How so? He was clearly more accomplished than Jacobs.
I wouldn't say he was. Though he does have the one win that's bigger than anything Jacobs has accomplished so far.
More than one.
Florentino Fernandez and George Benton are probably about on par with Jacobs' best wins. The Emile Griffith win particularly stands out as above anything he did.
I wouldn't say he was. Though he does have the one win that's bigger than anything Jacobs has accomplished so far.
More than one.
Florentino Fernandez and George Benton are probably about on par with Jacobs' best wins. The Emile Griffith win particularly stands out as above anything he did.
The other name guys Carter faced beat him.
I didn't even know he beat Benton. What are Jacobs best wins that measure up?
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑10 Jan 2021, 04:49
Jimmy Ellis, mims, McClure and Fernandez I was thinking of. On par with Sergio mora? Lol
Quillin, Derevyanchenko, and Maciej Sulecki are all solid contenders.
Chavez Jr. is a former titleholder, but obviously didn't have much to offer by the time he fought Jacobs.
What's funny? George Benton ain't a Hall of Famer. Neither is Florentino Fernandez. They were good contenders in their day, which is exactly what the guys Jacobs beat are. No better, no worse.
Quillin, Derevyanchenko, and Maciej Sulecki are all solid contenders.
Chavez Jr. is a former titleholder, but obviously didn't have much to offer by the time he fought Jacobs.
What's funny? George Benton ain't a Hall of Famer. Neither is Florentino Fernandez. They were good contenders in their day, which is exactly what the guys Jacobs beat are. No better, no worse.
You're funny, thinking you know what you're talking about.
What's funny? George Benton ain't a Hall of Famer. Neither is Florentino Fernandez. They were good contenders in their day, which is exactly what the guys Jacobs beat are. No better, no worse.
You're funny, thinking you know what you're talking about.
Did you follow the careers of Florentino Fernandez and George Benton in real time? If not you know just as much about 'em as I do.
I've seen some of their fights on YouTube, and I've read about their accomplishments. I'd say that puts us even on knowledge of their careers.
Carter sure gets a lot of mileage for his win over Emile Griffith.
My dad told me when I was a kid that Carter was an uncrowned champion etc etc,and I believed it until I found boxrec. Now I see a lot of what has been said about him is more falsehoods than truth.
Carter was a good boxer to be sure but not the monster-at least inside the ropes, outside that's another topic, if you know what I mean-he was made out to be. He was lucky that night with Griffith more than anything else. Vilomar Fernandez beat Alexis Arguello and Kirkland Laing beat Roberto Duran but nobody considers them all time greats. Carter beats Emile Griffith (though I must admit he did so more empathically than those other two did versus Arguello and Duran) and everyone sees him as this monster he really was not.
I agree with most here: GGG wins this one rather convincingly.
AntonioMartin wrote: ↑10 Jan 2021, 06:51
Carter sure gets a lot of mileage for his win over Emile Griffith.
My dad told me when I was a kid that Carter was an uncrowned champion etc etc,and I believed it until I found boxrec. Now I see a lot of what has been said about him is more falsehoods than truth.
Carter was a good boxer to be sure but not the monster-at least inside the ropes, outside that's another topic, if you know what I mean-he was made out to be. He was lucky that night with Griffith more than anything else. Vilomar Fernandez beat Alexis Arguello and Kirkland Laing beat Roberto Duran but nobody considers them all time greats. Carter beats Emile Griffith (though I must admit he did so more empathically than those other two did versus Arguello and Duran) and everyone sees him as this monster he really was not.
I agree with most here: GGG wins this one rather convincingly.
Carter had his shot at the middleweight title losing a unanimous decision to Joey Giardello on December 14 1964. I watched the fight years ago on you tube and thought Giardello rightfully deserved the decision 9-6 10-5 or so. Joey did not pulverize or annihilate Carter but he outboxed and was a superior ring general. The night that changed Rubins life was June 17 1966 in his hometown of Paterson the triple murders he was convicted of. He i believe had signed to fight Dick Tiger who had defeated him May 20 1965 in a 10 round decision. Yes this fight GGG wins easily and convincingly.
AntonioMartin wrote: ↑10 Jan 2021, 06:51
Carter sure gets a lot of mileage for his win over Emile Griffith.
My dad told me when I was a kid that Carter was an uncrowned champion etc etc,and I believed it until I found boxrec. Now I see a lot of what has been said about him is more falsehoods than truth.
