Round-by-Round: Josh Kelly vs. David Avanesyan - 20 February 2021

[Counter-puncher]

I’m going to have a guess and say Kash Farooq and Ian Napa are two British fighters that actually used the shell/roll properly. I don’t think I can remember any others. Some of Booth’s fighters used it in the same half-arsed way that Kelly does

Ola Afolabi.

Good call.

[samwbr]

Avanesyan not getting the credit he deserves. He was coming in to the fight in great form, was never losing, they knew Kelly didn't really fancy it.

[ShadrachSimmo]

Classy post by Adam.
He understands the dynamics of looking after your fighters as he does it himself .

He looks for the lowest risk / highest reward for his fighters which as a fan is irritating but for the boxers he manages/train shows he has their health and best interests at heart.

The towel was a good call.

However many of us have said that Kelly has learnt very little while under Booth's spell. If he had then no towel would have been needed.

Yup. His fighter was in a position he’d never been in before. He was hurt and Booth made the right call. I’ve not seen all his fights but what I’ve seen he’s had straight forward wins. No shame losing to a better fighter. He’ll come again with less of the cockiness maybe.

[Loftgroov]

These dildos not even considering social distancing, even when cameras are present.

Based on what I saw last night, Ava would beat the shit out of Benn.

[smiling assassin]

These dildos not even considering social distancing, even when cameras are present.

Based on what I saw last night, Ava would beat the shit out of Benn.

Kelly beats the shit out of Benn let alone Ava

[forcefraser]

Marku v Kelly
Benn v Khan

Winners fight each other for a shot at Avaneysan.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Marku v Kelly
Benn v Khan

Winners fight each other for a shot at Avaneysan.

Amir Khan?

Where did he pop out from?

[margaret thatcher]

his mum's tum

[SticknMove]

Looks like Josh has hit a level he will not overcome.

Can't seeing him coming back from that to anything near the hype/potential that was laid out for him.

Can argue that it was too soon for him and needed to be battle hardened earlier or over the next few years, but there will more of the same coming his way unless that speed and reflexes become truly elite.

[coneye]

You really only have to look at it simply , Kelly was /is a real good upcoming fighter who done well under his original coach ,,, he then turns pro , Now we all know the pro's is different to the ameteurs and it takes time to adjust ,, So what does his manager do , he do , his promoter do ,, I don't know who the brains trust behind him moving but move he did .

Did his old coach have the time to fix his mistakes , NO a celebrity coach smelled the dollars and moved in ,, now some could argue his old coach allowed the mistakes , but yet his old coach got him there , I would personaly say , ameteurs and pro's are different and he needed to evaluate and change things thats all .


He moves to what i would call a big name celebrity trainer , a guy who is good at pinching established boxers and then does fook all with them until they leave him .

So he moves , now is the time for this good trainer to use what i call the eye , he looks at his previous fights and says , C,mon here son , see this this and this ,, you do it great ,, But you see that that and that , its SHIT STOP DOING IT ,,, then set out to stop the shit and improve it get rid of the bad habits , and also improve the good ones , continually watching that the lad does'nt drop into his bad habits , strip him back to basics , improve him , Now has this happenne to Josh , NO what did this great trainer do , he allowed him to continue the bad habits stopped him improving on his good habits by wasting time in the gym building his body up but forsaking the proper boxing training that builds stamina ,

Hence whats the result , the new trainer did'nt have the eye , to see the same old common mistakes were there ,, the stamina IS'NT THERE , and the kid can't do 6 rnds without gassing ,, now considering he's suppossed to be a 12 rnd fighter that is UNACEPTABLE from a well paid trainer .

So not only did Josh not get his bad habits cleaned up , his stamina was'nt there ,

Now thats not to say Josh is'nt a good boxer he is , but his talents were honed elwhere , is failures were not given time to be adressed by his old coach , his new whoopi doo top of the range coach did fook all except u tube interviews , and allowed the old mistakes to flourish ,

Too be honest his new coach should of been saying , NO he's not ready for this fight , and then telling Josh , your missing out on paydays , because your not getting rid of the bad habits , your stamina is shite and until you buckle down , your not fighting , then start teaching,,, not training, with weight trainers and dietiscn ect , but getting one on one in the ring , telling them , stiffen that front leg , when they do it , push them over and say see , to stiff no where to go ,, throw that left hook , , when they do hit him on the nose and say see your dropping your elbow i can see it a mile away .

Teaching is what does it , not scientific methods cos a well paid weight trainer tells ya .

