BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"

[GreenLightning]

This is a professional INLA hitman, send out to murder a man by the Kinahans (apologies for DM)

[GreenLightning]

I posted some of Liam Byrnes exploits earlier on, beating a man half into a coma with a baseball bat (for sweet fa), and hiring an INLA gunman to kill the mans girlfriend for testifying, shot up her house and had her assaulted in court itself. His charming brother David was shot at the Regency Hotel instead of Daniel


Just the people out sport needs, gentlemen!! good lads!! great bunch of lads in fact!!

[brilo33]

look the thing is people are grown up around crime from birth and have different morals you cant help it , honestly the film another bronx tale explains it well, nil by mouth another good one ,If you live among wolves you have to act like a wolf. prison is where normal good people go ,weirdos go to university ,this is the mentality,even a propper job is kinda frowned appon unless there is benifts what can you take , ,so there is a flip side to the coin ,and some opinions sound so farfetch it sounds absolute nuts ,

Christy Kinahan was middle class and made his empire selling poison, so stop it with the Daniel Kinahan made from the streets shite

yes, the drug crime laws are ripe for exploitation, and wrong

A kid who gets in with the local guy with a fancy car an jewelry by doing a few very well paid "errands" for him cannot be blamed, but the people who actively exploit these disgusting trades can't be handwaved away as unfortunate products of their enviroments, their VICTIMS are usually those unfortunate products because they are the ones exploited, robbed, beaten, and abused

i know but the thing is you always get done when you go against the law everyone does ,but thats up to the courts so what im getting at is. is it a moral issue at the moment, bescause if it is, who are the moral police on it , iam older now i dont think like i did as child which i was a far more hardcore and honestly it werent abut flashy nothing it is about respect or being known by someone big because these people are the celebritys , if someone said there is tom crusie when i was kid i would off said the geezer is p.... but there is a local or maybe a world wide bussiness man you would be in ore , look everyone has the same morals when comes to predators , but everything else can be very subjective
i mean look at prrimark nikee all these gafs all have expolited kids allegedly, slave labour no one cares really you just dont think about it you cant or it would eat you up

[Glass Joe]

Youre not going to slag off the person who started MTK and probably still involved, they pay spencer wages.

[Gnome]

look the thing is people are grown up around crime from birth and have different morals you cant help it , honestly the film another bronx tale explains it well, nil by mouth another good one ,If you live among wolves you have to act like a wolf. prison is where normal good people go ,weirdos go to university ,this is the mentality,even a propper job is kinda frowned appon unless there is benifts what can you take , ,so there is a flip side to the coin ,and some opinions sound so farfetch it sounds absolute nuts ,

Christy Kinahan was middle class and made his empire selling poison, so stop it with the Daniel Kinahan made from the streets shite

yes, the drug crime laws are ripe for exploitation, and wrong

A kid who gets in with the local guy with a fancy car an jewelry by doing a few very well paid "errands" for him cannot be blamed, but the people who actively exploit these disgusting trades can't be handwaved away as unfortunate products of their enviroments, their VICTIMS are usually those unfortunate products because they are the ones exploited, robbed, beaten, and abused

i know but the thing is you always get done when you go against the law everyone does ,but thats up to the courts so what im getting at is. is it a moral issue at the moment, bescause if it is, who are the moral police on it , iam older now i dont think like i did as child which i was a far more hardcore and honestly it werent abut flashy nothing it is about respect or being known by someone big because these people are the celebritys , if someone said there is tom crusie when i was kid i would off said the geezer is p.... but there is a local or maybe a world wide bussiness man you would be in ore , look everyone has the same morals when comes to predators , but everything else can be very subjective
i mean look at prrimark nikee all these gafs all have expolited kids allegedly, slave labour no one cares really you just dont think about it you cant or it would eat you up

No idea what you're trying to say here, but there's no ambiguity about selling smack and having 17 people killed.

