Gennady Golovkin vs. Jaime Munguia - TBA

[Evander]

I'd like to see it again. It was a close fight, and a good fight.

Was it really though ?
Perhaps on an official 115-113 115-113 and 114-114 judges scorecard it does look on the face of it to be close, but just watch the fight.
There's no way a clean judge could possibly have come up of those numbers, even the draw makes no sense.
You had 115-113 for GGG, which means even you had 5 rounds for Canelo, I'd like to know where those 5 rounds came from because I didn't see them.
At best Canelo won maybe 3 rounds 4 at most but even that's a push.
If you do have some spare time in your schedule gilg, can you tell me exactly what 5 rounds you saw for Canelo, perhaps we can go over them together with a fine tooth comb, it should be interesting reading for the board.

Ok Evander so since it was primarily you who were interested I'll give you the full recap.

Round 1 - Canelo *
Round 2 - GGG *
Round 3- GGG
Round 4 - GGG
Round 5 - GGG
Round 6 - Canelo
Round 7- Canelo
Round 8 - GGG *
Round 9 - GGG
Round 10 - GGG
Round 11 - GGG *
Round 12 - GGG

So my score was 117-111 Golovkin, if you give Canelo the benefit of the doubt on every single close round then you have a 114-114 Draw.

So having him as the winner means you're just awarding him a round he clearly didn't win somewhere in there.

Looks like 9-3 Big Drama Show from where I'm sitting and you told me so.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Jaime Munguia Eyes April Ring Return In Event Golovkin Talks Stall

Jaime Munguia is ready for the next step in his middleweight journey, though not the leap previously anticipated by his handlers.

Talks regarding a potential showdown with two-time and reigning IBF middleweight titlist Gennadiy Golovkin (41-1-1, 36KOs) remain open yet appear less likely to be next for the unbeaten former junior middleweight titlist. There instead exists a more likely chance for Munguia to instead shift his attention towards a springtime return, likely to take place within the first two weeks of April against an opponent to further ready him for the top level, co-promoter Zanfer Promotions informs Boxing Scene.

Unbeaten middleweight contender Kanat Islam (27-0, 21KOs) has been loosely mentioned as a potential foe, with the intention of facing a top ranked middleweight contender. A final opponent has not been determined as this goes to publish, with talks ongoing with Islam and at least one other ranked middleweight. A showdown with Golovkin remains the preference, however, with the fight to air on DAZN if the two sides can cross the finish line.

Munguia (36-0, 29KOs) will fight for the third time as a middleweight since officially abandoning his WBO junior middleweight title reign at the end of 2019. A pair of stoppage wins have since followed over veteran contenders Gary ‘Spike’ O’Sullivan and Tureano Johnson, both taking place in 2020.

The unbeaten Tijuana native saw his name attached to a potential title fight in a second weight division shortly after Golovkin dismantled unbeaten mandatory challenger Kamil Szeremeta inside of seven rounds last December at Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino in Hollywood, Florida. The win was Golovkin’s first defense of his second tour as a middleweight titlist, with attention immediately shifting towards a springtime showdown with Munguia.

Oscar de la Hoya, founder and chairman of Golden Boy Promotions—who co-promotes Munguia along with Zanfer Promotions—spoke candidly of eyeing a Cinco de Mayo themed event for the occasion. Such efforts will instead have to be placed in a potential showdown closer to Mexican Independence Day, as the two will head in separate directions at least for their next fight.

Munguia managed five successful defenses of his WBO junior middleweight title. His entire reign spanned just 16 months from his title-winning 4th round stoppage of Sadam Ali in May 2018 to a one-sided stoppage win over Patrick Allotey in Sept. 2018, in celebration of Mexican Independence Day.

Interestingly, his title challenge of Ali came about only after Munguia was rejected as a replacement opponent to face then-unbeaten Golovkin in a May 2018 unified middleweight title fight. Munguia was prepared to replace countryman Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez (54-1-2, 36KOs), who tested positive for Clenbuterol which killed plans for a Cinco de Mayo 2018 rematch with Golovkin.

