BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"

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johnty1888 wrote: 07 Feb 2021, 13:55 LOVE/HATE takes some beating as well.

Small time Dublin gangsters go big
King nidge :TU: ,Fran was a good character in that as Well

And yeah when that ominous music hits Leprechaun you know what's on in Gomorrah haha
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Stevieaber wrote: 07 Feb 2021, 08:52 I don’t really think that Woke applies to this. The programme wasn’t about people being outraged about social media comments, it was about murder, gun running and industrial level class A supply.
If you think it’s about people being upset over name calling, or struggling to appear “right on” you’ve missed the whole point.
You've missed the point I was being sarcastic
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Is Simon Jordan on at that time ? Could be interesting.
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Fair play. Point taken.
Unfortunately I’ve been reading so much nonsense from people who actually seem to be supporting that.
Duly retracted :salut:
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I’m not working tomorrow, so have got a few beers and some popcorn waiting.
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Black Sam Bellamy wrote: 07 Feb 2021, 14:05 Is Simon Jordan on at that time ? Could be interesting.
Simon has a place in Marbs, and has met Daniel numerous times. He won’t say shite.
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Stevieaber wrote: 07 Feb 2021, 12:19 Get ready for a bland statement about how he’s not connected to MTK any more.
Well you are in for a shock then. He’s gonna say he’s in the thick of it.
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SAPFO wrote: 08 Feb 2021, 07:06
Stevieaber wrote: 07 Feb 2021, 12:19 Get ready for a bland statement about how he’s not connected to MTK any more.
Well you are in for a shock then. He’s gonna say he’s in the thick of it.
Has the statement been released yet?
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maverick23 wrote: 08 Feb 2021, 07:35
SAPFO wrote: 08 Feb 2021, 07:06
Stevieaber wrote: 07 Feb 2021, 12:19 Get ready for a bland statement about how he’s not connected to MTK any more.
Well you are in for a shock then. He’s gonna say he’s in the thick of it.
Has the statement been released yet?
Yeah it’s here:

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/8310 ... ny-joshua/
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Daniel Kinahan, the subject of a Panorama investigation into his influence on boxing, has given an exclusive statement to talkSPORT.

Here’s the statement from Daniel Kinahan in full:

“I have tried my best to ignore the allegations that are constantly made about me. I have dedicated myself to my work in boxing for over 15 years.

“I have started from the bottom and worked my way up. I am proud to say today that I have helped organise over a dozen major world title fights. I continue to be involved in planning multiple record-breaking and exciting world title fights: I’m doing all I can to give fight fans around the world the fights they want. My professional commitment is always to the boxers, those who take the ultimate risk.

“I’m Irish. I was born and raised in Dublin. In a deprived area with serious levels of poverty, of crime, of under investment. People like me, from there, aren’t expected to do anything with their lives other than serve the middle and upper classes. Boxing is a working class sport for which I’ve had a lifelong love and passion.

“I love the sport of boxing but didn’t love how business was done. Many boxers have similar backgrounds to me. I got into boxing to make sure that boxers get fairly rewarded and not taken advantage of. The boxers put their lives on the line. It’s my mission to ensure that the boxers are financially secure when they finish boxing, and healthy too. Let’s not forget – the money in boxing is put there one way or another by the fans, sponsors and TV companies – not by me or anyone else – and they put it there to watch the fighters. The fighters deserve their fair share.

“I firmly believe that my success has led to an increase in the campaign against me. Pretty much anything can be said about me, or inferred about me, and it goes unchallenged and is sadly believed. Last week it was inferred that I had threatened a reporter. Let me be clear on this point before I address the other allegations against me. I have full respect for journalism. I have worked with journalists and I value their role. Journalists should always be free to do their job, free from any threat or harassment. I have never threatened a reporter or journalist or asked anyone to do that for me. I never have and I never would.

“My concern is that I have not been on the receiving end of fair and credible journalism, especially in the UK and Ireland. The recent BBC Panorama programme is a good example. This was a rehash of unsubstantiated allegations that have been made previously on many occasions. It was unashamedly sensationalist and devoid of evidence or critical analysis. They refused to publish the statement I made in advance of the programme or even question the fundamental claim that “an Irish court accepted…” That Irish Court is the SCC, a court with no jury, and which accepts the word of police officers without question. It is criticised by both the UN and Amnesty International. This latest report follows a long pattern of throwing innuendo and baseless accusations at me hoping that some may stick.

