Prime Joe Louis vs. a prime Joe Frazier?

[DrDuke]

you brought up the statistics. You continued to bring up statistics, asking how many fights that Louis was knocked down in.
When I brought up the stats that favored Louis, all of a sudden the stats didn't mean anything to you! Oogiebe noticed it as well. Anyone can go back and check it.

I asked you for more stats only because you brought up the ones you like. Well, you and your henchman.

As for Frazier being stopped by Ali- Yourself. You were factually wrong and I called you on it. First Frazier was literally never stopped. He was. Then you claim only Foreman did it. Again, not true. It is a fact that Frazier was stopped by Ali.

The point was, that Frazier had never been out. Are you really that dumb not to understand that? It should have been easier than evaluating stats.

Henchman? LMFAO! Your butt must be stung to shit.
Keep moving the goalposts. So now Frazier was never 'out.' C'mon Duke.

It seems, it is your one that hurt, as you lmfaoing around here instead of replying in regard of, bruh.

Better tell us your anecdote about when Frazier was out.

[oogiebe]

I asked you for more stats only because you brought up the ones you like. Well, you and your henchman.

The point was, that Frazier had never been out. Are you really that dumb not to understand that? It should have been easier than evaluating stats.

Henchman? LMFAO! Your butt must be stung to shit.
Keep moving the goalposts. So now Frazier was never 'out.' C'mon Duke.

It seems, it is your one that hurt, as you lmfaoing around here instead of replying in regard of, bruh.

Better tell us your anecdote about when Frazier was out.

I'm laughing at your obvious pivot from your original point. Very clear to all.

[DrDuke]

Henchman? LMFAO! Your butt must be stung to shit.
Keep moving the goalposts. So now Frazier was never 'out.' C'mon Duke.

It seems, it is your one that hurt, as you lmfaoing around here instead of replying in regard of, bruh.

Better tell us your anecdote about when Frazier was out.

I'm laughing at your obvious pivot from your original point. Very clear to all.

So, no anecdote about Frazier being out?

[Ambling Alp II]

He never said he was. You were the one who said that Frazier has literally never been stopped. He was stopped three times.

[oogiebe]

He never said he was. You were the one who said that Frazier has literally never been stopped. He was stopped three times.

No no Alp, remember he has changed that to out cold.

[DrDuke]

He never said he was. You were the one who said that Frazier has literally never been stopped. He was stopped three times.

And he wasn't literally stopped. He was stopped technically for those times.

[DrDuke]

He never said he was. You were the one who said that Frazier has literally never been stopped. He was stopped three times.

No no Alp, remember he has changed that to out cold.

Here goes the henchman. I didn't change anything, cause that was my initial point. If you don't get it, that's your problem.

[Ambling Alp II]

He never said he was. You were the one who said that Frazier has literally never been stopped. He was stopped three times.

And he wasn't literally stopped. He was stopped technically for those times.

[elmersalsa]

Would Smokin' Joe's pressure won't be much for the Brown Bomber?

Watch for a Louis' uppercut. It could change the outcome of the fight.

[DrDuke]

He never said he was. You were the one who said that Frazier has literally never been stopped. He was stopped three times.

And he wasn't literally stopped. He was stopped technically for those times.

Are you degraded enough not to differ KO and TKO?

[Ambling Alp II]

You aren't using correct terminology.

If a fighter loses because the referee stopped the fight, or if his corner would not let him continue, then he was indeed stopped. Literally stopped.

In fact when someone says Fighter A stopped Fighter B, it is usually because either the referee stopped it or Fighter B's corner stopped it.
You do not have have a 10-count for a fighter to be stopped.

[BoxBuzz]

You aren't using correct terminology.

If a fighter loses because the referee stopped the fight, or if his corner would not let him continue, then he was indeed stopped. Literally stopped.

In fact when someone says Fighter A stopped Fighter B, it is usually because either the referee stopped it or Fighter B's corner stopped it.
You do not have have a 10-count for a fighter to be stopped.

Dog gone right!

[oogiebe]

He never said he was. You were the one who said that Frazier has literally never been stopped. He was stopped three times.

No no Alp, remember he has changed that to out cold.

Here goes the henchman. I didn't change anything, cause that was my initial point. If you don't get it, that's your problem.

Hey, I'm not the one who changed your argument. You did. Calling me a henchman doesn't change what you posted. Sorry Duke.

[oogiebe]

He never said he was. You were the one who said that Frazier has literally never been stopped. He was stopped three times.

And he wasn't literally stopped. He was stopped technically for those times.

Hey Alp. Who was that fighter that got 'figuratively' stopped the most?

[DrDuke]

No no Alp, remember he has changed that to out cold.

Here goes the henchman. I didn't change anything, cause that was my initial point. If you don't get it, that's your problem.

Hey, I'm not the one who changed your argument. You did. Calling me a henchman doesn't change what you posted. Sorry Duke.

Of course, you're Alpy's henchman, as you always appear to support his ravings passionately.

[oogiebe]

Here goes the henchman. I didn't change anything, cause that was my initial point. If you don't get it, that's your problem.

Hey, I'm not the one who changed your argument. You did. Calling me a henchman doesn't change what you posted. Sorry Duke.

Of course, you're Alpy's henchman, as you always appear to support his ravings passionately.

Rarely, but nice try on deflecting your moving goalposts. If you'd like I can post a summary of your comments on first; the number of knockdowns by each of these fighters and then; the number of fights each fighter got knocked down in; to then being stopped, but oh yeah, make that stopped cold. And finally, stopped literally.

If I'm not mistaken (and I'm not) that is what we were debating on prior to you resorting to name calling. So what'll it be sir?