The proposed bout between Golovkin and Munguia was rejected by the Nevada State Athletic Commission, who deemed Munguia—just 21 and an unproven contender at the time—unfit to challenge an elite pound-for-pound entrant and long-reigning middleweight titlist.

Golovkin took his act to Southern California where he slaughtered Vanes Martirosyan inside of two rounds, while Munguia raised his profile with the aforementioned win over Ali. Golovkin’s reign ended in his next fight, dropping a 12-round majority decision to Alvarez in their Sept. 2018 rematch. Less than 13 months later began his second reign, barely outlasting Sergiy Derevyanchenko in their Oct. 2019 vacant title fight which was recognized by BS.com as the 2019 Fight of the Year.

For now, a fight between Golovkin and Munguia appears less likely to be in the cards for their immediate future. Wins by both in their next bouts could still lead to such an encounter, although the preference remains a head-on collision.

[pound per pound]

It seems that GGG has a penchant for competing against smaller guys that had previously and relatively recently competed in lower weight classes, such as these fighters he faced from the time he initially became a world champion:

Didn't Hagler and Monzon do this too, in their prime years? So did Hopkins. Be fair now. GGG is near 40, he can pick who he wants. It's not like Manny or Floyd will fight him now. It's not like Cotto or Martinez would fight him back them. Strum said no thank you too.

[pound per pound]

Munguia isn't really that small.. He's very young and will likely end up finishing his career at 175 or 168 at least. Saying he used to be a light welterweight is saying Canelo used to be a welterweight, but you marked Canelo as a LMW.

Canelo can be classed as a career 154/160.. At the moment, Munguia is too big for 154.. I think at the end of his career, he will be mostly known as a middleweight.

Even if you don't agree with one or two of the specific names I listed, what I wrote is technically accurate and it's very challenging to undermine the general point I'm making.

Look at the names I previously listed and review: their resumes'; their form at 160lbs; and their middleweight experience/accomplishments prior to facing GGG.

The same applies to Munguia, except Jaime's form at 154lbs hasn't been impressive recently either.

GGG is facing another smaller guy who hasn't beaten any world-rated middleweights.

Looks like your a hater type. Are you the look for obscure details type, or is it beyond that and GGG's record somehow bothers you?

Munguia, will be well over the middle weight limit if they fight. Canelo was in the 180's and refused to step on the scale for the 2nd GGG fight.

These guys at 154, if you know boxing walk around over the middle weight limit, so not they are not jr middles, nor do they fight at that weight

PS: Szeremeta was ranked well inside the top ten by ring magazine at middle weight when he fought GGG. So the narrative you trying to create is flawed at best and wrong in the latest example.

[margaret thatcher]

ya eo's got a weird obsession with ggg and some wonky standards for sure, he's been silly on this issue before too

he got all huffy when someone said algeiri had recently moved up from 140 when he fought spence. algeiri had last fought at 140 2 years before.

meanwhile, david lemieux had been fighting at mw for the last 7 years when he fought ggg, but because he had a 154 fight 7 years ago he counts to eo as some blown up little guy just moving up in weight. ummmmm , k bruh, if 2 years aint recently than 7 years sure as hell aint



the dude's posts are so long in part because it takes a sh!tload of mental gymnastics to try to reconcile stuff like this
check here for his amazing consistency on the weight matter lol viewtopic.php?f=22&t=236541&hilit= , look how he is brutally pwned like a b!tch here

[gilgamesh]

ya eo's got a weird obsession with ggg and some wonky standards for sure, he's been silly on this issue before too

he got all huffy when someone said algeiri had recently moved up from 140 when he fought spence. algeiri had last fought at 140 2 years before.

meanwhile, david lemieux had been fighting at mw for the last 7 years when he fought ggg, but because he had a 154 fight 7 years ago he counts to eo as some blown up little guy just moving up in weight. ummmmm , k bruh, if 2 years aint recently than 7 years sure as hell aint



the dude's posts are so long in part because it takes a sh!tload of mental gymnastics to try to reconcile stuff like this
check here for his amazing consistency on the weight matter lol viewtopic.php?f=22&t=236541&hilit= , look how he is brutally pwned like a b!tch here

And just can't ever admit it.

