The best pound-for-pound boxers of all time

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Roy Jones VS FMjr P4P accomplishment.

Roy
Olympic Gold Medal. Val Barker trophy.

Floyd
Olympic Bronze medal.

Best wins

Roy
Dominated unbeaten p4p prime James Toney at Toneys original weightclass.

Floyd
Beat Manny Pacquioa half a decade or more after the fight should have taken place. Pacman had 5 losses on his record at that time and had moved up 7 weight classes during his career.

Second best win

Roy
BHOP dominant performance vs semigreen unbeaten BHOP who went on the become a legend.

Floyd
Dificult fight vs Miguel Cotto who didnt really do much after this fight and had two losses on his record.

Third best win

Roy
Beating Johnny Ruiz. Capturing that hw title has its charm.

Floyd
Beating zombie weightdrained Canelo Alvarez.

Fourth

Roy
Hard fought win over Antonio Tarver

Floyd
Beating Ricky Hatton

Fifth
Roy
Jorge Castro. Amazing underrated fighter.

Floyd
Zab Judah. An excellent fighter that had big highs and lows.

Two negative things to say about both and one positive
Roy
It didnt last that long. Crashed hard. Made incredible fighters look average and below.
Floyd
Pretty much didnt fight anyone at the right time. Got alot of credit for beating micky mouse fighters. Never officially lost a bout.

If we'd only look at these items excluding the compliments.

Amateurs Roy 10-Floyd 8
Best fight. Roy 10-Floyd 8
2nd best. Roy 10-Floyd 9
3rd best. Roy 10- Floyd 10
4th best. Roy 10- Floyd 10
5th best. Roy 10- Floyd 10.

After 6 rounds of boxing.
Roy Jones jr 60 - Floyd Mayweather jr 55
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Not convincing.
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H8Usernames wrote: 04 Jan 2021, 20:13 Roy Jones VS FMjr P4P accomplishment.

Roy
Olympic Gold Medal. Val Barker trophy.

Floyd
Olympic Bronze medal.

Best wins

Roy
Dominated unbeaten p4p prime James Toney at Toneys original weightclass.

Floyd
Beat Manny Pacquioa half a decade or more after the fight should have taken place. Pacman had 5 losses on his record at that time and had moved up 7 weight classes during his career.

Second best win

Roy
BHOP dominant performance vs semigreen unbeaten BHOP who went on the become a legend.

Floyd
Dificult fight vs Miguel Cotto who didnt really do much after this fight and had two losses on his record.

Third best win

Roy
Beating Johnny Ruiz. Capturing that hw title has its charm.

Floyd
Beating zombie weightdrained Canelo Alvarez.

Fourth

Roy
Hard fought win over Antonio Tarver

Floyd
Beating Ricky Hatton

Fifth
Roy
Jorge Castro. Amazing underrated fighter.

Floyd
Zab Judah. An excellent fighter that had big highs and lows.

Two negative things to say about both and one positive
Roy
It didnt last that long. Crashed hard. Made incredible fighters look average and below.
Floyd
Pretty much didnt fight anyone at the right time. Got alot of credit for beating micky mouse fighters. Never officially lost a bout.

If we'd only look at these items excluding the compliments.

Amateurs Roy 10-Floyd 8
Best fight. Roy 10-Floyd 8
2nd best. Roy 10-Floyd 9
3rd best. Roy 10- Floyd 10
4th best. Roy 10- Floyd 10
5th best. Roy 10- Floyd 10.

After 6 rounds of boxing.
Roy Jones jr 60 - Floyd Mayweather jr 55
You're wrong immediately.

Roy Jones didn't win the Gold Medal. He won the Silver.

Bullsh*t decision though it may have been, it was Silver.
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gilgamesh wrote: 04 Jan 2021, 20:28 You're wrong immediately.

Roy Jones didn't win the Gold Medal. He won the Silver.

