Biggest Cherry Pickers in Boxing atm?

[Onetimeonly]

his goal seems to be to continually get stripped of the title and win it back

He will be a 5x wbc smw champ soon

He'd trade all of them for one shot at plant.

[gilgamesh]

Canelo and Crawford.

The most risk aversive pair of conmen in the game.

Fury not far behind.


On the other hand Kell Brook seems to not know the meaning of fear.

He'd probably consider fighting Joshua if it was offered.

Crawford I'd agree with.

Canelo takes on the best competition of any fighter in the sport at the moment. The only person with a deeper resume in all of Boxing is Manny Pacquiao.

[Evander]

Why ?

[giacomino]

Check out this “champion’s” record over the last six years
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/427368
And of the fighter he is next “defending” against
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/536899

And then, is there is anyone who compares in boxing? This has to be the least authentic “title” reign in history

[Thomastearns]

Canelo and Crawford.

The most risk aversive pair of conmen in the game.

Fury not far behind.


On the other hand Kell Brook seems to not know the meaning of fear.

He'd probably consider fighting Joshua if it was offered.

Crawford I'd agree with.

Canelo takes on the best competition of any fighter in the sport at the moment. The only person with a deeper resume in all of Boxing is Manny Pacquiao.

The problem with Canelo is that even with ALL of the A side advantages (judges, promoters, date/venue etc) in his pocket going in he nevertheless insists upon fighting either old well past their prime or weak fighters.

Even now in 2021 he shows no interest in fighting GGG again. The last he did he got caught doping.

He's been feeding off second rate British fighters (Smith, Smith, Fielding and a blown up Amir Khan) for years. Somehow managing to avoid the most obvious ones - Chris Eubank Jr and Billy Joe Saunders all this time.

Hardly anyone in boxing is more careful in picking their next victim. Certainly no one of his supposed stature. His only defences are those which suit him, otherwise he vacates the belts faster than if he had discovered WADA written on the label.

If and when he does fights anyone of significance you can be sure it's going to the judges. Those already in his pocket. It always works, apart from that time when he fought another A sider, Floyd Mayweather.

His supposed wins over GGG, Jacobs, and a hopelessly prepared Chavez Jr were hardly convincing, were they?

Look around the MW, SMW and LHW divisions and then see if you can say he doesn't cherry pick. For sure most others this side the likes of AJ, Inoue, Dubois, Lomachenko, Gonzalez etc also cherry pick but they're not touted as the p4p no 1s as those frauds Crawford and Canelo often are.

All of you young fighters need to look at how these 2 made the most buck with the least bang. Almost textbook cases.

[Enlightened-One]

Check out this “champion’s” record over the last six years
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/427368
And of the fighter he is next “defending” against
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/536899

And then, is there is anyone who compares in boxing? This has to be the least authentic “title” reign in history

Beibut Shumenov isn't a world champion.

The holder of the WBA's only legitimate world title is Arsen Goulamirian.

To be fair, his record isn't that much better than Beibut Shumenov's.

However, the cruiserweight division has recently become particularly weak, which means it's much more challenging for the various titleholders to face legit top-tier world-rated opposition.

[Enlightened-One]

The problem with Canelo is that even with ALL of the A side advantages (judges, promoters, date/venue etc) in his pocket going in he nevertheless insists upon fighting either old well past their prime or weak fighters.

That' an excessively harsh opinion!

You obviously hold an extremely bitter deep-seated emotionally overwhelming hatred for the Mexican dead-cert first-ballot future Hall-of-Famer!

FFS!

[giacomino]

Check out this “champion’s” record over the last six years
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/427368
And of the fighter he is next “defending” against
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/536899

And then, is there is anyone who compares in boxing? This has to be the least authentic “title” reign in history

Beibut Shumenov isn't a world champion.

Of course he’s not. Neither are dozens of fighters who hold various levels of alphabet belts, particularly the WBA brand. The topic is cherry picking and I can’t think of another fighter who has been a bigger cherry picker over the last six years.

[Enlightened-One]

Check out this “champion’s” record over the last six years
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/427368
And of the fighter he is next “defending” against
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/536899

And then, is there is anyone who compares in boxing? This has to be the least authentic “title” reign in history

Beibut Shumenov isn't a world champion.

Of course he’s not. Neither are dozens of fighters who hold various levels of alphabet belts, particularly the WBA brand. The topic is cherry picking and I can’t think of another fighter who has been a bigger cherry picker over the last six years.

