off topic... NUT A WOP... good old zidane !!

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 10 Jul 2006, 18:38

http://tonaz.altervista.org/zidane.html

states · Post by **states** » 10 Jul 2006, 18:46

I think I preferred this (less interactive) clip:

http://www.nutrider.com/files/zidanesf9ee.gif

Raff The Frenchman · Post by **Raff The Frenchman** » 11 Jul 2006, 03:39

we now know why Zidane butted Materazzi , here, the conversation between the 2 :

Zidane : - " Ordinanza de tirare il costume !... " (stop pulling on my shirt)

Materazzi : - " Taciti, enculo, hai solamente cio che merite..." (shut up f***er thats what u diserve)

Zidane: - "si e cio..." (yeah yeah keep talking)

then Zidane walks away but Materazzi keeps coming at him and tells him in his back :

- "meritate tutti ciò, voi gli enculato di musulmani, sporchi terroristici"

(thats what u all diserve you f***ing muslim terrorist f***ers )

thast when Zidane turned back and gave him the head butt...

Italian football not only is covered with corruption, but also known for racism...Italy doesnt diserve the world cup...

Raff The Frenchman · Post by **Raff The Frenchman** » 11 Jul 2006, 03:40

source is british newspaper "The guardian"

BunglesFingers · Post by **BunglesFingers** » 11 Jul 2006, 04:12

The Guardian can make up any story they like but they'll never be able to prove it. Zidane and his agents will no doubt tell their version soon but all Materazzi has to do is deny everything and wave his winners medal in their faces. I'm sure Zidane had heard it all before anyway and he should have known better.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 11 Jul 2006, 04:34

Italian wankers, god I hate them. They should have been barred from the world cup. I think it's slightly shameful for football that a bunch of corrupt cheating greedy bastards get to lift arguably the biggest prize in sport.

Raff The Frenchman · Post by **Raff The Frenchman** » 11 Jul 2006, 04:36

Ding_Ding wrote:The Guardian can make up any story they like but they'll never be able to prove it. Zidane and his agents will no doubt tell their version soon but all Materazzi has to do is deny everything and wave his winners medal in their faces. I'm sure Zidane had heard it all before anyway and he should have known better.

trust me, Zidane would never have butted someone in the final...for free...

E · Post by E » 11 Jul 2006, 04:47

Raff The Frenchman wrote:we now know why Zidane butted Materazzi , here, the conversation between the 2 :

Zidane : - " Ordinanza de tirare il costume !... " (stop pulling on my shirt)

Materazzi : - " Taciti, enculo, hai solamente cio che merite..." (shut up f***er thats what u diserve)

Zidane: - "si e cio..." (yeah yeah keep talking)

then Zidane walks away but Materazzi keeps coming at him and tells him in his back :

- "meritate tutti ciò, voi gli enculato di musulmani, sporchi terroristici"

(thats what u all diserve you f***ing muslim terrorist f***ers )

thast when Zidane turned back and gave him the head butt...

Italian football not only is covered with corruption, but also known for racism...Italy doesnt diserve the world cup...

So what? this is called gamesmanship -the Italian was looking for th ereaction he got. Zidane is a professional footballed long enough to ignore it then go through the correct channels to get Materazzi punished......

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Italian wankers, god I hate them. They should have been barred from the world cup. I think it's slightly shameful for football that a bunch of corrupt cheating greedy bastards get to lift arguably the biggest prize in sport.

This is a bit of a hypocritical racist generalisation wouldn't you think?

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 11 Jul 2006, 04:51

Zidane is no angel, he's been sent off more times than Roy Keane. No matter what Materazzi said you can't excuse the headbutt.

BunglesFingers · Post by **BunglesFingers** » 11 Jul 2006, 04:52

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Italian wankers, god I hate them. They should have been barred from the world cup. I think it's slightly shameful for football that a bunch of corrupt cheating greedy bastards get to lift arguably the biggest prize in sport.

The World Cup (with Blatter running the show), is itself one of the most corrupt sporting events on the planet, second only to the Olympics when it comes to bribery and scandal.

The Italian team shouldn't be blamed for what their club bosses and referees are doing back in the old country.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 11 Jul 2006, 04:54

oh yeah , and i'm glad that Italy won

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 11 Jul 2006, 04:54

E wrote:
Raff The Frenchman wrote:we now know why Zidane butted Materazzi , here, the conversation between the 2 :

Zidane : - " Ordinanza de tirare il costume !... " (stop pulling on my shirt)

Materazzi : - " Taciti, enculo, hai solamente cio che merite..." (shut up f***er thats what u diserve)

Zidane: - "si e cio..." (yeah yeah keep talking)

then Zidane walks away but Materazzi keeps coming at him and tells him in his back :

- "meritate tutti ciò, voi gli enculato di musulmani, sporchi terroristici"

(thats what u all diserve you f***ing muslim terrorist f***ers )

thast when Zidane turned back and gave him the head butt...

Italian football not only is covered with corruption, but also known for racism...Italy doesnt diserve the world cup...

So what? this is called gamesmanship -the Italian was looking for th ereaction he got. Zidane is a professional footballed long enough to ignore it then go through the correct channels to get Materazzi punished......

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Italian wankers, god I hate them. They should have been barred from the world cup. I think it's slightly shameful for football that a bunch of corrupt cheating greedy bastards get to lift arguably the biggest prize in sport.
This is a bit of a hypocritical racist generalisation wouldn't you think?