Bullsh*t decision though it may have been, it was Silver.
A Val Barker Trophy and no gold medal is a contradiction. Roy won the gold regardless of the type of metal in his medallion. Besides the robbery story probably generated more press for him than a fair shake ever would have.
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Lists like this are bit silly to me. Boxing has changed so much that it is impossible to compare fighters from different eras.

In my opinion Pac is greater than Mayweather. Accomplished more in hes career and did not cherry pick. There is a good reason why Mayweather avoided Pac for all those years. He knew he would have been beaten.

HW gets bit extra credit in these discussions. In my opinion it is deserved. Without the weight limit there is less room to gain advantages. Opponent will not be drained from cutting too much weight. Can't really move around weight limits and cherry pick opponents and call your self a champ. Gotta face the best in HW if you want to be the best. Just think how much shit Canelo would have gotten for avoiding prime GGG if they both were HW fighters. Or Pac and May being the HW champions at the same time and not fighting.
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Heretic wrote: 05 Jan 2021, 09:27 Lists like this are bit silly to me. Boxing has changed so much that it is impossible to compare fighters from different eras.

In my opinion Pac is greater than Mayweather. Accomplished more in hes career and did not cherry pick. There is a good reason why Mayweather avoided Pac for all those years. He knew he would have been beaten.

HW gets bit extra credit in these discussions. In my opinion it is deserved. Without the weight limit there is less room to gain advantages. Opponent will not be drained from cutting too much weight. Can't really move around weight limits and cherry pick opponents and call your self a champ. Gotta face the best in HW if you want to be the best. Just think how much shit Canelo would have gotten for avoiding prime GGG if they both were HW fighters. Or Pac and May being the HW champions at the same time and not fighting.
The main thing you have to take with a grain of salt now when comparing modern fighters to older generations is "Today's fighter held 12 Champions and competed in 26 title bouts so he MUST BE the greatest" kinda thing, because back in the day he could've had just as meaningful a career, fought just as tough a list of opponents, and possibly only ever won 1 Championship at the most, and competed in significantly less title bouts.

Not because he wasn't just as great a fighter, but because Championships weren't handed out like tic tacs back then.
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Heretic wrote: 05 Jan 2021, 09:27In my opinion Pac is greater than Mayweather. Accomplished more in hes career and did not cherry pick. There is a good reason why Mayweather avoided Pac for all those years. He knew he would have been beaten.
Pacquiao rejected a career-high payday when he refused to face Money May, because he didn't want to undergo random unannounced drug testing, which resulted in the Filipino ducking Floyd Mayweather Jr. in December 2009, despite the financials, the venue and the fight-date having already been agreed by both sides. There's a video of the Filipino admitting this to Brian Kenny.

Manny Pacquiao also preferred to extend his contract with Top Rank/HBO on multiple occasions, knowing full-well that Mayweather and all the top-dogs at welterweight were on the opposite side of the street.

This resulted in Pacquiao engaging in bouts that many people didn't really want to see (i.e. Juan Manuel Marquez [fourth time], Brandon Rios, Timothy Bradley Jr. [2nd & 3rd time] and Chris Algieri etc.). He kept having to engage in rematches, because the Top Rank/HBO 147lbs talent pool was incredibly shallow.

In stark contrast, Floyd signed a record-breaking 30-month six-fight deal with Showtime (averaging $40m per bout, excluding the eventual Pacquiao super-fight, with his purse allegedly in the region of $180m).

Mayweather fulfilled his Showtime contract by facing Guerrero, Canelo, Maidana, Pacquiao and Berto, which were all far more interesting opponents than those Manny fought over the equivalent timeframe.

Therefore, there is a good reason why Pac avoided Mayweather, as well as the drug testing, for all those years. He knew he would have been beaten and exposed as a PED cheat! :OhYes: :TU:

If he was "clean", then surely he would have taken the test in order to face Mayweather?

