Seamus, I just saw you had watched this fight some time back. I do agree with your assessment on the fight. Blanco was in there giving it one helluva try.Seamus wrote: ↑09 Oct 2013, 08:24 Counterpuncher
That's about the way I'd see it to, prime vs prime, Chang probably wins by 3 pts.
I heard in the past that Yuh may have gotten a couple hometown decisions, but haven't seen the fights. I recently watched his title defense against Rodolfo Blanco and was pretty surprised by the scores at the time of the stoppage. The judges had Yuh ahead by 6-3-1 pts. Up until that time, I thought Blanco was giving a very good account of himself.
Did you manage to see Chang V Zapata I ? I mentioned it in another recent post as a horrible decision.
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After watching the Yuh v Blanco fight recently, I must admit that I was intrigued with Blanco's style so I checked around on the tube and saw the Dave McAuley fights were available. Here is the first fight between the champ Dave McAuley and Rodolfo Blanco.
Round 1: 10-9 McAuley
Round 2: 10-7 Blanco (scores 2 knockdowns)
Round 3: 10-8 Blanco (scores a knockdown)
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 McAuley
Round 6: 10-9 McAuley
Round 7: 10-9 McAuley
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-8 McAuley (scores a knockdown)
Round 10: 10-9 Blanco
Round 11: 10-8 Blanco (scores a knockdown)
Round 12: 10-10 Even
Total: 114-112 Blanco (actual scores: 117-113, 113-111 and 115-110 all for McAuley)
Great fight but needless to say, I was stunned by these scores. I was a big fan of McAuley's but that doesn't enter into scoring a fight. I call them the way I see them. Perhaps the Belfast crowd was that intimidating.
Round 1: 10-9 McAuley
Round 2: 10-7 Blanco (scores 2 knockdowns)
Round 3: 10-8 Blanco (scores a knockdown)
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 McAuley
Round 6: 10-9 McAuley
Round 7: 10-9 McAuley
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-8 McAuley (scores a knockdown)
Round 10: 10-9 Blanco
Round 11: 10-8 Blanco (scores a knockdown)
Round 12: 10-10 Even
Total: 114-112 Blanco (actual scores: 117-113, 113-111 and 115-110 all for McAuley)
Great fight but needless to say, I was stunned by these scores. I was a big fan of McAuley's but that doesn't enter into scoring a fight. I call them the way I see them. Perhaps the Belfast crowd was that intimidating.
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After viewing the first fight between Dave McAuley and Rodolfo Blanco, which was a great fight, I had to check out the rematch. And let me say, I don't think these two could get together and it wouldn't be a great fight.
Dave McAuley v Rodolfo Blanco II
Round 1: 10-9 McAuley
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 McAuley
Round 4: 10-9 Blanco
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Blanco
Round 7: 10-9 Blanco
Round 8: 10-9 Blanco
Round 9: 10-8 McAuley (Blanco loses a point for a low blow)
Round 10: 10-9 McAuley
Round 11: 10-9 Blanco
Round 12: 10-10 Even
Total: 115-115 Draw (actual scores: 115-112, 114-113 and 114-113 all for Blanco)
In their first fight I felt Blanco did enough to take the title, but this time around I had them neck and neck. I will say, however, that if I scored this again I'm sure I would have a different score. Every round was so closely contested that I was giving the combatants rounds by a shade. Good fight.
Dave McAuley v Rodolfo Blanco II
Round 1: 10-9 McAuley
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 McAuley
Round 4: 10-9 Blanco
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Blanco
Round 7: 10-9 Blanco
Round 8: 10-9 Blanco
Round 9: 10-8 McAuley (Blanco loses a point for a low blow)
Round 10: 10-9 McAuley
Round 11: 10-9 Blanco
Round 12: 10-10 Even
Total: 115-115 Draw (actual scores: 115-112, 114-113 and 114-113 all for Blanco)
In their first fight I felt Blanco did enough to take the title, but this time around I had them neck and neck. I will say, however, that if I scored this again I'm sure I would have a different score. Every round was so closely contested that I was giving the combatants rounds by a shade. Good fight.
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Watched a couple of the Korean big boys recently. Saw bits and pieces over the years and read diligently on them so I had a mental picture of how they fought. But here we go.