I've been wrong, and proven wrong before, and I own it when it happens. That's all you can do, and not look like a jerkoff.

Something as simple as responding with "Fair point" when someone calls you on your inconsistencies will pretty much help you save face.

Hell I remember when the 1st Stiverne vs Arreola fight was coming up I was so confident that Stiverne was gonna get his ass kicked that I said it was a slam dunk pick for Arreola, and I was going on and on about how confident I was he was gonna kick Stiverne's ass. When he lost the fight, I was the first person to bust my own balls. I put up a gif of a guy going for a Slam Dunk, and missing it

[Ruthless-RKO]

Hearn: Golovkin vs. Munguia is Great Fight For Middleweight Division

Promoter Eddie Hearn, who works with IBF/IBO middleweight champion Gennadiy Golovkin, is very interested in matching him against undefeated contender Jaime Munguia.

Munguia, who captured the WBO title at 154 and made a move to middleweight last year, is very motivated to face Golovkin.

The two boxers were at one point scheduled to fight each other in 2018, but the Nevada State Athletic Commission refused to sanction the fight - citing the inexperience at the time of Munguia.

“I think the one that stands out not just in terms of boxing but for DAZN is Golovkin vs Jaimie Munguia," Hearn told DAZN.

“I think that’s a great fight for the division, I think it’s an all-action fight. This is a big year for Gennady because he is approaching the back end of his career. He’s an unbelievable fighter and an unbelievable person, and he wants to be involved in the big fights. I think now with the global platform of DAZN, we need to be looking at all these stars."

The most lucrative fight for Golovkin is a trilogy fight with Canelo Alvarez, who currently holds the WBC, WBA super middleweight titles.

Canelo is back in the ring on Saturday, when he faces mandatory challenger Avni Yildirim in Miami, Florida.

Should he win, the Mexican superstar would then face WBO champion Billy Joe Saunders in the month of May.

Hearn is working with Canelo for his next two fights, but obviously wants expand their working relationship.

He expects a Canelo-Golovkin trilogy to eventually happen - at the super middleweight limit of 168.

“I think Canelo has made it clear that he wants to become the undisputed champion at 168. The Golovkin fight, of course, it’s there for me. It’s one of the best fights in boxing," Hearn said.

"When I go back to Canelo being his own boss, he’s really focused, and when he sets his mind to something, he wants to make sure he achieves that. It was very clear to me even before the Callum Smith fight, he wanted to make sure he won every belt in the 168-lb division.

"So he won’t be going back to 160, I don’t believe. So Gennadiy is a belt-holder at 160. It would mean Gennady would need to come up to 168, which he would be willing to do. I don’t think that fight by any means is out of the equation, but obviously, Gennady is in a position with his career where he wants those big fights as soon as possible."

[gregregegg]

forgot nevada stopped this once, Still cant belive they stopped this fight from happening because Munguia wasn't experienced enough, i do think it was too early for him, but it was completly reasonable.. He was about 28-0 and a world champ at the time wasnt he? considering the one-sided beat downs Nevada has had no dramas with sanctioning before and since, especially when they just let prospects bash cab drivers on the regular.

[Ruthless-RKO]

forgot nevada stopped this once, Still cant belive they stopped this fight from happening because Munguia wasn't experienced enough, i do think it was too early for him, but it was completly reasonable.. He was about 28-0 and a world champ at the time wasnt he? considering the one-sided beat downs Nevada has had no dramas with sanctioning before and since, especially when they just let prospects bash cab drivers on the regular.

Wasn't a world champion, although he did win it his next fight... Was campaining at 154 at the time.

[Enlightened-One]

forgot nevada stopped this once, Still cant belive they stopped this fight from happening because Munguia wasn't experienced enough, i do think it was too early for him, but it was completly reasonable.. He was about 28-0 and a world champ at the time wasnt he? considering the one-sided beat downs Nevada has had no dramas with sanctioning before and since, especially when they just let prospects bash cab drivers on the regular.