Basicly he has not improved one iota under this guy , who should off had him out of all these bad habits by now , and above all should of known he's not fit for 12 rnds , but above all else should of said so to the promoter ,

Can Josh do it course he can he
s got a couple years left , he's got talent , but he ain't gonna do it where he is ,

[Twinkle Toes]

I'm with coneye on this one.

I don't know what goes on in Booth's gym, because it's like some kind of dark arts harry potter academy with a pound shop svengali at the helm.

Fact is Booth was the one pushing for the Ava fight, even 2 years ago. It's no one else's fault that his fighter wasn't ready but Booth's. It was his call and his training that has failed his fighter, but by all means say how wonderful a trainer he is for throwing the towel in.

There are a lot of bad habits in that gym, along with a certain personality trait. Arrogance seems to be the one. I don't think Josh could believe that someone had the audacity to hit him back and rough him up. He's had as Hearn put it, an ego check.

[coneye]

I'm with coneye on this one.

I don't know what goes on in Booth's gym, because it's like some kind of dark arts harry potter academy with a pound shop svengali at the helm.

Fact is Booth was the one pushing for the Ava fight, even 2 years ago. It's no on else's fault that his fighter wasn't ready but Booth's. It was his call and his training that has failed his fighter, but by all means say how wonderful a trainer he is for throwing the towel in.

There are a lot of bad habits in that gym, along with a certain personality trait. Arrogance seems to be the one. I don't think Josh could believe that someone had the audacity to hit him back and rough him up. He's had as Hearn put it, an ego check.

Glad you agree ,,, Now for people who are lets say just fans , with no experience , I will try and explain it a differnt way ,,, When i was working , at the end of my working carreer has a builder , i was doing a lot of very high end renovation work , now i charged a lot for this work , and also PAYED a lot for good tradesman .

Now i know this is different but bear with me .

Now i would pay a carpenter good money to do a second fix and say put in good quality wood , I might come across a dent in the wood , from a hammer hit ,,, now before its painted i would say to said carpenter get it out , we cannott charge what were charging to leave a customer with a big dent in his wood , more often than not that carpenter would say we have to replace it ,, My answer would be YOU PAY FOR IT ,, there would often be an heated discusion , which would result in me saying your on top money your a celebrity carpenter , but you don't know how to fix it , FOOK off i'll fix it , then i would not use that subbie again , heh, he would of done a good job , but was'nt a tradesman , because a tradesmen would off known .

Now move on i never spotted that hammer mark , but my painter did , he would say what do we do here , and i would say , we get rid of the dent , he would scratch his head and say HOW ,,, I would role my eyes and say your the tradesmen , you tell me ,, He would say how , and i would say don't worry i'll fix it it won't be there in the morning ,
The following week , i would drop there prices and say , average carpemnter / painter charge, is 50 bucks an hour i'm paying you 80 bucks an hour because your supposed to be good , you tell me you are , but up till now your only doing what everyone else does , Why should i pay the extra , just cos you and your admirers think your great

Fo r the extra money i want someone who knows what to do with the dent , i want a painter who knows how to treat that sulphide stain or water stain , i want an expert , after all i'm paying for it .

Bring it back to boxing , you want a trainer who can spot every mistake and fix every mistake within a select time frame . Celebrity trainers are like celebrity carpenters or painters , they talk a good game , and have hero worshippers talk them up , but when push comes to shove there no better than most others , and quite often worse, because they don't have the years and years of coaching lads from Wo to Go .

Just in case your wondering ,, you would iron / steam , out the hammer dent , Or hit the sulphide stain with a metho based shellac before painting ,, there ya go a bit of useless info for the home renovator , giving my secrets away

But seriously i really don't think you just say to yourself one day ,, I know , i'm gonna be a boxer cos my dad was , you learn to box its an apprentaship , , kids who watched there dad , brother , uncle from an early age , pick things up , but not enough to say i'm a boxer without doing that learning under a coach .

Now its the same for trainers , you don't say , Heh , i'm gonna be a trainer cos my dad boxed and i watched him train , or because i had 45 ameteur fights ,, You go and become a helper in a gym , then progress to being the chief assistan in the gym , you watch , learn and pinch every idea you can , then you start out training kids , and if you are lucky you work with pro's but the main thing is YOU LEARN from the people around you , ... Lots of these celebrity trainers just go from start to the top and just never learnt to have the eye , and without the eye ,,, you will never know whats going wrong or how to fix it ,

[high tower 1]

Terry on high fields boxing did an interesting podcast on this. He talks out of his hoop a lot of the time but I think he was spot on with this.

He’s saying the same as coneye what is so good about the batch of celeb trainers- booth and davison in particular.

I’d really love to know what Brendan ingle did as well that got such results. I’m assuming a lot of it was mental work with his fighters.