Chong Pal Park v Fully Obel I
This was a 10 rounder between 2 of the WBA's favorite sons. And by that I mean South Korea and Venezuela. Obel had already been pushed into a title fight with Marvin Hagler and was on his way to a rematch by WBA edict. Something Hagler didn't take too kindly too and took it out on Obel's face and body. Anyways, Obel dropped Park in the first round, Park took a share of the 2nd and all others to Obel before it was stopped in the 8th with Park down again and spent. Obel showed a very sharp jab and got braver as the fight continued. Although Park did try to time Obel's jab with an overhand right, his style was swing from the fences and hope to catch Obel with a haymaker. My score through 7 rounds was 70-63 for Obel.
In Chul Baek v Christophe Tiozzo
Again, remarkable on the lack of talent by the Korean. Anything above featherweight really is not their forte. It almost appeared to be a badge of honor not to duck anything coming Baek's way. At one point in the 4th Tiozzo caught Baek with an overhand right, then repeated it, then repeated it. This is a sucker punch and there was absolutely no defense for it. Tiozzo dropped Baek in the 2nd and 3rd and treated him rudely until it was stopped in the 6th. My score and the score of the 3 judges were the same. All of us had it 50-43 through 5 rounds. Very disappointing to see the same game plan. Swing from the fences and hope to catch the opponent with a haymaker. Baek and Park could bang, which obviously was where any success came from. But these two were lucky there was a WBA and a newly created super-middleweight division. Because no one would ever have heard about them outside their local towns back in the day.
Chong Pal Park v Fully Obel I
This was a 10 rounder between 2 of the WBA's favorite sons. And by that I mean South Korea and Venezuela. Obel had already been pushed into a title fight with Marvin Hagler and was on his way to a rematch by WBA edict. Something Hagler didn't take too kindly too and took it out on Obel's face and body. Anyways, Obel dropped Park in the first round, Park took a share of the 2nd and all others to Obel before it was stopped in the 8th with Park down again and spent. Obel showed a very sharp jab and got braver as the fight continued. Although Park did try to time Obel's jab with an overhand right, his style was swing from the fences and hope to catch Obel with a haymaker. My score through 7 rounds was 70-63 for Obel.
In Chul Baek v Christophe Tiozzo
Again, remarkable on the lack of talent by the Korean. Anything above featherweight really is not their forte. It almost appeared to be a badge of honor not to duck anything coming Baek's way. At one point in the 4th Tiozzo caught Baek with an overhand right, then repeated it, then repeated it. This is a sucker punch and there was absolutely no defense for it. Tiozzo dropped Baek in the 2nd and 3rd and treated him rudely until it was stopped in the 6th. My score and the score of the 3 judges were the same. All of us had it 50-43 through 5 rounds. Very disappointing to see the same game plan. Swing from the fences and hope to catch the opponent with a haymaker. Baek and Park could bang, which obviously was where any success came from. But these two were lucky there was a WBA and a newly created super-middleweight division. Because no one would ever have heard about them outside their local towns back in the day.
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In Chul Baek v Ronnie Essett
Not to harp on about this, but these two should have been very grateful for the creation of this sanctioning fee title. In any other previous era they would be 10 round fighters and nothing more. However, that being said, at least they entertained the audience here, which is what a clubfighter should be doing. Here we go.
Round 1: 10-9 Baek
Round 2: 10-9 Baek
Round 3: 10-9 Baek
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Essett
Round 6: 10-9 Baek
Round 7: 10-9 Baek
Round 8: 10-9 Essett
Round 9: 10-9 Baek
Round 10: 10-9 Baek
Round 11: Baek stops Essett
Total through 10 rounds: 98-93 Baek (actual scores: 96-94, 96-95 both for Baek and an unusual 96-95 for Essett)
Clearly I was not as gracious to Essett as the judges. Baek was what he was, pretty much a tear-away. But if you're going to stand in front of him, well, that's very accommodating to him. Essett was a real disappointment for me. I remember him when he started out his career. Man, he had a speed jab and movement that made me think he was going to the top. Well, I didn't see hardly any of that jab until the 5th round. Baek was so tired by the 7th you could see he couldn't even hold his hands up. Yet, Essett still couldn't pull the trigger. Again, at least it was a decent fight.
Not to harp on about this, but these two should have been very grateful for the creation of this sanctioning fee title. In any other previous era they would be 10 round fighters and nothing more. However, that being said, at least they entertained the audience here, which is what a clubfighter should be doing. Here we go.
