fight on their resumes. Waiting for old Golovkin or Canelo ain't gonna do nothing good for their boxing legacy.

[skanksta]

Surely his next fight must be BJS in front of a huge crowd in UK (Covid permitting).

Will be great to see a raucous hostile atmosphere against the home fighter !

[Enlightened-One]

LOL You talk about Stevens like he is the only Ring Magazine rated fighter on G's resume. Golovkin fought even better rated Ring mw fighters including the mw Ring Magazine Champion in Canelo ! You are in damage control mode with Curtis Stevens . lol

I only ever claimed to list the top-ten world-rated middleweight fighters that GGG beat.

If you believe otherwise, then quote my words.

You won’t even bother trying to do this though, won’t you, because you already anticipate the outcome!

Stevens was never considered by anyone as a top-ten world-rated middleweight. Even the RING rated ten men above him, which means his best rating was only eleventh.

Simple maths: 10 + 1 = 11

And GGG has never officially beaten Canelo, hence the reason why he’s excluded from my list.

Your ratings are wrong because you can’t count.

[Ruthless-RKO]

LOL You talk about Stevens like he is the only Ring Magazine rated fighter on G's resume. Golovkin fought even better rated Ring mw fighters including the mw Ring Magazine Champion in Canelo ! You are in damage control mode with Curtis Stevens . lol

And GGG has never officially beaten Canelo, hence the reason why he’s excluded from my list.

Come one EO, GGG successfully defended and retained his world titles against Canelo. No one else since FMJ has done that.

[Enlightened-One]

LOL You talk about Stevens like he is the only Ring Magazine rated fighter on G's resume. Golovkin fought even better rated Ring mw fighters including the mw Ring Magazine Champion in Canelo ! You are in damage control mode with Curtis Stevens . lol

And GGG has never officially beaten Canelo, hence the reason why he’s excluded from my list.

Come one EO, GGG successfully defended and retained his world titles against Canelo. No one else since FMJ has done that.

GGG’s performance against Canelo during their first bout was admittedly impressive, but there’s an obvious reason why I wrote the following...

And GGG has never officially beaten Canelo, hence the reason why he’s excluded from my list.

...because it’s undeniably factually-accurate.

Don’t you agree?

And let’s not forget the actual context for my claims...

I only ever claimed to list the top-ten world-rated middleweight fighters that GGG beat.

[oogiebe]

I've never seen a poster so obsessed with a hate for a fighter.

[The Gratest]

Anyone else getting a feeling of deja poo reading this thread?

[oogiebe]

Anyone else getting a feeling of deja poo reading this thread?

EO's Groundhog Day

[Enlightened-One]

I've never seen a poster so obsessed with a hate for a fighter.

I’ve listed facts.

I haven’t said anything particularly derogatory about GGG.

I keep asking people to quote any of my posts where I’ve stated something they found unacceptable, but none of them can do this, since they already know it’s impossible.

Golovkin’s die-hard fans may be frustrated by the facts I’ve listed, but they’re clearly out of my control, since the truth is what it is.

I guess the reason why people resort to personal insults, is because they can’t undermine my facts, so instead try to undermine my credibility.

And I don’t really mind them doing this.

Since these type of threads receive a lot of hits, which actually gains more exposure for all the facts I’ve listed.

[oogiebe]

I've never seen a poster so obsessed with a hate for a fighter.

I’ve listed facts.

I haven’t said anything particularly derogatory about GGG.

I keep asking people to quote any of my posts where I’ve stated something they found unacceptable, but none of them can do this, since they already know it’s impossible.

Golovkin’s die-hard fans may be frustrated by the facts I’ve listed, but they’re clearly out of my control, since the truth is what it is.

I guess the reason why people resort to personal insults, because they can’t undermine my facts, so instead try to undermine my credibility.

And I don’t really mind them doing this.

Since these type of threads receive a lot of hits, which actually gains more exposure for all the facts I’ve listed.

Face facts, sir EO. YOu never let an opportunity to degrade GGG's career slip by. Refute that if you can.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I've never seen a poster so obsessed with a hate for a fighter.

I’ve listed facts.

I haven’t said anything particularly derogatory about GGG.

I keep asking people to quote any of my posts where I’ve stated something they found unacceptable, but none of them can do this, since they already know it’s impossible.

Golovkin’s die-hard fans may be frustrated by the facts I’ve listed, but they’re clearly out of my control, since the truth is what it is.

I guess the reason why people resort to personal insults, is because they can’t undermine my facts, so instead try to undermine my credibility.

And I don’t really mind them doing this.

Since these type of threads receive a lot of hits, which actually gains more exposure for all the facts I’ve listed.

Facts aside.. we here at this forum, I don’t think we’ve ever heard your opinions? Or are your opinions the facts? Surely you have your own opinion on lots of stuff.

Maybe we ought to know the EO behind these ‘FACTS’.. is he there?