“I can’t be any clearer on the fundamental slur – I am not a part of a criminal gang or any conspiracy. I have no convictions. None. Not just in Ireland but anywhere in the world.

“Media outlets link my name with criminality unconnected to me. I am not involved in any proceedings therefore I am unable to challenge this in court. The media know this yet they refuse to acknowledge it. There is no evidence or proof against me. I have said repeatedly: I have no criminal record anywhere in the world. Sections of the media ask that I disprove a negative. This is impossible but it shows what I’m up against.

“People need to ask themselves – If he has done the things he has been accused of why has he not been arrested and charged? Why does a police organisation anywhere in the world not have this information and evidence some sections of the media would have you believe actually exists. Why is there only a trial by media and not a criminal trial? There is a simple answer to this. That answer is because there is no evidence. It’s because it is not true.

“I’m blessed with an amazing family. I’m blessed to work in boxing at the highest level having organised some of the biggest fights in boxing previously and in the future. I will continue working every day to bring out the best in, and look after, the boxers I am lucky enough to work with.

“I have chosen to dedicate my life to my family and my work. I do so every day in good and honest faith. I will continue to always choose love and choose God in my future as I do in my present.”
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Hi, Daniel.

yeah, and Lance Armstrong passed thousands of drug tests, too.

:wave:
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Counter-puncher wrote: 08 Feb 2021, 08:19 Hi, Daniel.

yeah, and Lance Armstrong passed thousands of drug tests, too.

:wave:
Indeed. The simple-minded obsequious nature of boxers and boxing-people will largely soak that statement up as fact, however. The MTK saga is a perfect metaphor for the times we live in.
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A real life rags to riches story there from Daniel the son of an international druglord :bag:
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watsupdoc87 wrote: 08 Feb 2021, 08:35 A real life rags to riches story there from Daniel the son of an international druglord :bag:
:lol: :TU:
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This Irish Times story from yesterday suggests there could be problems ahead if the Saudi authorities start working more with the Irish police;
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/edit ... 9?mode=amp
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polecateddy wrote: 08 Feb 2021, 08:40 This Irish Times story from yesterday suggests there could be problems ahead if the Saudi authorities start working more with the Irish police;
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/edit ... 9?mode=amp
No mention of Saudi Arabia, mate? Do you mean the UAE authorities? or have I missed something?
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A good man wrongly accused. I’m really beginning to warm to him.
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So Daniel says the money is put there by fans, sponsors & TV companies, how does that work with MTK? They’ve never shifted many tickets, do they even have any sponsors? And they don’t have a TV deal.
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The money must have come from that few million he found down the back of the sofa.
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........Which he saved from his paper Round money
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Why would he give an 'exclusive' statement to TalkSport? If he's got anything to say surely he needs to speak to the relevant authorities that are accusing him of being the boss of an international crime family.
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Monzon83 wrote: 08 Feb 2021, 10:38 Why would he give an 'exclusive' statement to TalkSport? If he's got anything to say surely he needs to speak to the relevant authorities that are accusing him of being the boss of an international crime family.
he could have a very long conversation about it, if only he had the nerve to return to his country of birth from the middle eastern bolthole in which he currently resides, a bolthole which entirely coincidentally has no extradition treaty with Ireland.
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a force wrote: 08 Feb 2021, 09:03 So Daniel says the money is put there by fans, sponsors & TV companies, how does that work with MTK? They’ve never shifted many tickets, do they even have any sponsors? And they don’t have a TV deal.
Be interested if they were forced to reveal their accounts, income from sponsors, TV, crowds against outgoing expenses
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I thought he wasn't involved in boxing other than an advisor to boxers?

His statement says he's actively involved in organizing and planning world title fights. That seems to contradict what has been publicly stated by broadcasters and promoters.
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This quote from his statement pretty much puts to bed the idea he was out of the sport.

"I will continue working every day to bring out the best in, and look after, the boxers I am lucky enough to work with"

That doesn't sound like he is "stepping away from boxing".

Random thoughts on this.

I bet Fury wishes he never posted that video clip thanking Kinahan last year.
I bet Kinahan wishes he hadn't done it either.
Is there potentially up to £15m going the way of the "advisor" as 15% of a £100m purse ?
Could the board look at a "due diligence" test in future or when the dust settles does nobody really give a monkies ?
Depending on where Fury vs Joshua ends up, will Kinahan be able to watch it with binoculars from his apartment ?
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