The media announced GGG's attempts to orchestrate a fight between himself and Munguia back in April 2018 (or perhaps even earlier).

The Mexican was only 21½ years of age, he was only a 154lb-er, he’d never faced a world-rated opponent, he definitely wasn’t a world-champ and had only engaged in one bout that lasted more than six rounds.

At this point in time, Golovkin was an unbeaten top-five rated pound-for-pounder looking to avoid facing the high-risk Derevyanchenko, because he didn’t want to scupper his chances of receiving the mega-Canelo payday, so he was trying to engage in an horrendous mismatch instead.

Munguia wasn’t approved by the commission, but Martirosyan was,

And this led to GGG facing an opponent that had never beaten a top fighter, had been inactive for two years, wasn’t a middleweight and had only won one fight in within the previous 3½ years.

[The Gratest]

[gregregegg]

forgot nevada stopped this once, Still cant belive they stopped this fight from happening because Munguia wasn't experienced enough, i do think it was too early for him, but it was completly reasonable.. He was about 28-0 and a world champ at the time wasnt he? considering the one-sided beat downs Nevada has had no dramas with sanctioning before and since, especially when they just let prospects bash cab drivers on the regular.

The media announced GGG's attempts to orchestrate a fight between himself and Munguia back in April 2018 (or perhaps even earlier).

The Mexican was only 21½ years of age, he was only a 154lb-er, he’d never faced a world-rated opponent, he definitely wasn’t a world-champ and had only engaged in one bout that lasted more than six rounds.

At this point in time, Golovkin was an unbeaten top-five rated pound-for-pounder looking to avoid facing the high-risk Derevyanchenko, because he didn’t want to scupper his chances of receiving the mega-Canelo payday, so he was trying to engage in an horrendous mismatch instead.

Munguia wasn’t approved by the commission, but Martirosyan was,

And this led to GGG facing an opponent that had never beaten a top fighter, had been inactive for two years, wasn’t a middleweight and had only won one fight in within the previous 3½ years.

Ah I thought he was just world champ, by then, my bad. out by a couple of months. As I said, probably too early for him but worse mismatches have been made in my opinion but mabey that’s hindsight. I guess they saw what happened last time someone moved up and fought GGG. With all those things against him makes him being world champ 2 months later pretty impressive.

[Enlightened-One]

forgot nevada stopped this once, Still cant belive they stopped this fight from happening because Munguia wasn't experienced enough, i do think it was too early for him, but it was completly reasonable.. He was about 28-0 and a world champ at the time wasnt he? considering the one-sided beat downs Nevada has had no dramas with sanctioning before and since, especially when they just let prospects bash cab drivers on the regular.

The media announced GGG's attempts to orchestrate a fight between himself and Munguia back in April 2018 (or perhaps even earlier).

The Mexican was only 21½ years of age, he was only a 154lb-er, he’d never faced a world-rated opponent, he definitely wasn’t a world-champ and had only engaged in one bout that lasted more than six rounds.

At this point in time, Golovkin was an unbeaten top-five rated pound-for-pounder looking to avoid facing the high-risk Derevyanchenko, because he didn’t want to scupper his chances of receiving the mega-Canelo payday, so he was trying to engage in an horrendous mismatch instead.

Munguia wasn’t approved by the commission, but Martirosyan was,

And this led to GGG facing an opponent that had never beaten a top fighter, had been inactive for two years, wasn’t a middleweight and had only won one fight in within the previous 3½ years.

Ah I thought he was just world champ, by then, my bad. out by a couple of months. As I said, probably too early for him but worse mismatches have been made in my opinion but mabey that’s hindsight.

I think you’ll struggle to name any unbeaten top-five rated pound-for-pounder that blatantly refused to face his mandatory challenger and vacate his title, in preference to engage in a mismatch.

I’m not being funny, but the widespread opinion of the media and fight fans was that GGG facing the likes of Munguia or Martirosyan were mismatches.

People might accuse me of being a “hater”, but those facts I’ve cited are irrefutable.

Have there ever been worse mismatches?

Of course the answer is “yes”, but to vacate a title in order to attempt to orchestrate bouts against a plethora of names that were considered badly overmatched opposition, well that’s just unprecedented.