[margaret thatcher]

f@ck louis vs frazier, it's an entertaining war in this thread between boxrec legends

[oogiebe]

f@ck louis vs frazier, it's an entertaining war in this thread between boxrec legends

[DrDuke]

Hey, I'm not the one who changed your argument. You did. Calling me a henchman doesn't change what you posted. Sorry Duke.

Of course, you're Alpy's henchman, as you always appear to support his ravings passionately.

Rarely, but nice try on deflecting your moving goalposts. If you'd like I can post a summary of your comments on first; the number of knockdowns by each of these fighters and then; the number of fights each fighter got knocked down in; to then being stopped, but oh yeah, make that stopped cold. And finally, stopped literally.

If I'm not mistaken (and I'm not) that is what we were debating on prior to you resorting to name calling. So what'll it be sir?

And how to determine, whose chin is better, if not to look, how fighters take punches agaist other fighters? The element of statistics is inevitable in this case. But everything has its limits. When it goes to percents and etc, it's over the top. So, stop trying to convict me in supporting the usage of stats and then going against the usage of stats, cause those attemps of yours are only the waste of time.

[DrDuke]

f@ck louis vs frazier, it's an entertaining war in this thread between boxrec legends

[oogiebe]

Of course, you're Alpy's henchman, as you always appear to support his ravings passionately.

Rarely, but nice try on deflecting your moving goalposts. If you'd like I can post a summary of your comments on first; the number of knockdowns by each of these fighters and then; the number of fights each fighter got knocked down in; to then being stopped, but oh yeah, make that stopped cold. And finally, stopped literally.

If I'm not mistaken (and I'm not) that is what we were debating on prior to you resorting to name calling. So what'll it be sir?

And how to determine, whose chin is better, if not to look, how fighters take punches agaist other fighters? The element of statistics is inevitable in this case. But everything has its limits. When it goes to percents and etc, it's over the top. So, stop trying to convict me in supporting the usage of stats and then going against the usage of stats, cause those attemps of yours are only the waste of time.

LOL!!! I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I couldn't care less what you think. I'm just calling out your BS about changing the goal posts. Especially since you began the whole counting of knockdowns/stoppages/out colds/literal stoppages. For the record, I'd say Frazier was able to take more punishment as it was his style to be able to take it while boring in. To me that was easy to see. Your arguments weren't.

[DrDuke]

Rarely, but nice try on deflecting your moving goalposts. If you'd like I can post a summary of your comments on first; the number of knockdowns by each of these fighters and then; the number of fights each fighter got knocked down in; to then being stopped, but oh yeah, make that stopped cold. And finally, stopped literally.

If I'm not mistaken (and I'm not) that is what we were debating on prior to you resorting to name calling. So what'll it be sir?

And how to determine, whose chin is better, if not to look, how fighters take punches agaist other fighters? The element of statistics is inevitable in this case. But everything has its limits. When it goes to percents and etc, it's over the top. So, stop trying to convict me in supporting the usage of stats and then going against the usage of stats, cause those attemps of yours are only the waste of time.

LOL!!! I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I couldn't care less what you think. I'm just calling out your BS about changing the goal posts. Especially since you began the whole counting of knockdowns/stoppages/out colds/literal stoppages. For the record, I'd say Frazier was able to take more punishment as it was his style to be able to take it while boring in. To me that was easy to see. Your arguments weren't.

Hmm, not trying to convince of anything, but continuing to respond.

And, again, how to determine it? You see fighter A getting decked 10 times against different fighters, you see fighter B taking all punishment against 9 fighters and then getting decked 8 times against 1 fighter. The stats tells here eveything.

But then there comes some alpy and tells ya, that fighter A and B are about the same, cause both got decked for almost the same amount of times.

So, no changing goal posts here. Just agreeing with rational evidence and disagreeing with the misleading stats.

[oogiebe]

And how to determine, whose chin is better, if not to look, how fighters take punches agaist other fighters? The element of statistics is inevitable in this case. But everything has its limits. When it goes to percents and etc, it's over the top. So, stop trying to convict me in supporting the usage of stats and then going against the usage of stats, cause those attemps of yours are only the waste of time.

LOL!!! I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I couldn't care less what you think. I'm just calling out your BS about changing the goal posts. Especially since you began the whole counting of knockdowns/stoppages/out colds/literal stoppages. For the record, I'd say Frazier was able to take more punishment as it was his style to be able to take it while boring in. To me that was easy to see. Your arguments weren't.

Hmm, not trying to convince of anything, but continuing to respond.

And, again, how to determine it? You see fighter A getting decked 10 times against different fighters, you see fighter B taking all punishment against 9 fighters and then getting decked 8 times against 1 fighter. The stats tells here eveything.

But then there comes some alpy and tells ya, that fighter A and B are about the same, cause both got decked for almost the same amount of times.

So, no changing goal posts here. Just agreeing with rational evidence and disagreeing with the misleading stats.

Yup. Continuing to respond. In a boxing forum where discussions and debates occur. Very strange.

[Onetimeonly]

Frazier was dropped in one of his first few fights too. The majority of Louis's knock downs were of the flash variety. I'd give Frazier a slight chin advantage but that compact right off the jab and inside the hook always gets me in this one. Louis tko 11.

[985802]

Louis was every bit as tough as Frazier.

No, he wasn't. He was floored frequently. He was KOed not once, including when he was in prime. Frazier stood up 6 times against Foreman. Frazier has never been literally stopped.

Where did you get that lie joe was as tough as Frazier from wasnt close nobody joe fought hit as hard as a Oscar or george

Joe would never be able to get up from those shots from those 2 like Frazier