And if you think that my comments about Pacquiao's refusal to engage in a super-fight due to drug testing were unfair, do your research and prove me wrong!
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margaret thatcher wrote: 03 Jan 2021, 20:48 If you don't have ryan garcia there then you're a hater
Record breaker Golovkin should be top 5 as well.
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H8Usernames wrote: 04 Jan 2021, 20:13 Roy Jones VS FMjr P4P accomplishment.

Roy
Olympic Gold Medal. Val Barker trophy.

Floyd
Olympic Bronze medal.

Best wins

Roy
Dominated unbeaten p4p prime James Toney at Toneys original weightclass.

Floyd
Beat Manny Pacquioa half a decade or more after the fight should have taken place. Pacman had 5 losses on his record at that time and had moved up 7 weight classes during his career.

Second best win

Roy
BHOP dominant performance vs semigreen unbeaten BHOP who went on the become a legend.

Floyd
Dificult fight vs Miguel Cotto who didnt really do much after this fight and had two losses on his record.

Third best win

Roy
Beating Johnny Ruiz. Capturing that hw title has its charm.

Floyd
Beating zombie weightdrained Canelo Alvarez.

Fourth

Roy
Hard fought win over Antonio Tarver

Floyd
Beating Ricky Hatton

Fifth
Roy
Jorge Castro. Amazing underrated fighter.

Floyd
Zab Judah. An excellent fighter that had big highs and lows.

Two negative things to say about both and one positive
Roy
It didnt last that long. Crashed hard. Made incredible fighters look average and below.
Floyd
Pretty much didnt fight anyone at the right time. Got alot of credit for beating micky mouse fighters. Never officially lost a bout.

If we'd only look at these items excluding the compliments.

Amateurs Roy 10-Floyd 8
Best fight. Roy 10-Floyd 8
2nd best. Roy 10-Floyd 9
3rd best. Roy 10- Floyd 10
4th best. Roy 10- Floyd 10
5th best. Roy 10- Floyd 10.

After 6 rounds of boxing.
Roy Jones jr 60 - Floyd Mayweather jr 55
Another error in your post.
Bhop was not undefeated when he faced RJJ.
He lost his first pro fight.
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Heretic wrote: 05 Jan 2021, 09:27 In my opinion Pac is greater than Mayweather. Accomplished more in hes career and did not cherry pick. There is a good reason why Mayweather avoided Pac for all those years. He knew he would have been beaten.
Such a shame it never happened a lot earlier. Whose fault it was, probably both of them what with all the mind games and crap getting thrown around. Just too much sh1t involved in wanting to gain the upperhand.

Prime Pac was awesome, cutting a swathe through the divisions with his non-stop action style, capturing numerous titles whilst never failing a drug test. However, I've always felt that Mayweather jr might have had the style to neutralise him and escape with a close points win no matter when it took place. :TU:
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oogiebe wrote: 04 Jan 2021, 17:00
H8Usernames wrote: 04 Jan 2021, 16:46 Who beats who.

P4P

#1. Roy Jones Jr

As far as accomplishment goes he also belongs pretty high on that list. Olympic gold medal. Capturing a Hw title. Making Vinny Paz look like a soft opponent. Not getting hit by James Toney for 12 rounds and even knocking him down. Giving BHop a beating. Knocking out Virgil Hill. Scoring an easy victory over Jorge Castro. Beating Antonio Tarver. Beating Reggie Johnson in mismatch fashion. Going down to 170 to show that he really wasnt even ever a big Lhw.

Haters will hate though.
and lovers will love, apparently. :OhYes:
:TU:
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The Gratest wrote: 05 Jan 2021, 11:35
margaret thatcher wrote: 03 Jan 2021, 20:48 If you don't have ryan garcia there then you're a hater
Record breaker Golovkin should be top 5 as well.
yep, so many defenses of his world titles, it's a fact :yay:
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I'm no boxing historian, but given the title is pound-for-pound surely it's not necessarily a list of who is the best ever.

For example, I would think one good starting criteria to compare the modern era with historical boxers is to count how many lineal titles a boxer held in the 8 historical divisions.

