Modern Day "All-Time Heavyweight" Tournament

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 13 Jul 2006, 05:57

In light of the Superfight dvd coming out and with the upcoming Rocky Balboa movie being slightly based on this 1969 computer-fight, and of course, with all boxing fans wondering 'What If?' we are going to have a modern day Heavyweight tournament, with not only your votes and opinions to be in consideration, but with Title Boxing, a computer fight game based on BoxRec.com's record data in a best two out of three matches, we're going to see who is the All-Time Heavyweight champion.

The following men will be broken down into two groups: brawlers and boxers; brawlers vs brawlers etc so the top men from each tournament will go up against eachother---as they say styles make fights! The winner of course will be crowned the champion.

So here is the best of the brawlers/punchers (in my view): *

Jack Dempsey
Rocky Marciano
George Foreman
Max Baer
Joe Louis
James J. Jefferies
John L. Sullivan
Ingemar Johansson
Sonny Liston
Mike Tyson

Best of The Boxers/Tacticians: *

Ezzard Charles
Jersey Joe Walcott
Muhammad Ali
Gene Tunney
Lennox Lewis
Larry Holmes
James J. Corbett
Max Schmeling
Jack Johnson
Jack Sharkey

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Brawler/Puncher Matches for the first round:

George Foreman vs Max Baer
Mike Tyson vs Sonny Liston
Joe Louis vs Jack Dempsey
John L. Sullivan vs James J. Jefferies
Rocky Marciano vs Ingemar Johansson

Boxer/Tactician Matches for the first round:

Ezzard Charles vs Muhammas Ali
James J. Corbett vs Gene Tunney
Larry Holmes vs Lennox Lewis
Jersey Joe Walcott vs Max Schmeling
Jack Johnson vs Jack Sharkey

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You have til the end of the week to determine your winners and losers in each of these tournaments; I will at the end of the week run the Title Boxing computer program (which can't be as bad as the old NCR315 they used in Murry Woroner's day) in a best two out of three. The winner will move on into the tournament.

At the very end of the tournament, the man who won the entire thing, will be placed into a computer fight with the current champion(s) of the WBC/WBA/IBF/WBO to see how these men would stand today.

* The two tournaments are somewhat uneven in numbers, so after the first round Joe Frazier will be tossed into the brawler tournament, as will Micheal Spinks in the stylist tournament.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 13 Jul 2006, 06:01

IRM

Do you mean Title Bout the old card game recently put onto the computer?

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 13 Jul 2006, 06:20

No this is a computer game where you can chose fighters from any era, and put in information concerning their training, whether it was a long lay off, etc and place them into either 12 or 15 round fights, and the computer determines who wins these fights.

Never heard of a card game.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 13 Jul 2006, 06:22

IrishRufusMurphy wrote:No this is a computer game where you can chose fighters from any era, and put in information concerning their training, whether it was a long lay off, etc and place them into either 12 or 15 round fights, and the computer determines who wins these fights.

Never heard of a card game.

It's a computer game now, but it used to be a card game. You have fighters from all eras and all divisions rated.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 13 Jul 2006, 06:36

oh lol well....as I stated before, can't be no worse off than the old NCR-315 computer that Woroner used. Besides it's two out of three, and the people's opinions, as well as the game will be the deciding factors in this tournament.

Here's my picks for each tournament:

George Foreman vs Max Baer
Mike Tyson vs Sonny Liston
Joe Louis vs Jack Dempsey
John L. Sullivan vs James J. Jefferies
Rocky Marciano vs Ingemar Johansson

Ezzard Charles vs Muhammas Ali
James J. Corbett vs Gene Tunney
Larry Holmes vs Lennox Lewis
Jersey Joe Walcott vs Max Schmeling
Jack Johnson vs Jack Sharkey

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 13 Jul 2006, 06:52

IrishRufusMurphy wrote:oh lol well....as I stated before, can't be no worse off than the old NCR-315 computer that Woroner used. Besides it's two out of three, and the people's opinions, as well as the game will be the deciding factors in this tournament.

Agree, can't be any worse. I loved the game when I was younger.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 13 Jul 2006, 06:54

George Foreman WKO 5 Max Baer
Mike Tyson LTKO 10 Sonny Liston
Joe Louis WTKO 14 Jack Dempsey
John L. Sullivan LTKO 13 James J. Jefferies
Rocky Marciano WKO 4 Ingemar Johansson

Ezzard Charles WSD 15 Muhammas Ali
James J. Corbett LSD 15 Gene Tunney
Larry Holmes WUD 15 Lennox Lewis
Jersey Joe Walcott WSD 15 Max Schmeling
Jack Johnson WUD 15 Jack Sharkey

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 13 Jul 2006, 13:28

so far...

