BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"

[Floyd the snake]

Will Daniel be sat ringside for Saunders / Canelo answer no will he be sat ringside for Fury / Joshua answer no , all a bit strange for a successful business man who loves boxing in 2 huge fights with his best mates .

[mickey1975]

Will Daniel be sat ringside for Saunders / Canelo answer no will he be sat ringside for Fury / Joshua answer no , all a bit strange for a successful business man who loves boxing in 2 huge fights with his best mates .

He’ll get nicked going to either.

[ThereByTheGrace]

Very interested to see what happens next.

Can the investment into the mtk companies be proven as ill gotten? I think the americans are very very strict with money laundering when they want to be.

Is there a structure chart with shareholding and ownership of mtk? I suppose even if there is there may be shadow directors.

[Counter-puncher]

What is the actual company name they are trading under in the UK?

Macklin is not a Director of any promotional outfit i can see, just a couple of property companies and a motor company

[Coco]

What is the actual company name they are trading under in the UK?

Macklin is not a Director of any promotional outfit i can see, just a couple of property companies and a motor company

I thought Macklin had been bought out by Sandra Vaughn?

[mickey1975]

What is the actual company name they are trading under in the UK?

Macklin is not a Director of any promotional outfit i can see, just a couple of property companies and a motor company

I thought Macklin had been bought out by Sandra Vaughn?

Sandra got raided years ago for gear!

[jamesmcdonnell]

Very interested to see what happens next.

Can the investment into the mtk companies be proven as ill gotten? I think the americans are very very strict with money laundering when they want to be.

Is there a structure chart with shareholding and ownership of mtk? I suppose even if there is there may be shadow directors.

Sounds like FBI are already involved, they dont mess around.

Only thing is, boxing promoters have few assets to seize, and can still work via proxy if theyre not in jail, or even if they are.

[jamesmcdonnell]

The BBBoC can’t even stop their own judges handing in dodgy scorecards, they’re hardly likely to take down organised crime.

[brilo33]

whats the end game with this though, i mean is boxing going to go after,ever dirty dollar pound note going to be retraced back to only good gotten gain , or is it the shades have a real hard on for mgm and it is personal , everyone keeps quiet and hopes the s... dont hit there fan, so is boxing now just going to be a sport run by only elitist bussiness now , who did there dirty bidding further back before internet,maybe it is a great time for all boxers to be allowed to cut ties with promoters and it be comes a sport run by the government, how much money has the goverment been putting in to boxing clubs during the last year .

[Jimmy2020]

I just think it will be a shame if (the brilliant) Fury beats Joshua and then is prancing around the ring liveried up in a smack dealers' threads. Tyson isn't a bad man, he's a potential great heavyweight but smack dealers are scum. The link does him no good and isn't required.

[brilo33]

I just think it will be a shame if (the brilliant) Fury beats Joshua and then is prancing around the ring liveried up in a smack dealers' threads. Tyson isn't a bad man, he's a potential great heavyweight but smack dealers are scum. The link does him no good and isn't required.

what will aj being doing then with his money , please fill us in wearthat money he will be coming from ,history , but i wouldnt put up names of that faimly as there bigger than that family ,see this is the joke of it

[Stevieaber]

So are you suggesting that Joshua is being bankrolled by someone with a worse rep than the Kinahans.? I’d be interested to know who that would be.

[Jimmy2020]

I just think it will be a shame if (the brilliant) Fury beats Joshua and then is prancing around the ring liveried up in a smack dealers' threads. Tyson isn't a bad man, he's a potential great heavyweight but smack dealers are scum. The link does him no good and isn't required.

what will aj being doing then with his money , please fill us in wearthat money he will be coming from ,history , but i wouldnt put up names of that faimly as there bigger than that family ,see this is the joke of it

I don't know quite what you are getting at but if the you mean because the fight may be in Saudi Arabia and the venue fee will come from the Saudi Royal Family, I take your point...

I am talking about wearing the MTK t-shirts, hats, etc when the link, true or not, has been presented the way it has. Not good for young people to see.

[brilo33]

I just think it will be a shame if (the brilliant) Fury beats Joshua and then is prancing around the ring liveried up in a smack dealers' threads. Tyson isn't a bad man, he's a potential great heavyweight but smack dealers are scum. The link does him no good and isn't required.

what will aj being doing then with his money , please fill us in wearthat money he will be coming from ,history , but i wouldnt put up names of that faimly as there bigger than that family ,see this is the joke of it

I don't know quite what you are getting at but if the you mean because the fight may be in Saudi Arabia and the venue fee will come from the Saudi Royal Family, I take your point...

Hearn is to a large extent the problem. His greed is appalling.

i wasnt talking about sauid family , though why not add them in to it, i just mean where is the end game to the links of the underworld and boxing , i personaly get more up set by corrupted judges or bad reffing , home fighter is a guarantee win , which must be easier to stop and fix ,then were are the owners getting there money from, i just dont like the hypocrisy, any rich rich person hasnt made there money clean , i think this talk news media couldnt give a nothing for boxing just a media story for them because boxing is big at the moment , there is no plan or anything there to clean up boxing

[Stevieaber]

If you weren’t talking about the Saudi royal family who were you talking about?