So if you held the lineal at Feather AND Super Feather, that should only count as one title.

Surely it's not as simple as saying the 5'8" who beat the 5'5" guy is the therefore the better pound for pound fighter. Otherwise words start to lose all meaning.
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tiny_acres wrote: 05 Jan 2021, 11:41
Another error in your post.
Bhop was not undefeated when he faced RJJ.
He lost his first pro fight.
Such great errors that you guys are finding. Did I also forget an exclamationmark or make a typo somewhere?

It really sounds like you guys are saying "You are right when you make such weak points."
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H8Usernames wrote: 06 Jan 2021, 10:29
tiny_acres wrote: 05 Jan 2021, 11:41
Another error in your post.
Bhop was not undefeated when he faced RJJ.
He lost his first pro fight.
Such great errors that you guys are finding. Did I also forget an exclamationmark or make a typo somewhere?

It really sounds like you guys are saying "You are right when you make such weak points."
I personally dont agree with your opinion on the topic at all.
But the parts that can be backed up with actual facts should at least be accurate.
Obviously they were not.
The rest of your post is just opinions. We all have them. Mine obviously differ from yours
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A quick RJJr vs Pacman 6 P4P 6 Rounder.

Amateurs
Not a fair comparisson. Pacman didnt have access to Sugar Ray Leonard or Floyd Mayweather sr etc like Roy and Floyd did.

10-10

Best wins.
Toney and Miguel Cotti
10-9 RJJR

2nd
BHOP and Marco Antonio Barrera
10-10

3Rd
Johnny Ruiz and Ricky Hatton
10-9 RJjr

4th
Antonio Tarver and Timothy Bradley
10-9 RJjr

5th
Big tossup for Pacman but lets place ODLH and Jorge Castro here.
10-9 RJjr

Your winner by ud Roy Jones jr 60-56. Pacman won 1 round more than FMJR vs RJjr but still lost by a shutout decision. Yeah... these guys Pacman and FMjr belong so so much higher on p4p lists than RJjr does.

You fellows are just mainstream fans really and sheeple. It isnt popular to admit RJJr's accomplishments any more "so its best to just say that he was no good."
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H8Usernames wrote: 06 Jan 2021, 10:58 A quick RJJr vs Pacman 6 P4P 6 Rounder.

Amateurs
Not a fair comparisson. Pacman didnt have access to Sugar Ray Leonard or Floyd Mayweather sr etc like Roy and Floyd did.

10-10

Best wins.
Toney and Miguel Cotti
10-9 RJJR

2nd
BHOP and Marco Antonio Barrera
10-10

3Rd
Johnny Ruiz and Ricky Hatton
10-9 RJjr

4th
Antonio Tarver and Timothy Bradley
10-9 RJjr

5th
Big tossup for Pacman but lets place ODLH and Jorge Castro here.
10-9 RJjr

Your winner by ud Roy Jones jr 60-56. Pacman won 1 round more than FMJR vs RJjr but still lost by a shutout decision. Yeah... these guys Pacman and FMjr belong so so much higher on p4p lists than RJjr does.

You fellows are just mainstream fans really and sheeple. It isnt popular to admit RJJr's accomplishments any more "so its best to just say that he was no good."
No one has said rjj was no good.
What most are saying is that pac's and Floyd had better resumes and a higher pound for pound rating
Again these are all opinions.
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gilgamesh wrote: 05 Oct 2020, 22:18 1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Sam Langford
3. Harry Greb
4. Ezzard Charles
5. Henry Armstrong
6. Willie Pep
7. Roberto Duran
8. Muhammad Ali
9. Archie Moore
10. Sugar Ray Leonard
11. Joe Louis
12. Benny Leonard
13. Gene Tunney
14. Mickey Walker
15. Barney Ross
16. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
17. Joe Gans
18. Charley Burley
19. Marvin Hagler
20. Sandy Saddler
21. Ike Williams
22. Manny Pacquiao
23. Thomas Hearns
24. Tony Canzoneri
25. Bob Fitzsimmons
This list is better. But i would add Carlos Monzon, Michael Spinks and sweet pea

Just not sure who to take out haha
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tiny_acres wrote: 06 Jan 2021, 11:06
H8Usernames wrote: 06 Jan 2021, 10:58 A quick RJJr vs Pacman 6 P4P 6 Rounder.