For sure, you’ll inevitably disagree with me? Because GGG can do no wrong, right?

But think about things for a few minutes, and you’ll eventually realise (even if you flatly-refuse to admit it), the facts I’ve cited are 100% accurate.

The SBNation website stated the following about the NSAC refusing to sanction Munguia as GGG’s opponent:

“While Munguia (28-0, 24 KOs) maintains an undefeated record, the 21-year-old prospect hasn’t fought anyone even close to the level of Golovkin and hasn’t even been in a scheduled 12-rounder to this point. He also campaigns in the division below Golovkin so, yeah, it was pretty clear that he was being lined up to be a crash test dummy in a gross mismatch that was probably more dangerous than the sport inherently is.”

Those aren’t my words. And I can provide more examples of the boxing media detesting the proposed 2018 bout between Munguia and GGG, if you think I’ve merely cherry-picked opinions that adhere to my own.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

The media announced GGG's attempts to orchestrate a fight between himself and Munguia back in April 2018 (or perhaps even earlier).

The Mexican was only 21½ years of age, he was only a 154lb-er, he’d never faced a world-rated opponent, he definitely wasn’t a world-champ and had only engaged in one bout that lasted more than six rounds.

At this point in time, Golovkin was an unbeaten top-five rated pound-for-pounder looking to avoid facing the high-risk Derevyanchenko, because he didn’t want to scupper his chances of receiving the mega-Canelo payday, so he was trying to engage in an horrendous mismatch instead.

Munguia wasn’t approved by the commission, but Martirosyan was,

And this led to GGG facing an opponent that had never beaten a top fighter, had been inactive for two years, wasn’t a middleweight and had only won one fight in within the previous 3½ years.

Ah I thought he was just world champ, by then, my bad. out by a couple of months. As I said, probably too early for him but worse mismatches have been made in my opinion but mabey that’s hindsight.

I think you’ll struggle to name any unbeaten top-five rated pound-for-pounder that blatantly refused to face his mandatory challenger and vacate his title, in preference to engage in a mismatch.

I’m not being funny, but the widespread opinion of the media and fight fans was that GGG facing the likes of Munguia or Martirosyan were mismatches.

People might accuse me of being a “hater”, but those facts I’ve cited are irrefutable.

Have there ever been worse mismatches?

Of course the answer is “yes”, but to vacate a title in order to attempt to orchestrate bouts against a plethora of names that were considered badly overmatched opposition, well that’s just unprecedented.

For sure, you’ll inevitably disagree with me? Because GGG can do no wrong, right?

But think about things for a few minutes, and you’ll eventually realise (even if you flatly-refuse to admit it), the facts I’ve cited are 100% accurate.

The SBNation website stated the following about the NSAC refusing to sanction Munguia as GGG’s opponent:

“While Munguia (28-0, 24 KOs) maintains an undefeated record, the 21-year-old prospect hasn’t fought anyone even close to the level of Golovkin and hasn’t even been in a scheduled 12-rounder to this point. He also campaigns in the division below Golovkin so, yeah, it was pretty clear that he was being lined up to be a crash test dummy in a gross mismatch that was probably more dangerous than the sport inherently is.”

Those aren’t my words. And I can provide more examples of the boxing media detesting the proposed 2018 bout between Munguia and GGG, if you think I’ve merely cherry-picked opinions that adhere to my own.

Canelo vacated wbc mw title to avoid GGG mandatory and fight liam smith instead

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Same liam smith who was soundly defeated by...... munguia

[gregregegg]

The media announced GGG's attempts to orchestrate a fight between himself and Munguia back in April 2018 (or perhaps even earlier).

The Mexican was only 21½ years of age, he was only a 154lb-er, he’d never faced a world-rated opponent, he definitely wasn’t a world-champ and had only engaged in one bout that lasted more than six rounds.

At this point in time, Golovkin was an unbeaten top-five rated pound-for-pounder looking to avoid facing the high-risk Derevyanchenko, because he didn’t want to scupper his chances of receiving the mega-Canelo payday, so he was trying to engage in an horrendous mismatch instead.