Fair enough. I can't really disagree with you.

But to be fair, the cruiserweight division is very weak at the moment, which means that some world champions may find it unavoidable to face underwhelming opposition occasionally.

Don't get me wrong; I'm not defending Beibut Shumenov's resume. Instead, I am merely pointing out an obvious consequence any world champion will suffer if they're competing in a particularly weak division.

It's more of a general observation, rather than commenting on Beibut Shumenov specifically.

[giacomino]

Beibut Shumenov isn't a world champion.

Of course he’s not. Neither are dozens of fighters who hold various levels of alphabet belts, particularly the WBA brand. The topic is cherry picking and I can’t think of another fighter who has been a bigger cherry picker over the last six years.

Fair enough. I can't really disagree with you.

But to be fair, the cruiserweight division is very weak at the moment, which means that some world champions may find it unavoidable to face underwhelming opposition occasionally.

Don't get me wrong; I'm not defending Beibut Shumenov's resume. Instead, I am merely pointing out an obvious consequence any world champion will suffer if they're competing in a particularly weak division.

It's more of a general observation, rather than commenting on Beibut Shumenov specifically.

Shumenov held one of these paper belts when there were some excellent fighters in the division too but he would never fight a legitimate opponent. Shumenov is a super rich dude and my guess is it’s an ego thing for him to call himself a “champion” and WBA goes along with it to collect the occasional sanctioning fee. It’s really surprising, I guess, that it isn’t more rampant than it is

[gilgamesh]

The problem with Canelo is that even with ALL of the A side advantages (judges, promoters, date/venue etc) in his pocket going in he nevertheless insists upon fighting either old well past their prime or weak fighters.

Even now in 2021 he shows no interest in fighting GGG again. The last he did he got caught doping.

He's been feeding off second rate British fighters (Smith, Smith, Fielding and a blown up Amir Khan) for years. Somehow managing to avoid the most obvious ones - Chris Eubank Jr and Billy Joe Saunders all this time.

Hardly anyone in boxing is more careful in picking their next victim. Certainly no one of his supposed stature. His only defences are those which suit him, otherwise he vacates the belts faster than if he had discovered WADA written on the label.

If and when he does fights anyone of significance you can be sure it's going to the judges. Those already in his pocket. It always works, apart from that time when he fought another A sider, Floyd Mayweather.

His supposed wins over GGG, Jacobs, and a hopelessly prepared Chavez Jr were hardly convincing, were they?

Look around the MW, SMW and LHW divisions and then see if you can say he doesn't cherry pick. For sure most others this side the likes of AJ, Inoue, Dubois, Lomachenko, Gonzalez etc also cherry pick but they're not touted as the p4p no 1s as those frauds Crawford and Canelo often are.

All of you young fighters need to look at how these 2 made the most buck with the least bang. Almost textbook cases.

He knocked out Sergey Kovalev, he beat Danny Jacobs, I think it's the fans who basically don't want to see a 3rd GGG fight because GGG has already beaten him twice, and it's been proven that unless he knocks him out he can't win so what's the point?

Callum Smith was arguably the best possible opponent he could've faced at 168.

Nobody in Boxing has faced better opponents than Canelo. Outside of Manny Pacquiao who is near retirement. It's not even debatable.

If you think I'm wrong tell me who has had a tougher schedule.

I'm usually pretty annoyed by the term "Cherry Picking" when it's used on guys like Canelo because what else do you want the guy to f*cking do? He's talking about potentially fighting Caleb Plant next who is another one of his most dangerous potential opponents.

Frankly if I were him I'd be retiring from the sport right about now. He owns a Yacht for f*cks sake

[Thomastearns]

"Nobody in Boxing has faced better opponents than Canelo. Outside of Manny Pacquiao who is near retirement. It's not even debatable."


Canelo's record does look decent on paper, I agree. But what happens when we start to look a little closer?

Details such as the age of his opponents and where and when they fought matter.

They really do. It's all in the nuances.

Truly great champions like Ali and Hagler took on all comers in their peak. Hagler fought Duran, Leonard, Hearns, Roldan, Mugabe etc.
All in their peak.

Fighting older and weaker fighters with one hand already contractually tied behind their backs doesn't really cut it, does it?

Neither does failing 2 drug tests and a huge cloud of suspicion permanently hanging over the rest of his career either.