Amateurs
Not a fair comparisson. Pacman didnt have access to Sugar Ray Leonard or Floyd Mayweather sr etc like Roy and Floyd did.

10-10

Best wins.
Toney and Miguel Cotti
10-9 RJJR

2nd
BHOP and Marco Antonio Barrera
10-10

3Rd
Johnny Ruiz and Ricky Hatton
10-9 RJjr

4th
Antonio Tarver and Timothy Bradley
10-9 RJjr

5th
Big tossup for Pacman but lets place ODLH and Jorge Castro here.
10-9 RJjr

Your winner by ud Roy Jones jr 60-56. Pacman won 1 round more than FMJR vs RJjr but still lost by a shutout decision. Yeah... these guys Pacman and FMjr belong so so much higher on p4p lists than RJjr does.

You fellows are just mainstream fans really and sheeple. It isnt popular to admit RJJr's accomplishments any more "so its best to just say that he was no good."
No one has said rjj was no good.
What most are saying is that pac's and Floyd had better resumes and a higher pound for pound rating
Again these are all opinions.
There is no fathomable way to rate FMjr above RJjr. How are you gonna do that? Based on circusact Arturo Gatti or his great conqueror Angel Manfreddy? Or perhaps the "great" Ricky Hatton or retired ODLH?

Perhaps I should also try to argue Vivians Harris #1 all time p4p status if people are so keen to write nonsense here.
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H8Usernames wrote: 06 Jan 2021, 12:38
tiny_acres wrote: 06 Jan 2021, 11:06
H8Usernames wrote: 06 Jan 2021, 10:58 A quick RJJr vs Pacman 6 P4P 6 Rounder.

Amateurs
Not a fair comparisson. Pacman didnt have access to Sugar Ray Leonard or Floyd Mayweather sr etc like Roy and Floyd did.

10-10

Best wins.
Toney and Miguel Cotti
10-9 RJJR

2nd
BHOP and Marco Antonio Barrera
10-10

3Rd
Johnny Ruiz and Ricky Hatton
10-9 RJjr

4th
Antonio Tarver and Timothy Bradley
10-9 RJjr

5th
Big tossup for Pacman but lets place ODLH and Jorge Castro here.
10-9 RJjr

Your winner by ud Roy Jones jr 60-56. Pacman won 1 round more than FMJR vs RJjr but still lost by a shutout decision. Yeah... these guys Pacman and FMjr belong so so much higher on p4p lists than RJjr does.

You fellows are just mainstream fans really and sheeple. It isnt popular to admit RJJr's accomplishments any more "so its best to just say that he was no good."
No one has said rjj was no good.
What most are saying is that pac's and Floyd had better resumes and a higher pound for pound rating
Again these are all opinions.
There is no fathomable way to rate FMjr above RJjr. How are you gonna do that? Based on circusact Arturo Gatti or his great conqueror Angel Manfreddy? Or perhaps the "great" Ricky Hatton or retired ODLH?

Perhaps I should also try to argue Vivians Harris #1 all time p4p status if people are so keen to write nonsense here.
:lol:
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Perhaps this 6 round system isnt the best to evaluate P4P greatness but feel free to rate those six points yourselfs for these fighters or state some other way to compare them.
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H8Usernames wrote: 06 Jan 2021, 21:11 Perhaps this 6 round system isnt the best to evaluate P4P greatness but feel free to rate those six points yourselfs for these fighters or state some other way to compare them.
It's so hard. I depend on many things, and on any given day I can have my top 25 all time change. What I've seen is mostly what I rely on. Then resume; body of work; accomplishments; the era they fight in. What do they do that is special or seperates them from other fighters. Etc. To come up with a scoring system to evaluate in any definitive means is impossible.
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H8Usernames wrote: 06 Jan 2021, 10:58 A quick RJJr vs Pacman 6 P4P 6 Rounder.