[brilo33]

Christy Kinahan was middle class and made his empire selling poison, so stop it with the Daniel Kinahan made from the streets shite

yes, the drug crime laws are ripe for exploitation, and wrong

A kid who gets in with the local guy with a fancy car an jewelry by doing a few very well paid "errands" for him cannot be blamed, but the people who actively exploit these disgusting trades can't be handwaved away as unfortunate products of their enviroments, their VICTIMS are usually those unfortunate products because they are the ones exploited, robbed, beaten, and abused

i know but the thing is you always get done when you go against the law everyone does ,but thats up to the courts so what im getting at is. is it a moral issue at the moment, bescause if it is, who are the moral police on it , iam older now i dont think like i did as child which i was a far more hardcore and honestly it werent abut flashy nothing it is about respect or being known by someone big because these people are the celebritys , if someone said there is tom crusie when i was kid i would off said the geezer is p.... but there is a local or maybe a world wide bussiness man you would be in ore , look everyone has the same morals when comes to predators , but everything else can be very subjective
i mean look at prrimark nikee all these gafs all have expolited kids allegedly, slave labour no one cares really you just dont think about it you cant or it would eat you up

No idea what you're trying to say here, but there's no ambiguity about selling smack and having 17 people killed.

if thats the case there gonna get done sooner more than later is my point ,

[brilo33]

what i dont like is journalist are putting on straight people like its our thought for watching boxing ,and were compatible for the crime and drug trade around the world , when it aint thats for the law dont put it on us ,

[GreenLightning]

look the thing is people are grown up around crime from birth and have different morals you cant help it , honestly the film another bronx tale explains it well, nil by mouth another good one ,If you live among wolves you have to act like a wolf. prison is where normal good people go ,weirdos go to university ,this is the mentality,even a propper job is kinda frowned appon unless there is benifts what can you take , ,so there is a flip side to the coin ,and some opinions sound so farfetch it sounds absolute nuts ,

Christy Kinahan was middle class and made his empire selling poison, so stop it with the Daniel Kinahan made from the streets shite

yes, the drug crime laws are ripe for exploitation, and wrong

A kid who gets in with the local guy with a fancy car an jewelry by doing a few very well paid "errands" for him cannot be blamed, but the people who actively exploit these disgusting trades can't be handwaved away as unfortunate products of their enviroments, their VICTIMS are usually those unfortunate products because they are the ones exploited, robbed, beaten, and abused

i know but the thing is you always get done when you go against the law everyone does ,but thats up to the courts so what im getting at is. is it a moral issue at the moment, bescause if it is, who are the moral police on it , iam older now i dont think like i did as child which i was a far more hardcore and honestly it werent abut flashy nothing it is about respect or being known by someone big because these people are the celebritys , if someone said there is tom crusie when i was kid i would off said the geezer is p.... but there is a local or maybe a world wide bussiness man you would be in ore , look everyone has the same morals when comes to predators , but everything else can be very subjective
i mean look at prrimark nikee all these gafs all have expolited kids allegedly, slave labour no one cares really you just dont think about it you cant or it would eat you up

Libertarian socialist anarchism is the way to go buddy, but that's deep socio-econim policy but not as scary as it sounds, far from it. Hierarcnies are inherently ripe for corruption, so they must be torn down

[brilo33]

Christy Kinahan was middle class and made his empire selling poison, so stop it with the Daniel Kinahan made from the streets shite

yes, the drug crime laws are ripe for exploitation, and wrong

A kid who gets in with the local guy with a fancy car an jewelry by doing a few very well paid "errands" for him cannot be blamed, but the people who actively exploit these disgusting trades can't be handwaved away as unfortunate products of their enviroments, their VICTIMS are usually those unfortunate products because they are the ones exploited, robbed, beaten, and abused

i know but the thing is you always get done when you go against the law everyone does ,but thats up to the courts so what im getting at is. is it a moral issue at the moment, bescause if it is, who are the moral police on it , iam older now i dont think like i did as child which i was a far more hardcore and honestly it werent abut flashy nothing it is about respect or being known by someone big because these people are the celebritys , if someone said there is tom crusie when i was kid i would off said the geezer is p.... but there is a local or maybe a world wide bussiness man you would be in ore , look everyone has the same morals when comes to predators , but everything else can be very subjective
i mean look at prrimark nikee all these gafs all have expolited kids allegedly, slave labour no one cares really you just dont think about it you cant or it would eat you up