2-0 Foreman
2-0 Tyson
1-1 Draw Louis/Dempsey
1-1 Draw Sullivan/Jefferies
2-0 Marciano

1-1 Draw Charles/Ali
1-1 Draw Corbett/Tunney
1-1 Draw Holmes/Lewis
2-0 Walcott
2-0 Johnson

keep the votes coming

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 14 Jul 2006, 04:23

IrishRufusMurphy wrote:so far...

2-0 Foreman
2-0 Tyson
1-1 Draw Louis/Dempsey
1-1 Draw Sullivan/Jefferies
2-0 Marciano

1-1 Draw Charles/Ali
1-1 Draw Corbett/Tunney
1-1 Draw Holmes/Lewis
2-0 Walcott
2-0 Johnson

keep the votes coming

Tyson should be 1-1

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 14 Jul 2006, 07:20

George Foreman vs Max Baer Foreman KO 5 Baer
Mike Tyson vs Sonny Liston Tyson KO 4 Liston
Joe Louis vs Jack Dempsey Louis KO 13 Dempsey
John L. Sullivan vs James J. Jefferies Jeffries SD Sullivan
Rocky Marciano vs Ingemar Johansson Marciano KO 6 Johansson

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Ezzard Charles vs Muhammas Ali Ali UD Charles
James J. Corbett vs Gene Tunney Tunney UD Corbett
Larry Holmes vs Lennox Lewis Holmes KO 11 Lewis
Jersey Joe Walcott vs Max Schmeling Walcott SD Schmeling
Jack Johnson vs Jack Sharkey Johnson UD Sharkey

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 14 Jul 2006, 07:27

George Foreman TKO5 Max Baer
Sonny Liston TKO10 Mike Tyson
Joe Louis KO 3 Jack Dempsey
James J. Jefferies SD15 John L. Sullivan
Rocky Marciano KO2 Ingemar Johansson

Muhammas Ali SD15 Ezzard Charles
Gene Tunney UD15 James J. Corbett
Larry Holmes TKO9 Lennox Lewis
Jersey Joe Walcott UD15 Max Schmeling
Jack Johnson KO5 Jack Sharkey

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 14 Jul 2006, 08:01

Foreman KO5 Baer
Liston KO10 Tyson
Louis KO8 Dempsey
Jeffries KO13 Sullivan
Marciano KO4 Johannson
Ali KO 13 Charles
Tunney Dec Corbett
Holmes Dec Lewis
Walcott Close Decision over Schmeling
Johnson easy Decison over Sharkey

I'm surprised that The Great John L picked Jeffries over Sullivan.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 14 Jul 2006, 08:16

Ambling Alp wrote: I'm surprised that The Great John L picked Jeffries over Sullivan.

Based on a 15 round fight, the advantage has to lie with Jeff who was much more experienced with longer gloved fights. While John L fought a lot of gloved matches, they were all pretty much 6 rounds or less. He did fight a number of long grueling bare knuckle fights, but that experience wouldn’t have helped much in this matchup.

Of course, in his prime John L was quick and hit very hard, but Jeff had one of the ATG chins, so it is unlikely that John L would have been able to stop him. I would see this fight being controlled by John L early as he is able to reach Jeff consistently. But as the fight progresses, because he didn’t pace himself, John L tires and Jeff takes over to win a close decision.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 14 Jul 2006, 10:37

Scores are now:

5-0 Foreman
3-2 Liston
4-1 Louis
4-1 Jefferies
5-0 Marciano

4-1 Ali
4-1 Tunney
4-1 Holmes
5-0 Walcott
5-0 Johnson

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 14 Jul 2006, 11:27

Foreman KO 4 Baer
Tyson KO 4 Liston
Louis WUD 15 Dempsey
Jeffries KO 8 Sullivan
Marciano KO 3 Johansson
Ali KO 6 Charles
Tunney WUD 15 Corbett
Holmes WUD 15 Lewis
Schmeling WUD 15 Walcott
Johnson KO 11 Sharkey

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 14 Jul 2006, 16:12

Ezzard Charles WSD 15 Muhammas Ali

wow ezzard,

charles over ali?? interesting pick. i think ali at his peak beats charles. i think walcott matches up better vs ali than charles espcially since walcott has that left hook.