Munguia wasn’t approved by the commission, but Martirosyan was,

And this led to GGG facing an opponent that had never beaten a top fighter, had been inactive for two years, wasn’t a middleweight and had only won one fight in within the previous 3½ years.

Ah I thought he was just world champ, by then, my bad. out by a couple of months. As I said, probably too early for him but worse mismatches have been made in my opinion but mabey that’s hindsight.

I think you’ll struggle to name any unbeaten top-five rated pound-for-pounder that blatantly refused to face his mandatory challenger and vacate his title, in preference to engage in a mismatch.

I’m not being funny, but the widespread opinion of the media and fight fans was that GGG facing the likes of Munguia or Martirosyan were mismatches.

People might accuse me of being a “hater”, but those facts I’ve cited are irrefutable.

Have there ever been worse mismatches?

Of course the answer is “yes”, but to vacate a title in order to attempt to orchestrate bouts against a plethora of names that were considered badly overmatched opposition, well that’s just unprecedented.

For sure, you’ll inevitably disagree with me? Because GGG can do no wrong, right?

But think about things for a few minutes, and you’ll eventually realise (even if you flatly-refuse to admit it), the facts I’ve cited are 100% accurate.

The SBNation website stated the following about the NSAC refusing to sanction Munguia as GGG’s opponent:

“While Munguia (28-0, 24 KOs) maintains an undefeated record, the 21-year-old prospect hasn’t fought anyone even close to the level of Golovkin and hasn’t even been in a scheduled 12-rounder to this point. He also campaigns in the division below Golovkin so, yeah, it was pretty clear that he was being lined up to be a crash test dummy in a gross mismatch that was probably more dangerous than the sport inherently is.”

Those aren’t my words. And I can provide more examples of the boxing media detesting the proposed 2018 bout between Munguia and GGG, if you think I’ve merely cherry-picked opinions that adhere to my own.

Yep, mismatch but to be fair he had just had a tough fight with canelo that most thought he won, and had that rematch on the way, hard to Blain someone wanting a soft touch in between. Something is better than nothing, canelo didn’t even fight that may between GGG fights.

[margaret thatcher]

would love this fight and have been calling for it, just bombs being launched by these doods

[Enlightened-One]

Canelo vacated wbc mw title to avoid GGG mandatory and fight liam smith instead

You can either pretend that the bṹllșħĩť claim of yours is true or admit that you’re utterly clueless. So what’s it to be?

I'll just recycle one of my old posts, to remind you of reality, rather than your fictional acount of things...

What cannot be refuted though is that the WBC moved the goalposts by changing their mind and bringing forward a negotiation period that would have conflicted with the $27m All-Star Boxing lawsuit that both Canelo and GBP were legally compelled to attend.

The WBC’s conduct resulted in a long-running feud between Canelo and Mauricio Sulaiman’s organisation, whereby Alvarez refused to pay any sanctioning fees to the WBC or accept any of their belts (even commemorative ones) for 2½ years.

I’m going to repeat the same point again-and-again, since it was only the WBC that moved the goalposts, knowing full-well that doing so would compel Canelo to vacate his title.

Even Mauricio Sulaiman made no attempt to refute Team Canelo’s claims, because he couldn’t, due to the WBC’s very own public announcements about this matter.

Here are Canelo’s comments about the matter:

“I’m not grateful to the WBC, nope.

“They made us look like we let the [WBC middleweight championship] title vacate or give it away to Golovkin.

"We had that legal thing in Miami. We were in court, and they wanted us to resolve everything [defend the WBC middleweight belt against Golovkin] while we were in court.

"So we had a lot of things going on, and they made us look like I gave the belt away because I was afraid. No, I’m not afraid of anyone. if that fight happens, it will be without the WBC belt. It will be for the other belts and that’s it, without the WBC.

"Why, because [Sulaiman] acted wrong. How was he going to push for that when I had another problem, and forcing that problem, push, push and push,” said Canelo.”