Libertarian socialist anarchism is the way to go buddy, but that's deep socio-econim policy but not as scary as it sounds, far from it. Hierarcnies are inherently ripe for corruption, so they must be torn down

its hard when your born in to it mate and there isnt anyone offering you anything better , it aint black n white more than that ,

[GreenLightning]

Nope, certainlynot, but a talented BJJ fighter I saw roll years with McGregor once is now in jail for I believe a drug money related gangland hit

This can suck anybody in, and it has to be addressed

[GreenLightning]

Isn't Sean Turner in trouble for threating/ extorting/blackmailing people?

[GreenLightning]

look the thing is people are grown up around crime from birth and have different morals you cant help it , honestly the film another bronx tale explains it well, nil by mouth another good one ,If you live among wolves you have to act like a wolf. prison is where normal good people go ,weirdos go to university ,this is the mentality,even a propper job is kinda frowned appon unless there is benifts what can you take , ,so there is a flip side to the coin ,and some opinions sound so farfetch it sounds absolute nuts ,

Christy Kinahan was middle class and made his empire selling poison, so stop it with the Daniel Kinahan made from the streets shite

yes, the drug crime laws are ripe for exploitation, and wrong

A kid who gets in with the local guy with a fancy car an jewelry by doing a few very well paid "errands" for him cannot be blamed, but the people who actively exploit these disgusting trades can't be handwaved away as unfortunate products of their enviroments, their VICTIMS are usually those unfortunate products because they are the ones exploited, robbed, beaten, and abused

i know but the thing is you always get done when you go against the law everyone does ,but thats up to the courts so what im getting at is. is it a moral issue at the moment, bescause if it is, who are the moral police on it , iam older now i dont think like i did as child which i was a far more hardcore and honestly it werent abut flashy nothing it is about respect or being known by someone big because these people are the celebritys , if someone said there is tom crusie when i was kid i would off said the geezer is p.... but there is a local or maybe a world wide bussiness man you would be in ore , look everyone has the same morals when comes to predators , but everything else can be very subjective
i mean look at prrimark nikee all these gafs all have expolited kids allegedly, slave labour no one cares really you just dont think about it you cant or it would eat you up

They need to be stopped, morally, because they flood the streets with poison, lots, and lotsof it, they make money off socities most vulnerable and ths has consequences in all of our communties, many many people being executed across international countries.

It is up to the laws to be changed for sure, but right now ,Daniel Kinahan is the threat, we can deal with the rest of the joke system after this humiliation is over, Veronica Guerins murder cracked down heavy on the drugs gangs because of the threats and brutal nature of her assassination, Kinahan has to go, one way or another

Kinahan now is the John Gilligan of his day, too much attention for being too stupid and greedy and trigger happy

[GreenLightning]

what i dont like is journalist are putting on straight people like its our thought for watching boxing ,and were compatible for the crime and drug trade around the world , when it aint thats for the law dont put it on us ,

This is true for drug illegality, legalise it and we won;t have to buy shit deals cut with twigs and bits of acorn. Criminilisation doesn't work and it just leaves addicts thrown in jail with criminal records for having a small bit of crack in their pocket. Legalise it, regulate it heavily, tax it, take it out of the hands of the gangsters, prohibition all overagain.

Althought maybe the big companies who would end up patenting it wouldn't be too far from, gangsters themselves I'm sure

[SticknMove]

what i dont like is journalist are putting on straight people like its our thought for watching boxing ,and were compatible for the crime and drug trade around the world , when it aint thats for the law dont put it on us ,

This is true for drug illegality, legalise it and we won;t have to buy shit deals cut with twigs and bits of acorn. Criminilisation doesn't work and it just leaves addicts thrown in jail with criminal records for having a small bit of crack in their pocket. Legalise it, regulate it heavily, tax it, take it out of the hands of the gangsters, prohibition all overagain.