Amateurs
Not a fair comparisson. Pacman didnt have access to Sugar Ray Leonard or Floyd Mayweather sr etc like Roy and Floyd did.

10-10

Best wins.
Toney and Miguel Cotti
10-9 RJJR

2nd
BHOP and Marco Antonio Barrera
10-10

3Rd
Johnny Ruiz and Ricky Hatton
10-9 RJjr

4th
Antonio Tarver and Timothy Bradley
10-9 RJjr

5th
Big tossup for Pacman but lets place ODLH and Jorge Castro here.
10-9 RJjr

Your winner by ud Roy Jones jr 60-56. Pacman won 1 round more than FMJR vs RJjr but still lost by a shutout decision. Yeah... these guys Pacman and FMjr belong so so much higher on p4p lists than RJjr does.

You fellows are just mainstream fans really and sheeple. It isnt popular to admit RJJr's accomplishments any more "so its best to just say that he was no good."
Why, for instance, was John Ruiz a better win than Ricky Hatton?
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squiggy wrote: 07 Jan 2021, 20:46
Why, for instance, was John Ruiz a better win than Ricky Hatton?
Two years prior to that fight Ricky had gotten koed by Mayweather and after that fight he only fought once getting koed by a relatively unknown. Prior to these losses and between them he didnt do anything that can be called spectacular. With the Ruiz win Jones became the first fighter to start his career as a light middleweight and win a heavyweight title, and the second reigning light heavyweight champion after Michael Spinks in 1985 to move up in weight and claim a major heavyweight championship in his first fight in the division. After the fight Ruiz got wins over respectable HW fighters.
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H8Usernames wrote: 06 Jan 2021, 12:38There is no fathomable way to rate FMjr above RJjr. How are you gonna do that? Based on circusact Arturo Gatti or his great conqueror Angel Manfreddy? Or perhaps the "great" Ricky Hatton or retired ODLH?

Perhaps I should also try to argue Vivians Harris #1 all time p4p status if people are so keen to write nonsense here.
OK, I'll just recycle an old post and let's see if you are able to perform a similar exercise for your steroid taking hero:

Let's evaluate Floyd Mayweather Jr's career, using the stats correct as of January 2020...

• Possesses an unblemished 50-0 professional record, with 27 KO’s
• Competed in 29 world title fights (if we include the lineal championship as well)
• Has gained world titles in five weight divisions (super featherweight, lightweight, light welterweight, welterweight & light middleweight)
• Has won twelve world title belts from the big four governing bodies
• Has consistently been ranked amongst the top ten pound-for-pound Ring Magazine rankings during his career
• Was the Ring Magazine’s fighter of the year in 1998 & 2007
• 24 of his victories have come against 22 former world champions
• Floyd achieved a 17-fight winning streak against former/current world champions when he defeated Andre Berto, a run which commenced a decade prior (against Arturo Gatti [25/06/2005])
• Floyd Mayweather Jr. has been a professional boxer for two decades
• Money May won his first world title fight 17 years prior to his final world championship bout, by defeating Genaro Hernandez (a Hall-of-Fame nominee, a man who had competed in 15 world title bouts, had only previously been defeated by Oscar De La Hoya [in a weight class that was not his natural habitat] and who also boasted a victory against an all-time-great [Azumah Nelson])
• Ring Magazine rates Floyd Mayweather Jr. in 12th position of its pound-for-pound “Best-of-Modern Times” list (based on the votes of 20 boxing experts to determine the Top 20 fighters since World War II)
• Based on the aggregated totals of all fights on his resume, the average Floyd Mayweather Jr. opponent lands a mere 16% of punches thrown, this is the lowest collective figure recorded in CompuBox's 4,000-fight database (as of May 2014)
• Mayweather had the best plus/minus rating of any fighter (as of September 2014), which is a measure of the variance between Floyd’s own connect rate and that of his opponents’ (in other words, a gauge of the “Hit and don't get hit” old adage)
• BoxRec considers Floyd Mayweather Jr. the greatest of all time