[brilo33]

So are you suggesting that Joshua is being bankrolled by someone with a worse rep than the Kinahans.? I’d be interested to know who that would be.

not suggesting anything , but who banked rolled the people behind the people

[Stevieaber]

Come on son, spit it out

[Black Sam Bellamy]

It would appear that FW is already trying to distance himself from MTK in the longer term. Of all of the lockdown signings, it doesnt look like any are being managed by MTK. Looks like Francis and Kevin Maree are doing the management. A sign of things to come maybe.

[Counter-puncher]

Come on son, spit it out

*taps nose*

[Steveh583]

i am absolutely stunned no one has started banging on about judas pig yet

[brilo33]

But what was the point of the documentary is it just rival promoters taking out another , because what happens when a big firm gets put away, probably 5 years of street violence for control then some group will gain power or hold a truths with another firm for awhile till some one does something outta of turn then ,same thing again, no different to heads of state sadam or gaddafi , what are they going to do for boxing is the point , were all boxing fans but the people doing the documentray couldnt give a t..ss for it

[margaret thatcher]

LEAVE MURDERING DRUG KINGPINS ALONE!!

[GreenLightning]

whats the end game with this though, i mean is boxing going to go after,ever dirty dollar pound note going to be retraced back to only good gotten gain , or is it the shades have a real hard on for mgm and it is personal , everyone keeps quiet and hopes the s... dont hit there fan, so is boxing now just going to be a sport run by only elitist bussiness now , who did there dirty bidding further back before internet,maybe it is a great time for all boxers to be allowed to cut ties with promoters and it be comes a sport run by the government, how much money has the goverment been putting in to boxing clubs during the last year .

The game is to end the legitimisation of one of the worst drug dealing criminal murderers in Europe, If Kinahan didn't want this kind of attention, he shouldn't have been sending dozens of hitmen out on the streets of several different countries in Europe to conduct a massacre, the level of violence perpetrated by these guys and the fact they load neighbourhoods with Heroin just cannot be swept under the rug

Saudi Money shouldn't be taken either, but Kinahans control of boxing is something that cannot be allowed to grow

I would rather Irish boxing died than be "saved" by Kinahan blood money

Think about how much publicity the Range Rover murders got in England, 3 guys killed, the Krays killed something like 2 people? The Kinahans have killed dozens of people in these fashions

[brilo33]

whats the end game with this though, i mean is boxing going to go after,ever dirty dollar pound note going to be retraced back to only good gotten gain , or is it the shades have a real hard on for mgm and it is personal , everyone keeps quiet and hopes the s... dont hit there fan, so is boxing now just going to be a sport run by only elitist bussiness now , who did there dirty bidding further back before internet,maybe it is a great time for all boxers to be allowed to cut ties with promoters and it be comes a sport run by the government, how much money has the goverment been putting in to boxing clubs during the last year .

The game is to end the legitimisation of one of the worst drug dealing criminal murderers in Europe, If Kinahan didn't want this kind of attention, he shouldn't have been sending dozens of hitmen out on the streets of several different countries in Europe to conduct a massacre, the level of violence perpetrated by these guys and the fact they load neighbourhoods with Heroin just cannot be swept under the rug

Saudi Money shouldn't be taken either, but Kinahans control of boxing is something that cannot be allowed to grow

I would rather Irish boxing died than be "saved" by Kinahan blood money

Think about how much publicity the Range Rover murders got in England, 3 guys killed, the Krays killed something like 2 people? The Kinahans have killed dozens of people in these fashions

not being funny but how could any boxing club in the east end avoid the krays, how could any business in london from the 60s ,on wards avoid being taxed or being rolled by gangsters in london , unless you where old bill, or bigger gangsters you were paying some one, no doubt about it, so is it just a time thing then, and i will say this now i aint talking up the criminality its just it tentacles are so deep rooted , only way to stop it is go amuture take money out the game

[brilo33]

whats the end game with this though, i mean is boxing going to go after,ever dirty dollar pound note going to be retraced back to only good gotten gain , or is it the shades have a real hard on for mgm and it is personal , everyone keeps quiet and hopes the s... dont hit there fan, so is boxing now just going to be a sport run by only elitist bussiness now , who did there dirty bidding further back before internet,maybe it is a great time for all boxers to be allowed to cut ties with promoters and it be comes a sport run by the government, how much money has the goverment been putting in to boxing clubs during the last year .

The game is to end the legitimisation of one of the worst drug dealing criminal murderers in Europe, If Kinahan didn't want this kind of attention, he shouldn't have been sending dozens of hitmen out on the streets of several different countries in Europe to conduct a massacre, the level of violence perpetrated by these guys and the fact they load neighbourhoods with Heroin just cannot be swept under the rug

Saudi Money shouldn't be taken either, but Kinahans control of boxing is something that cannot be allowed to grow

I would rather Irish boxing died than be "saved" by Kinahan blood money

Think about how much publicity the Range Rover murders got in England, 3 guys killed, the Krays killed something like 2 people? The Kinahans have killed dozens of people in these fashions

one of them walked nigel benn in to a fight