Althought maybe the big companies who would end up patenting it wouldn't be too far from, gangsters themselves I'm sure

Legalizing it will provide another liberalizing that will only benefit cartels, big corporations and create an even bigger elite with all involved in the loop as long as you and yours do well. I'm all for it...where do i sign on and off.

I doubt the so called 'scum' will have a chance but they will be indoctrinated to be so. Never ending loop in this world.

[Nightmare Roy]

Looks like they are moving into being football agents according to the newspapers today

[tony1234]

Will they get licensed ?

[mickey1975]

John Hyland, who has very close links to MTK, went to war over Wayne Rooney’s contract a few years ago. Kenny Dalglish brought the Adams family for back up, Hyland took former pro Chris P Bacon.

[brilo33]

Christy Kinahan was middle class and made his empire selling poison, so stop it with the Daniel Kinahan made from the streets shite

yes, the drug crime laws are ripe for exploitation, and wrong

A kid who gets in with the local guy with a fancy car an jewelry by doing a few very well paid "errands" for him cannot be blamed, but the people who actively exploit these disgusting trades can't be handwaved away as unfortunate products of their enviroments, their VICTIMS are usually those unfortunate products because they are the ones exploited, robbed, beaten, and abused

i know but the thing is you always get done when you go against the law everyone does ,but thats up to the courts so what im getting at is. is it a moral issue at the moment, bescause if it is, who are the moral police on it , iam older now i dont think like i did as child which i was a far more hardcore and honestly it werent abut flashy nothing it is about respect or being known by someone big because these people are the celebritys , if someone said there is tom crusie when i was kid i would off said the geezer is p.... but there is a local or maybe a world wide bussiness man you would be in ore , look everyone has the same morals when comes to predators , but everything else can be very subjective
i mean look at prrimark nikee all these gafs all have expolited kids allegedly, slave labour no one cares really you just dont think about it you cant or it would eat you up

They need to be stopped, morally, because they flood the streets with poison, lots, and lotsof it, they make money off socities most vulnerable and ths has consequences in all of our communties, many many people being executed across international countries.

It is up to the laws to be changed for sure, but right now ,Daniel Kinahan is the threat, we can deal with the rest of the joke system after this humiliation is over, Veronica Guerins murder cracked down heavy on the drugs gangs because of the threats and brutal nature of her assassination, Kinahan has to go, one way or another

Kinahan now is the John Gilligan of his day, too much attention for being too stupid and greedy and trigger happy

but then surley alcohol should be stopped , far more people are in jail because of alcohol especially for violent crime like beating up someone in the street for no reason , i would say alcohol has had huge bad impacted of my life more than any thing, and i ant an alcoholic, ive seen so many people put away because of that in london the city double figures ,so many people make there family life a misery cause of alcohol its unture . i remember dealers going to war over heroin to be honest it was keeped to there selfs yea the skag heads turned the gaf into a dive but no more than home life with alcohol

[GreenLightning]

i know but the thing is you always get done when you go against the law everyone does ,but thats up to the courts so what im getting at is. is it a moral issue at the moment, bescause if it is, who are the moral police on it , iam older now i dont think like i did as child which i was a far more hardcore and honestly it werent abut flashy nothing it is about respect or being known by someone big because these people are the celebritys , if someone said there is tom crusie when i was kid i would off said the geezer is p.... but there is a local or maybe a world wide bussiness man you would be in ore , look everyone has the same morals when comes to predators , but everything else can be very subjective
i mean look at prrimark nikee all these gafs all have expolited kids allegedly, slave labour no one cares really you just dont think about it you cant or it would eat you up

They need to be stopped, morally, because they flood the streets with poison, lots, and lotsof it, they make money off socities most vulnerable and ths has consequences in all of our communties, many many people being executed across international countries.