True to his word, Canelo engaged in a feud with the WBC for 2½ years and he flatly-refused to pay sanctioning fees to Mauricio Sulaiman’s organisation for his first GGG bout. And had he won it, rather than the bout being declared a draw, he wouldn’t have accepted the WBC strap.

I’ve also checked the WBC’s own rules and it grants a thirty-day free negotiation period for both parties to agree terms to negotiate, finalize, execute, and file a contract for the bout, with purse bids taking place fifteen days after the expiration of that deadline, which makes the following timelines doubly pertinent:

• 22/01/2016 - Canelo and Golden Boy are legally obliged to attend court for the $27m All-Star Boxing lawsuit, with the date of the hearing scheduled to commence from the 23/05/16 onwards
• 04/05/2016 - The WBC announce the week following the Canelo-Khan bout, there will be a 30-day negotiation period to agree terms for the winner to defend their title against GGG
• 07/05/2016 - Canelo successfully defends his WBC middleweight title by scoring a KO victory over Amir Khan
• 10/05/2016 - The WBC change their mind and formally orders a 15-day deadline for GBP & K2 to come to an agreement for a Canelo-GGG bout, with a purse bid scheduled for the 24/05/16, for a fight to be held by the 17/09/16
• 19/05/2016 - Canelo vacates WBC middleweight title and GGG is formally announced as the new champion
• 23/05/2016 - Canelo and Golden Boy were physically in Florida attending court addressing the $27m All Star Boxing lawsuit
• 13/06/2016 - All-Star Boxing Awarded $8.5m in damages from Canelo

[Counter-puncher]

EO got humiliated and acting like it never happened:

[oogiebe]

EO got humiliated and acting like it never happened:

lmfao! Can't refute that!

[Enlightened-One]

canelo didn’t even fight that may between GGG fights.

In 2018, Canelo served a six-month suspension between the GGG bouts for testing positive for clenbuterol. This was the reason for his inactivity.

The NSAC performed hair follicle tests on Canelo and they came back negative for any traces of clenbuterol. They also conceded that there was no suspicion whatsoever of the Mexican intentionally doping.

The WBC, USADA and WADA (which covers lots of sports, not just boxing) subsequently increased the threshold for testing positive for clenbuterol, because it was deemed impossible to determine whether failed tests were due to ingesting contaminated meat or genuine doping.

They also felt that is was unreasonable to assume that athletes, especially those residing in Mexico and China, could avoid consuming contaminated meat that contained traces of clenbuterol (since that drug isn't globally banned in livestock farming).

Under the new/currently existing policy rules, Canelo would have never tested positive for a banned substance or served a suspension, which means he would have almost certainly engaged in the GGG rematch much earlier.

For the record, Canelo is currently on-track to successfully engage in four super-middleweight bouts (Smith, Yildrim, Saunders & Plant), within a nine-month period, which means his inactivity between both GGG fights was out of his control - he clearly likes to keep himself busy.

[The Gratest]

Ah I thought he was just world champ, by then, my bad. out by a couple of months. As I said, probably too early for him but worse mismatches have been made in my opinion but mabey that’s hindsight.

I think you’ll struggle to name any unbeaten top-five rated pound-for-pounder that blatantly refused to face his mandatory challenger and vacate his title, in preference to engage in a mismatch.

I’m not being funny, but the widespread opinion of the media and fight fans was that GGG facing the likes of Munguia or Martirosyan were mismatches.

People might accuse me of being a “hater”, but those facts I’ve cited are irrefutable.

Have there ever been worse mismatches?

Of course the answer is “yes”, but to vacate a title in order to attempt to orchestrate bouts against a plethora of names that were considered badly overmatched opposition, well that’s just unprecedented.

For sure, you’ll inevitably disagree with me? Because GGG can do no wrong, right?

But think about things for a few minutes, and you’ll eventually realise (even if you flatly-refuse to admit it), the facts I’ve cited are 100% accurate.

The SBNation website stated the following about the NSAC refusing to sanction Munguia as GGG’s opponent:

“While Munguia (28-0, 24 KOs) maintains an undefeated record, the 21-year-old prospect hasn’t fought anyone even close to the level of Golovkin and hasn’t even been in a scheduled 12-rounder to this point. He also campaigns in the division below Golovkin so, yeah, it was pretty clear that he was being lined up to be a crash test dummy in a gross mismatch that was probably more dangerous than the sport inherently is.”