my picks

walcott 15 split schmeling
johnson 15 unanimous sharkey
liston TKO 8 tyson
foreman TKO 5 baer
ingemar johannsen KO 1 marciano- one right hand knocks marciano out cold face first. rockys legs quiver as he is unconsious on the canvas. rocky is way overmatched. he couldnt handle a young powerful slugger like a ingo. rocky needed the guy to be 35 + in age
louis KO 3 dempsey
holmes TKO 15 lennox
jeffries KO 12 sullivan
tunney 15 unanimous corbett

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 14 Jul 2006, 16:48

I am surprised u said that Brockton, considering this is a prime vs prime tournament...

scores are now:

7-0 Foreman
6-1 Louis
4-3 Liston
6-1 Marciano
6-1 Jefferies

7-0 Johnson
6-1 Walcott
5-2 Ali
7-0 Holmes
7-0 Tunney

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 14 Jul 2006, 22:54

Okies....

I know I said a week...but judging from the outcomes so far...i dont really think it will make much of a difference...the only fight that was really debatable was Liston vs Tyson...so I'll have the computer determine that fight

So....will come back to u all with the results of the computer 2 outta 3 on Liston vs Tyson...so far Liston is in the lead, but it's pretty much a toss up.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 15 Jul 2006, 00:42

The computer says...based on each men's over-all careers, in a 15 3-min round fight, that in a 2 out of three probability that...

Mike Tyson would be triumphant over Sonny Liston

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Will set up the second round of this computer/vote tournament 8)

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 15 Jul 2006, 00:52

SECOND ROUND OF THE MODERN-DAY ALL-TIME HEAVYWEIGHT TOURNAMENT

Joe Louis vs George Foreman
Rocky Marciano vs Jim Jefferies
Tyson vs Joe Frazier*

Muhammad Ali vs Jack Johnson
Larry Holmes vs Joe Walcott
Gene Tunney vs Micheal Spinks*

*These men are added to the tournament

My Picks:

Joe Louis KO 8th George Foreman
Rocky Marciano W15 Jefferies
Mike Tyson W15 Joe Frazier

Muhammad Ali W15 Jack Johnson
Larry Holmes W15SD Joe Walcott
Gene Tunney W15MD Micheal Spinks

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 15 Jul 2006, 01:00

[quote="IrishRufusMurphy"]SECOND ROUND OF THE MODERN-DAY ALL-TIME HEAVYWEIGHT TOURNAMENT

Joe Louis vs George Foreman
Rocky Marciano vs Jim Jefferies
Tyson vs Joe Frazier*

Muhammad Ali vs Jack Johnson
Larry Holmes vs Joe Walcott
Gene Tunney vs Micheal Spinks*

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 15 Jul 2006, 07:23

Joe Louis vs George Foreman~~~~~Louis KO 10 Foreman
Rocky Marciano vs Jim Jefferies~~~~Marciano KO 7 Jeffries
Tyson vs Joe Frazier~~~~~~~~~~~~Tyson TKO 5 Fraizer

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Muhammad Ali vs Jack Johnson ~~~~~Ali UD Johnson
Larry Holmes vs Joe Walcott ~~~~~~~Holmes UD Walcott
Gene Tunney vs Micheal Spinks~~~~~~Spinks SD Tunney

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 15 Jul 2006, 20:27

So far it is....

3-0 Louis
3-0 Marciano
2-1 Tyson

3-0 Ali
3-0 Holmes
2-1 Tunney

keep on the votes pplz

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 16 Jul 2006, 00:00

IrishRufusMurphy wrote:I am surprised u said that Brockton, considering this is a prime vs prime tournament...

scores are now:

7-0 Foreman
6-1 Louis
4-3 Liston
6-1 Marciano
6-1 Jefferies

7-0 Johnson
6-1 Walcott
5-2 Ali
7-0 Holmes
7-0 Tunney

o in case u didnt realize it irishmurphy i was joking.

a peak marciano slaughters ingo

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 16 Jul 2006, 00:01

My Picks:

Joe Louis KO 8th George Foreman
Rocky Marciano W15 Jefferies
Mike Tyson W15 Joe Frazier

Muhammad Ali W15 Jack Johnson
Larry Holmes W15SD Joe Walcott
Gene Tunney W15MD Micheal Spinks

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louis KO 5 foreman
marciano 15 unanimous jeffries
tyson TKO 3 frazier
ali TKO 13 johnson
holmes 15 maj walcott
tunney 15 unanimous spinx

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