The only meaningful 'fair' fight Canelo fought, he lost. The rest went to the judges. We all know by now what that means.

Canelo's record looks impressive on paper, but when you begin to look a little closer, just what are his achievements?

2 losses against GGG flipped by dubious judging, the narrowest victory over Jacobs. Anything else of significance?

No, that win over a washed up Kovalev was not in the least bit impressive.

Inoue and Lomachenko especially have done more with less 'help'. From the outside.

Loma in particular has been fighting real champions for years and years.

Let's see Canelo fight the likes of Benavidez, BJS, Plant etc before we join in all the hoopla shall we?

We're talking about boxings number 1 cherry picker, the mighty Saul Alvarez.

Every opponent is meticulously studied for potential risk. Then carefully selected and only then faced behind a shield of every conceivable advantage. Every single one.

His 'fights', if you want to call them that, are in reality little more than business transactions.
Have been that way for years.

[pound per pound]

Gervonta Davis
Demetrius Andrade
Jermall Charlo

^

Well Fury says he's 6'9" tall so...

[Finkel]

"Nobody in Boxing has faced better opponents than Canelo. Outside of Manny Pacquiao who is near retirement. It's not even debatable."


Canelo's record does look decent on paper, I agree. But what happens when we start to look a little closer?

Details such as the age of his opponents and where and when they fought matter.

They really do. It's all in the nuances.

Truly great champions like Ali and Hagler took on all comers in their peak. Hagler fought Duran, Leonard, Hearns, Roldan, Mugabe etc.
All in their peak.

Fighting older and weaker fighters with one hand already contractually tied behind their backs doesn't really cut it, does it?

Neither does failing 2 drug tests and a huge cloud of suspicion permanently hanging over the rest of his career either.

The only meaningful 'fair' fight Canelo fought, he lost. The rest went to the judges. We all know by now what that means.

Canelo's record looks impressive on paper, but when you begin to look a little closer, just what are his achievements?

2 losses against GGG flipped by dubious judging, the narrowest victory over Jacobs. Anything else of significance?

No, that win over a washed up Kovalev was not in the least bit impressive.

Inoue and Lomachenko especially have done more with less 'help'. From the outside.

Loma in particular has been fighting real champions for years and years.

Let's see Canelo fight the likes of Benavidez, BJS, Plant etc before we join in all the hoopla shall we?

We're talking about boxings number 1 cherry picker, the mighty Saul Alvarez.

Every opponent is meticulously studied for potential risk. Then carefully selected and only then faced behind a shield of every conceivable advantage. Every single one.

His 'fights', if you want to call them that, are in reality little more than business transactions.
Have been that way for years.

[keirw]

I’m a fan .. but IBF super middleweight champion Caleb Plant is doing some serious cherry picking. His next opponent is 37 year old Caleb Truex. His last opponent Feigenbutz is relatively unknown. Before that he easily defeated Subway sandwiches spokesman Mike Lee.

This is not cool when you have a guy like David Benavidez waiting patiently for a title shot

Yeah, I like Caleb too. Good fighter and seems a decent bloke too.

Looked good in winning his title, but hasn't exactly set the world alight since then (to put it mildly).

I have a feeling his career will go the same way as Kal Yafai's.

[Thomastearns]

I’m a fan .. but IBF super middleweight champion Caleb Plant is doing some serious cherry picking. His next opponent is 37 year old Caleb Truex. His last opponent Feigenbutz is relatively unknown. Before that he easily defeated Subway sandwiches spokesman Mike Lee.

This is not cool when you have a guy like David Benavidez waiting patiently for a title shot

I think I'm going to watch out for Benavidez. Not sure how such an explosive fighter like that could have flown under the boxrec radar.

After watching some highlights it's fairly obvious why the likes of Canelo and Plant want nothing to do with him.

[giacomino]

Truly great champions like Ali and Hagler took on all comers in their peak. Hagler fought Duran, Leonard, Hearns, Roldan, Mugabe etc.
All in their peak.

I don’t disagree with your larger point but your idea of “all at their peak” is interesting, and Hagler is one of my favorite fighters.

Duran was “at his peak” at 135, probably around the time of his third DeJesus fight.. Or maybe in 1980 during the first Leonard fight. He got the Hagler fight at age 32 because it was a huge money-maker and he’d just beaten Davey Moore at 154, but the previous year he’d looked shot, losing to Benitez and Kirkland Laing. Leonard hadn’t fought in three years when he fought Hagler. His prime was 1979-1981 when he beat Benitez, Duran, Kalue and Hearns. In both fights Hagler was a huge favorite

[Thomastearns]

Truly great champions like Ali and Hagler took on all comers in their peak. Hagler fought Duran, Leonard, Hearns, Roldan, Mugabe etc.
All in their peak.