Those aren’t my words. And I can provide more examples of the boxing media detesting the proposed 2018 bout between Munguia and GGG, if you think I’ve merely cherry-picked opinions that adhere to my own.

Canelo vacated wbc mw title to avoid GGG mandatory and fight liam smith instead

Then tested positive for clenbuterol after finally facing GGG.

[margaret thatcher]

EO got humiliated and acting like it never happened:

[gregregegg]

canelo didn’t even fight that may between GGG fights.

In 2018, Canelo served a six-month suspension between the GGG bouts for testing positive for clenbuterol. This was the reason for his inactivity.

The NSAC performed hair follicle tests on Canelo and they came back negative for any traces of clenbuterol. They also conceded that there was no suspicion whatsoever of the Mexican intentionally doping.

The WBC, USADA and WADA (which covers lots of sports, not just boxing) subsequently increased the threshold for testing positive for clenbuterol, because it was deemed impossible to determine whether failed tests were due to ingesting contaminated meat or genuine doping.

They also felt that is was unreasonable to assume that athletes, especially those residing in Mexico and China, could avoid consuming contaminated meat that contained traces of clenbuterol (since that drug isn't globally banned in livestock farming).

Under the new/currently existing policy rules, Canelo would have never tested positive for a banned substance or served a suspension, which means he would have almost certainly engaged in the GGG rematch much earlier.

For the record, Canelo is currently on-track to successfully engage in four super-middleweight bouts (Smith, Yildrim, Saunders & Plant), within a nine-month period, which means his inactivity between both GGG fights was out of his control - he clearly likes to keep himself busy.

So, because canelo tested positive for PEDs, GGG had a tune up, and chose a sub standard opponent for that tune up. and you think this reflects more poorly on GGGs career than Canelos.

[Enlightened-One]

canelo didn’t even fight that may between GGG fights.

In 2018, Canelo served a six-month suspension between the GGG bouts for testing positive for clenbuterol. This was the reason for his inactivity.

The NSAC performed hair follicle tests on Canelo and they came back negative for any traces of clenbuterol. They also conceded that there was no suspicion whatsoever of the Mexican intentionally doping.

The WBC, USADA and WADA (which covers lots of sports, not just boxing) subsequently increased the threshold for testing positive for clenbuterol, because it was deemed impossible to determine whether failed tests were due to ingesting contaminated meat or genuine doping.

They also felt that is was unreasonable to assume that athletes, especially those residing in Mexico and China, could avoid consuming contaminated meat that contained traces of clenbuterol (since that drug isn't globally banned in livestock farming).

Under the new/currently existing policy rules, Canelo would have never tested positive for a banned substance or served a suspension, which means he would have almost certainly engaged in the GGG rematch much earlier.

For the record, Canelo is currently on-track to successfully engage in four super-middleweight bouts (Smith, Yildrim, Saunders & Plant), within a nine-month period, which means his inactivity between both GGG fights was out of his control - he clearly likes to keep himself busy.

So, because canelo tested positive for PEDs, GGG had a tune up, and chose a sub standard opponent for that tune up. and you think this reflects more poorly on GGGs career than Canelos.

The problem, which you perfectly illustrate, is that you’re blaming Canelo for GGG’s poor decisions, as if the Mexican was in complete control over the Kazakh’s career.

Canelo is regularly ridiculed for things that GGG receives free-passes for.

Are you seriously blaming Canelo for GGG trying to orchestrate bouts against Szeremeta, Rolls, Martirosyan, Wade and also trying to make a fight with the small, young and inexperienced Munguia, a past-his-prime iteration of N'Dam, Brandon Adams and the European level fighter known as John Ryder?

Criticise Canelo as much as you like, but FFS, please apply your standards and criticisms consistently!

Either GGG deserves to be held accountable for his actions, or openly admit the fact the man, in your eyes, can do no wrong!