In terms of Floyd Mayweather Jr’s final sixteen opponents of his career:

• Six were top-ten ranked pound-for-pounders at the time he faced them (Manny Pacquiao [3rd]; Saul Alvarez [10th]; Shane Mosley [3rd]; Juan Manuel Marquez [2nd]; Ricky Hatton [8th] and Diego Corrales [5th])
• Five are dead-cert first ballot Hall-of-Famers (Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya, Shane Mosley; Miguel Cotto and Manny Pacquiao)
• Fifteen opponents were world champions during their careers
• Two are currently ranked in the top-ten pound-for-pound list and are also current world title holders (Canelo Alvarez [fighter of the year 2019] and Manny Pacquiao)
• Ten held world titles in multiple weight divisions (Zab Judah; Juan Manuel Marquez; Ricky Hatton; Oscar De La Hoya; Manny Pacquiao; Marcos Maidana; Saul Alvarez; Robert Guerrero; Miguel Cotto; and Shane Mosley)

At least twelve of the fighters Floyd Mayweather Jr. faced were fighters that became Hall-of-Fame inductees or at least good enough to be included in the nominees listed in the annual IBHoF voting ballot:

• Arturo Gatti
• Oscar De La Hoya
• Juan Manuel Márquez
• Canelo
• Manny Pacquiao
• Genaro Hernández
• Jose Luis Castillo
• Diego Corrales
• Ricky Hatton
• Shane Mosley
• Miguel Cotto
• Zab Judah

According to Ring Magazine, the following fighters were considered top-ten pound-for-pounders at the time of their fights against Floyd Mayweather Jr.:

World Titles:
• WBC Super Featherweight Title (1998-2002; 8 defenses)
• WBC Lightweight Title (2002-2004; 3 defenses)
• WBC Super Lightweight Title (2005; 0 defenses)
• IBF Welterweight Title (2006; 0 defenses)
• (2) WBC Welterweight Title (2006-2008; 1 defense, 2011-2015; 5 defenses)
• (2) WBC Super Welterweight Title (2007; 0 defenses, 2013-2015; 1 defense)
• WBA Super Welterweight Super Title (2012-2016; 1 defense)
• WBA Welterweight Super Title (2014-2016; 3 defenses)
• WBO Welterweight Title (2015; 0 defenses)

Unified Titles:
• Unified Junior Middleweight Title (2013-2015; WBA, WBC)
• (2) Unified Welterweight Title (2014-2015; WBC, WBA, 2015; WBC, WBA, WBO)
• Simultaneously held WBC Welterweight Title and WBC Junior Middleweight Title (2007)
• Simultaneously held WBC Welterweight Title and WBA Junior Middleweight Title (2012-2015)
• Simultaneously held WBC Welterweight Title and Unified Junior Middleweight Title (WBA, WBC) (2013-2015)
• Simultaneously held Unified Welterweight Title (WBC, WBA) and Unified Junior Middleweight Title (WBA, WBC) (2014-2015)
• Simultaneously held Unified Welterweight Title (WBC, WBA, WBO) and Unified Junior Middleweight Title (WBA, WBC) (2015)

The Ring Magazine Titles:

• World Lightweight Title (2002-2004)
• (2) World Welterweight Title (2006-2008, 2013-2015)
• World Junior Middleweight Title (2013-2015)

Lineal Titles:
• World Junior Lightweight Title (1998-2002)
• World Lightweight Title (2002-2004)
• (2) World Welterweight Title (2006-2008, 2010-2015)
• World Junior Middleweight Title (2013-2015)
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