I don’t disagree with your larger point but your idea of “all at their peak” is interesting, and Hagler is one of my favorite fighters.

Duran was “at his peak” at 135, probably around the time of his third DeJesus fight.. Or maybe in 1980 during the first Leonard fight. He got the Hagler fight at age 32 because it was a huge money-maker and he’d just beaten Davey Moore at 154, but the previous year he’d looked shot, losing to Benitez and Kirkland Laing. Leonard hadn’t fought in three years when he fought Hagler. His prime was 1979-1981 when he beat Benitez, Duran, Kalue and Hearns. In both fights Hagler was a huge favorite

Fair point. Duran was such a phenomenon that it was difficult to tell just when his peak was. I don't think even he knew.

When he fought Hagler there many who were surprised at how well he did. Me included.

I can't recall seeing another boxer that could look as comfortable as Roberto Duran in a boxing ring. It was like he was born to it.

[giacomino]

Truly great champions like Ali and Hagler took on all comers in their peak. Hagler fought Duran, Leonard, Hearns, Roldan, Mugabe etc.
All in their peak.

I don’t disagree with your larger point but your idea of “all at their peak” is interesting, and Hagler is one of my favorite fighters.

Duran was “at his peak” at 135, probably around the time of his third DeJesus fight.. Or maybe in 1980 during the first Leonard fight. He got the Hagler fight at age 32 because it was a huge money-maker and he’d just beaten Davey Moore at 154, but the previous year he’d looked shot, losing to Benitez and Kirkland Laing. Leonard hadn’t fought in three years when he fought Hagler. His prime was 1979-1981 when he beat Benitez, Duran, Kalue and Hearns. In both fights Hagler was a huge favorite

Fair point. Duran was such a phenomenon that it was difficult to tell just when his peak was. I don't think even he knew.

When he fought Hagler there many who were surprised at how well he did. Me included.

I can't recall seeing another boxer that could look as comfortable as Roberto Duran in a boxing ring. It was like he was born to it.

Agree. And he really seemed to enjoy himself.

[KiwiRider]

I don’t disagree with your larger point but your idea of “all at their peak” is interesting, and Hagler is one of my favorite fighters.

Duran was “at his peak” at 135, probably around the time of his third DeJesus fight.. Or maybe in 1980 during the first Leonard fight. He got the Hagler fight at age 32 because it was a huge money-maker and he’d just beaten Davey Moore at 154, but the previous year he’d looked shot, losing to Benitez and Kirkland Laing. Leonard hadn’t fought in three years when he fought Hagler. His prime was 1979-1981 when he beat Benitez, Duran, Kalue and Hearns. In both fights Hagler was a huge favorite

Fair point. Duran was such a phenomenon that it was difficult to tell just when his peak was. I don't think even he knew.

When he fought Hagler there many who were surprised at how well he did. Me included.

I can't recall seeing another boxer that could look as comfortable as Roberto Duran in a boxing ring. It was like he was born to it.

Agree. And he really seemed to enjoy himself.

Having an iron chin does a world of good for the confidence

[NateJR]

I’m a fan .. but IBF super middleweight champion Caleb Plant is doing some serious cherry picking. His next opponent is 37 year old Caleb Truex. His last opponent Feigenbutz is relatively unknown. Before that he easily defeated Subway sandwiches spokesman Mike Lee.

This is not cool when you have a guy like David Benavidez waiting patiently for a title shot

I think I'm going to watch out for Benavidez. Not sure how such an explosive fighter like that could have flown under the boxrec radar.

After watching some highlights it's fairly obvious why the likes of Canelo and Plant want nothing to do with him.

Canelo would probably stop Benavitez, looks to be a bit tailor made for Canelo IMO. He has a good engine, but the way he lets go with combinations firing off from the hip would spell disaster against a masterful counter puncher like Canelo.

[skanksta]

Check out this “champion’s” record over the last six years
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/427368
And of the fighter he is next “defending” against
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/536899

And then, is there is anyone who compares in boxing? This has to be the least authentic “title” reign in history

Shocking
Can anyone think dig out anything worse ?