[Enlightened-One]

Facts aside.. we here at this forum, I don’t think we’ve ever heard your opinions? Or are your opinions the facts? Surely you have your own opinion on lots of stuff.

Maybe we ought to know the EO behind these ‘FACTS’.. is he there?

I regularly express my opinions and also make predictions.

That said, I usually tread carefully when engaging in a sensitive subject matter, such as suggesting an inconvenient truth that may offend die-hard fans, so I shield myself using undeniable easily-verifiable facts.

So whenever people accuse me of being a “hater” or making claims that I never once conveyed, I always ask them to quote my words.

And they never can, because they already realise they’ve had to resort to lies in order to discredit the person, rather than directly addressing their irrefutable facts.

Nothing else needs to be said.

[Enlightened-One]

I've never seen a poster so obsessed with a hate for a fighter.

I’ve listed facts.

I haven’t said anything particularly derogatory about GGG.

I keep asking people to quote any of my posts where I’ve stated something they found unacceptable, but none of them can do this, since they already know it’s impossible.

Golovkin’s die-hard fans may be frustrated by the facts I’ve listed, but they’re clearly out of my control, since the truth is what it is.

I guess the reason why people resort to personal insults, because they can’t undermine my facts, so instead try to undermine my credibility.

And I don’t really mind them doing this.

Since these type of threads receive a lot of hits, which actually gains more exposure for all the facts I’ve listed.

Face facts, sir EO. YOu never let an opportunity to degrade GGG's career slip by. Refute that if you can.

OK, why don’t you read my posts in this thread and quote any sentences I wrote you felt weren’t factually accurate and were also derogatory in nature to GGG?

I guess you won’t try to do this, because you already know you cannot possibly find anything.

[oogiebe]

I’ve listed facts.

I haven’t said anything particularly derogatory about GGG.

I keep asking people to quote any of my posts where I’ve stated something they found unacceptable, but none of them can do this, since they already know it’s impossible.

Golovkin’s die-hard fans may be frustrated by the facts I’ve listed, but they’re clearly out of my control, since the truth is what it is.

I guess the reason why people resort to personal insults, because they can’t undermine my facts, so instead try to undermine my credibility.

And I don’t really mind them doing this.

Since these type of threads receive a lot of hits, which actually gains more exposure for all the facts I’ve listed.

Face facts, sir EO. YOu never let an opportunity to degrade GGG's career slip by. Refute that if you can.

OK, why don’t you read my posts in this thread and quote any sentences I wrote you felt weren’t factually accurate and were also derogatory in nature to GGG?

I guess you won’t try to do this, because you already know you cannot possibly find anything.

HA ha! You are so repetitive. You've gotten boring. You were proven wrong already. You manipulate the facts; move the goalposts; and declare victory like the Knight from montey python. EVeryone has proven you wrong. The only one who ever disagrees...is you.
Besides, you know you hate GGG. Either that or you're just plain stupid.

[Enlightened-One]

Face facts, sir EO. YOu never let an opportunity to degrade GGG's career slip by. Refute that if you can.

OK, why don’t you read my posts in this thread and quote any sentences I wrote you felt weren’t factually accurate and were also derogatory in nature to GGG?

I guess you won’t try to do this, because you already know you cannot possibly find anything.

HA ha! You are so repetitive. You've gotten boring. You were proven wrong already. You manipulate the facts; move the goalposts; and declare victory like the Knight from montey python. EVeryone has proven you wrong. The only one who ever disagrees...is you.
Besides, you know you hate GGG. Either that or you're just plain stupid.

So in other words, you’re offended by facts.

And your only defence mechanism is to blatantly lie about the things I’ve allegedly said or claimed.

OK, kid. No worries.

[oogiebe]

OK, why don’t you read my posts in this thread and quote any sentences I wrote you felt weren’t factually accurate and were also derogatory in nature to GGG?

I guess you won’t try to do this, because you already know you cannot possibly find anything.

HA ha! You are so repetitive. You've gotten boring. You were proven wrong already. You manipulate the facts; move the goalposts; and declare victory like the Knight from montey python. EVeryone has proven you wrong. The only one who ever disagrees...is you.
Besides, you know you hate GGG. Either that or you're just plain stupid.

So in other words, you’re offended by facts.

And your only defence mechanism is to blatantly lie about the things I’ve allegedly said or claimed.

OK, kid. No worries.

Girls like you don't offend me. You're just a pebble in my shoe. Get over yourself, your're meaningless.
Everyone knows you can't resist going off the rails on GGG.

[DrDuke]

Facts aside.. we here at this forum, I don’t think we’ve ever heard your opinions? Or are your opinions the facts? Surely you have your own opinion on lots of stuff.

Maybe we ought to know the EO behind these ‘FACTS’.. is he there?

I regularly express my opinions and also make predictions.

Who, in your opinion, won their first fight, Golovkin or Canelo?