I'm not talking about the entire Italian nation, but rather their national football team.

Let's not forget that several of the team are implicated in this scandal. And from what reading I've done on the matter, this court case doesn't just involve the club bosses. In order to fix a match you need the compliance of the players also.

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 11 Jul 2006, 05:07

gamesmanship is part and parcel of all top sports, the stars should no better, zidane should have had an answer for it, a funny one that humiliated the italian and made light of what he said..

we have chit chat in the boxing ring

we have sledging at cricket

we have verbals on the football field

its part and parcel, zidane is an arse and has ruined his fabulous legacy, some players are easy to wind up, at all levels, its part and parcel of sport.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 11 Jul 2006, 05:09

As far as i know, its the club officals getting favourable refs for certain games, so far 8 refferes have been implicated in the scandel.
No players have been charged and none were even mentioned in the reports from hundreds of hours of tapped calls that were recorded.

Italian football has always been involved in corruption, whats even more unbelivable in this case , is that no one will face criminal charges.

Raff The Frenchman · Post by **Raff The Frenchman** » 11 Jul 2006, 05:42

since when has racist comments been a parcek of the game???
never! never! never!

by the way the fifa is investigating and Materazzi is about to be sued by an anti racism association.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 11 Jul 2006, 05:54

rhino222 wrote:gamesmanship is part and parcel of all top sports, the stars should no better, zidane should have had an answer for it, a funny one that humiliated the italian and made light of what he said..

we have chit chat in the boxing ring

we have sledging at cricket

we have verbals on the football field

its part and parcel, zidane is an arse and has ruined his fabulous legacy, some players are easy to wind up, at all levels, its part and parcel of sport.

It's a real shame. Apparently though Zidane's mother is seriously ill, and it's fairly understandable that if someone called his mother a whore he was unable to control himself.

The sad thing is, Zidane was the one guy who could have been relied upon to take a penalty and he wasn't there when it mattered.

I guess I am trying to find a way to excuse Zidane. :(

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 11 Jul 2006, 05:56

Italian football is well known for it's racist undertones, and if he did call him an arab terrorist or similar, then I hope they throw the book at him, I find racism deplorable, especially when it comes from the mouth of a greasy whop bastard....

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 11 Jul 2006, 06:04

So we have the papers saying he called Zidane a 'arab terrorist'.
And the french team were saying that Materazzi insulted Zidanes mother.

Well someone isn't telling the truth then, why doesn't Zidane say what happened.

Might be waiting for the right offer to come along first.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 11 Jul 2006, 06:07

I've a feeling that Zidane won't reveal what was said. I think what was said might have been a combination of the two along the lines of 'you son of an arab whore terrorist'

Thing is, Zidane is a berber, not an arab.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 11 Jul 2006, 06:13

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I've a feeling that Zidane won't reveal what was said. I think what was said might have been a combination of the two along the lines of 'you son of an arab whore terrorist'

Thing is, Zidane is a berber, not an arab.

Well if he did get called an arab terrorist, then it shows what most racist comments are, mis-informed rubbish.

For all that Zidane is lucky that he's french, as they seem to have forgiven and forgotton all ready.
Imagine if Zidane was english, he would have been getting loads of shit from people.

BunglesFingers · Post by **BunglesFingers** » 11 Jul 2006, 07:02

Just out of interest, has any footballer or other sportsman ever been charged with making racists comments with only a lip readers interpretation as evidence?
By the way, there have already been two different versions given by lip readers, with surely many more to follow. We will probably only hear about the ones that makes the best headlines.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 11 Jul 2006, 07:13

'Son of a terrorist whore' seems to be the most common interpretation from the various lip readers.

Matarazzi denies this of course, but italian cursing seems to be very common amongst italians, so I don't find it hard to believe.

Thing is, it's going to be very hard to prove from lip reading, and it's probably not admissable as evidence as it is open to interpretation.

Thing that is annoying is that technically, Zindane should not have been sent off, as it was the fourth official who saw the headbutt, and the referee does not have the authority to suspend someone from play on video evidence. I know this is splitting hairs, but technically he should never have been sent off.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 11 Jul 2006, 07:45

Allez zizou!!!!

after all the anti racism effort, if MM did say this he should be banned for a lengthy time!!!

We are all sitting here judging ZZ but everyone has a breaking point... he may be the greatest footballer of his generation but he is also a human being......

Anyway he hasnt diminished his legacy one bit in my eyes, he just lost the opportunity to further his legacy with another WC win!!!!

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 11 Jul 2006, 07:53

jamesmcdonnell wrote: Thing that is annoying is that technically, Zindane should not have been sent off, as it was the fourth official who saw the headbutt, and the referee does not have the authority to suspend someone from play on video evidence. I know this is splitting hairs, but technically he should never have been sent off.

The forth offical has put out a statement that he didn't see it on the video screen , but saw it happen live.
The referee stated that he wanted things to die down a bit before he issued any card, this has happened all through the world cup, look at the Rooney sending off.

As for court cases i can't see anything happening there, If Zidane did take Materazzi to court, then surely Materazzi would try and prosecute Zidane for assault, and he would stand a better chance of winning as the video evidence is damning against Zidane.

Also wouldn't any case have to go ahead in Germany as this is where the alledged offenses took place, i'm no expert so wouldn't know if this would happen.

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 11 Jul 2006, 08:19

BERBERS ARE ARABS.
THEY COME FROM MOUNTAIN REGIONS BUT ARE STILL ARABS