Carter was a good boxer to be sure but not the monster-at least inside the ropes, outside that's another topic, if you know what I mean-he was made out to be. He was lucky that night with Griffith more than anything else. Vilomar Fernandez beat Alexis Arguello and Kirkland Laing beat Roberto Duran but nobody considers them all time greats. Carter beats Emile Griffith (though I must admit he did so more empathically than those other two did versus Arguello and Duran) and everyone sees him as this monster he really was not.
I agree with most here: GGG wins this one rather convincingly.
Carter had his shot at the middleweight title losing a unanimous decision to Joey Giardello on December 14 1964. I watched the fight years ago on you tube and thought Giardello rightfully deserved the decision 9-6 10-5 or so. Joey did not pulverize or annihilate Carter but he outboxed and was a superior ring general. The night that changed Rubins life was June 17 1966 in his hometown of Paterson the triple murders he was convicted of. He i believe had signed to fight Dick Tiger who had defeated him May 20 1965 in a 10 round decision. Yes this fight GGG wins easily and convincingly.
AntonioMartin wrote: ↑10 Jan 2021, 06:51
Carter sure gets a lot of mileage for his win over Emile Griffith.
My dad told me when I was a kid that Carter was an uncrowned champion etc etc,and I believed it until I found boxrec. Now I see a lot of what has been said about him is more falsehoods than truth.
Carter was a good boxer to be sure but not the monster-at least inside the ropes, outside that's another topic, if you know what I mean-he was made out to be. He was lucky that night with Griffith more than anything else. Vilomar Fernandez beat Alexis Arguello and Kirkland Laing beat Roberto Duran but nobody considers them all time greats. Carter beats Emile Griffith (though I must admit he did so more empathically than those other two did versus Arguello and Duran) and everyone sees him as this monster he really was not.
I agree with most here: GGG wins this one rather convincingly.
You know Antonio The Hurricane movie is so Hollywood people believe it without doing the research and finding out the truth and the facts. Joey Giardello even sued Norman Jewison and was successful. Take Hollywood for what it is entertainment
and do not believe everything you see in a glamorized motion picture which is cinema and contains fabrications and half truths.
AntonioMartin wrote: ↑10 Jan 2021, 06:51
Carter sure gets a lot of mileage for his win over Emile Griffith.
My dad told me when I was a kid that Carter was an uncrowned champion etc etc,and I believed it until I found boxrec. Now I see a lot of what has been said about him is more falsehoods than truth.
Carter was a good boxer to be sure but not the monster-at least inside the ropes, outside that's another topic, if you know what I mean-he was made out to be. He was lucky that night with Griffith more than anything else. Vilomar Fernandez beat Alexis Arguello and Kirkland Laing beat Roberto Duran but nobody considers them all time greats. Carter beats Emile Griffith (though I must admit he did so more empathically than those other two did versus Arguello and Duran) and everyone sees him as this monster he really was not.
I agree with most here: GGG wins this one rather convincingly.
You know Antonio The Hurricane movie is so Hollywood people believe it without doing the research and finding out the truth and the facts. Joey Giardello even sued Norman Jewison and was successful. Take Hollywood for what it is entertainment
and do not believe everything you see in a glamorized motion picture which is cinema and contains fabrications and half truths.
Your opinion is ridiculous. Just because he was not elite and not one of the greats, does not mean he should be compared to YOUTUBERS.
Hey buddy, don't sell ridiculous short. It has it's place in the matrix. However.....I don't think these two would make a genuinely competitive bout. Mostly because of the ridiculous difference in skill level. And.....my greater point, is that they are being hypothetically matched for Carter's iconic reputation. .... So.....I hope we can still be friends, despite my ridiculazations. And my rather bombastical assertions.
I think GGG beats the crap out of him, but comparing Carter to those YouTube guys is definitely stupendously outrageous.
Only for the sake of comparing the REASON he's getting these hypotheticals. The context is behavior as a reason for being considered here....NOT skill level. So yes outrageous was my point as well. It's outrageous that his behavior brought him enough attention in this thread to have him compared with the greats.
So....let's not miss the point.....even if I enjoy being bombastic.....I still had a very supportable point...... One that you find yourself in agreement with....regarding the outcome of such a hypothetical. I like the ol' outrage bit. It sells tickets.