It is up to the laws to be changed for sure, but right now ,Daniel Kinahan is the threat, we can deal with the rest of the joke system after this humiliation is over, Veronica Guerins murder cracked down heavy on the drugs gangs because of the threats and brutal nature of her assassination, Kinahan has to go, one way or another

Kinahan now is the John Gilligan of his day, too much attention for being too stupid and greedy and trigger happy

but then surley alcohol should be stopped , far more people are in jail because of alcohol especially for violent crime like beating up someone in the street for no reason , i would say alcohol has had huge bad impacted of my life more than any thing, and i ant an alcoholic, ive seen so many people put away because of that in london the city double figures ,so many people make there family life a misery cause of alcohol its unture . i remember dealers going to war over heroin to be honest it was keeped to there selfs yea the skag heads turned the gaf into a dive but no more than home life with alcohol

Ever heard of Al Capone? That gigantic feud was over alcohol and many people were murdered, because alcohol was banned. Drugs need to be legalised or decriminalize with robust systems of support for those who develops problems

That would take pretty much all power away from drug gangs, and it won't be cut with as much shit that can be worse than the drug itself etc.many people died from dodgy beer during prohibition

[brilo33]

They need to be stopped, morally, because they flood the streets with poison, lots, and lotsof it, they make money off socities most vulnerable and ths has consequences in all of our communties, many many people being executed across international countries.

It is up to the laws to be changed for sure, but right now ,Daniel Kinahan is the threat, we can deal with the rest of the joke system after this humiliation is over, Veronica Guerins murder cracked down heavy on the drugs gangs because of the threats and brutal nature of her assassination, Kinahan has to go, one way or another

Kinahan now is the John Gilligan of his day, too much attention for being too stupid and greedy and trigger happy

but then surley alcohol should be stopped , far more people are in jail because of alcohol especially for violent crime like beating up someone in the street for no reason , i would say alcohol has had huge bad impacted of my life more than any thing, and i ant an alcoholic, ive seen so many people put away because of that in london the city double figures ,so many people make there family life a misery cause of alcohol its unture . i remember dealers going to war over heroin to be honest it was keeped to there selfs yea the skag heads turned the gaf into a dive but no more than home life with alcohol

Ever heard of Al Capone? That gigantic feud was over alcohol and many people were murdered, because alcohol was banned. Drugs need to be legalised or decriminalize with robust systems of support for those who develops problems

i know to be honest i am playing devil's advocate a bit because i agree with you on most things ,but one thing i stick by is it shouldnt be put on boxing fans, the gardi or goverment should do there jobs , and not making decent people feel guilty about watching sport

[brilo33]

but all in all is there any sport in the world that where you kill your opponent you win quicker the better really

[maverick23]

I saw an interview with FWarren yesterday - he’s got his lawyers involved and is suing Panorama.

I’m not quite sure why but he doesn’t need much excuse to get his lawyers involved. At least it’s not a fighter he’s going after this time.

[mickey1975]

I saw an interview with FWarren yesterday - he’s got his lawyers involved and is suing Panorama.

I’m not quite sure why but he doesn’t need much excuse to get his lawyers involved. At least it’s not a fighter he’s going after this time.

Probably the way they used Fury constantly throughout the programme as though he’s the only fighter to deal with them.

[TheLeprechaun]

I saw an interview with FWarren yesterday - he’s got his lawyers involved and is suing Panorama.

I’m not quite sure why but he doesn’t need much excuse to get his lawyers involved. At least it’s not a fighter he’s going after this time.

Probably the way they used Fury constantly throughout the programme as though he’s the only fighter to deal with them.

That makes no sense. They used Fury because of the huge money fight with Joshua which they explained in the program.

[dookus]

I saw an interview with FWarren yesterday - he’s got his lawyers involved and is suing Panorama.

I’m not quite sure why but he doesn’t need much excuse to get his lawyers involved. At least it’s not a fighter he’s going after this time.

I take it they'll be wanting payment in advance