[apollo creed]

OK, why don’t you read my posts in this thread and quote any sentences I wrote you felt weren’t factually accurate and were also derogatory in nature to GGG?

I guess you won’t try to do this, because you already know you cannot possibly find anything.

HA ha! You are so repetitive. You've gotten boring. You were proven wrong already. You manipulate the facts; move the goalposts; and declare victory like the Knight from montey python. EVeryone has proven you wrong. The only one who ever disagrees...is you.
Besides, you know you hate GGG. Either that or you're just plain stupid.

So in other words, you’re offended by facts.

And your only defence mechanism is to blatantly lie about the things I’ve allegedly said or claimed.

OK, kid. No worries.

You're the one offended by facts!



Grzegorz Proksa - 2012 No. 10 by Ring Magazine
Curtis Stevens - 2013 No. 10 by Ring Magazine
Matthew Macklin - 2013 No. 6 by Ring Magazine
Marco Antonio Rubio - 2013 No. 10 by Ring Magazine (EO's find)
Daniel Geale - 2014 No. 4 by Ring Magazine
David Lemieux - 2015 No. 4 by Ring Magazine
Daniel Jacobs - 2017 No. 2 by Ring Magazine
Saul Alvarez - 2017 Champion by Ring Magazine
Saul Alvarez - 2018 Champion by Ring Magazine
Sergiy Derevyanchenko - 2019 No. 4 by Ring Magazine
Kamil Szeremeta - 2020 No. 6 by Ring Magazine

These accomplishments of GGG are solid and you can't do nothing about that than be mad and sore. FACTS! lol

[apollo creed]

Face facts, sir EO. YOu never let an opportunity to degrade GGG's career slip by. Refute that if you can.

OK, why don’t you read my posts in this thread and quote any sentences I wrote you felt weren’t factually accurate and were also derogatory in nature to GGG?

I guess you won’t try to do this, because you already know you cannot possibly find anything.

HA ha! You are so repetitive. You've gotten boring. You were proven wrong already. You manipulate the facts; move the goalposts; and declare victory like the Knight from montey python. EVeryone has proven you wrong. The only one who ever disagrees...is you.
Besides, you know you hate GGG. Either that or you're just plain stupid.

so true.


User Datsue described very well this type of attention seeker-troll like E.O :

" Intelligent or not, he's a complete disingenuous arsehole who cloaks his own opinions in a veneer of bullshit while pretending that he's in fact impartial.
Yet watch him when it's someone he doesn't have a gaping wide-on for in the dock...!
It's like listening to one of those right-wing media types who thinks that saying the word "fact" can simply make inconvenient things that they don't like go away, & that if they keep thrashing things out in a long-winded convoluted fashion you'll lose sight of consensus reality & accept their Byzantine version of events that—despite their constant appeals to some sort of "objectivity"—is only supported by their opinions & their bullshit rhetoric. "

Almost everytime when EO is posting he's leaving a 'maneuvering space' to have a leverage in a possible arque with other posters. He just craves for attention and validation on this forum. lol

[Enlightened-One]

Facts aside.. we here at this forum, I don’t think we’ve ever heard your opinions? Or are your opinions the facts? Surely you have your own opinion on lots of stuff.

Maybe we ought to know the EO behind these ‘FACTS’.. is he there?

I regularly express my opinions and also make predictions.

Who, in your opinion, won their first fight, Golovkin or Canelo?

Many people who frequent this forum try to fit in by adopting some sort of herd or mob mentality. They're unduly influenced by their peers and feel compelled to mirror the emotional behaviour and conduct of their allies.

They also prefer to reside within echo chambers, whereby they're only willing to accept information sourced from their like-minded peers that amplify the herd's beliefs.

And any individuals, like me, that perform research, by reviewing all the evidence, and independently drawing conclusions, are generally ostracised from the pack.

So I'm always portrayed as a "hater", when this clearly isn't the case.

Anyway, to answer your question, I genuinely believe that people's recollections of historical events become distorted and unrealistic over time.

So instead I'll quote a post I submitted to this forum a couple of days after GGG's first bout against Canelo:

I watched the fight live, in a drunken stupor with friends, so I didn't score each round and was briefly distracted at times.

My gut instinct told me that Canelo did well during the early and late stages of the contest, with GGG gaining the winning momentum during the middle rounds.

I didn't agree with the scoring of the Box-Nation commentators for at least two rounds, so I had the bout very close, with perhaps Golovkin shading it by a small margin.

Some rounds were very hard to score, since it depended on personal stylistic preference, such as workrate and aggression versus a skilful defence and sporadic eye-catching punch combinations.

It seemed impossible for me to award more than eight rounds to either fighter.

So it wouldn't surprise me if there were a few people that thought that Canelo deserved to win.

However, it didn't surprise me to read Chris Mannix published a tweet stating that the vast majority of the media scored the bout either as a draw or gave it to GGG by a two point margin.