Round 1: 10-9 Baek
Round 2: 10-9 Baek
Round 3: 10-9 Baek
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Essett
Round 6: 10-9 Baek
Round 7: 10-9 Baek
Round 8: 10-9 Essett
Round 9: 10-9 Baek
Round 10: 10-9 Baek
Round 11: Baek stops Essett
Total through 10 rounds: 98-93 Baek (actual scores: 96-94, 96-95 both for Baek and an unusual 96-95 for Essett)
Clearly I was not as gracious to Essett as the judges. Baek was what he was, pretty much a tear-away. But if you're going to stand in front of him, well, that's very accommodating to him. Essett was a real disappointment for me. I remember him when he started out his career. Man, he had a speed jab and movement that made me think he was going to the top. Well, I didn't see hardly any of that jab until the 5th round. Baek was so tired by the 7th you could see he couldn't even hold his hands up. Yet, Essett still couldn't pull the trigger. Again, at least it was a decent fight.
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Mike Tyson vs Frans Botha
1: Botha 10-9
2: Botha 10-8 (Tyson deducted a point)
3: Botha 10-9
4: Botha 10-9
5: Tyson KO
Before the stoppage: Botha 40-35
Tyson's comeback after the Holyfield losses. Tyson appeared significantly declined, he was trying to be an aggressor and was missing a lot. Botha was mocking Tyson, dodging his punches with hands down, outlanding Tyson. Tyson was frustrated, he initiated a lot of clinches, he tried to grab and break Botha's arms, for what he was deducted a point. Botha also was quite dirty inside, but he was clearly outboxing Tyson. Anyway, Botha tired by the 5th, he became slower both in action and reaction. Botha swinged wild at the end of the 5th, Tyson countered it with a deadly one-two. This was a pure KO.
1: Botha 10-9
2: Botha 10-8 (Tyson deducted a point)
3: Botha 10-9
4: Botha 10-9
5: Tyson KO
Before the stoppage: Botha 40-35
Tyson's comeback after the Holyfield losses. Tyson appeared significantly declined, he was trying to be an aggressor and was missing a lot. Botha was mocking Tyson, dodging his punches with hands down, outlanding Tyson. Tyson was frustrated, he initiated a lot of clinches, he tried to grab and break Botha's arms, for what he was deducted a point. Botha also was quite dirty inside, but he was clearly outboxing Tyson. Anyway, Botha tired by the 5th, he became slower both in action and reaction. Botha swinged wild at the end of the 5th, Tyson countered it with a deadly one-two. This was a pure KO.
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Frans Botha vs Shannon Briggs
1: Botha 10-9
2: Briggs 10-9
3: Botha 10-9
4: Botha 10-9
5: Botha 10-9
6: Briggs 10-9
7: Botha 10-9
8: Briggs 10-8 (Botha down)
9: Briggs 10-9
10: Botha 10-9
Total score: Botha 95-94
Briggs was again saved by the judges there. Actually, the fight was good, with action and competition, but Botha won it even despite being down. Botha outboxed Briggs majorly with jabs, rights and one-twos.
1: Botha 10-9
2: Briggs 10-9
3: Botha 10-9
4: Botha 10-9
5: Botha 10-9
6: Briggs 10-9
7: Botha 10-9
8: Briggs 10-8 (Botha down)
9: Briggs 10-9
10: Botha 10-9
Total score: Botha 95-94
Briggs was again saved by the judges there. Actually, the fight was good, with action and competition, but Botha won it even despite being down. Botha outboxed Briggs majorly with jabs, rights and one-twos.
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Shannon Briggs v Frans BothaDrDuke wrote: ↑26 Dec 2020, 10:04 Frans Botha vs Shannon Briggs
1: Botha 10-9
2: Briggs 10-9
3: Botha 10-9
4: Botha 10-9
5: Botha 10-9
6: Briggs 10-9
7: Botha 10-9
8: Briggs 10-8 (Botha down)
9: Briggs 10-9
10: Botha 10-9
Total score: Botha 95-94
Briggs was again saved by the judges there. Actually, the fight was good, with action and competition, but Botha won it even despite being down. Botha outboxed Briggs majorly with jabs, rights and one-twos.
Round 1: 10-9 Briggs
Round 2: 10-9 Briggs
Round 3: 10-9 Botha
Round 4: 10-9 Botha
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Briggs
Round 7: 10-9 Botha
Round 8: 10-8 Briggs (scores a knockdown)
Round 9: 10-9 Botha
Round 10: 10-8 Botha (Botha gives Briggs a going over)
Total: 95-94 Botha (actual scores: 95-92 for Botha and 2 scores of 94-94 for a majority Draw)
Duke, we had a few rounds different but ended up with the same score, nevertheless. Let me tell ya, there was some huffing and puffing but these two put on a show. A controversial draw, but I only had Botha pulling it out in the 10th with a big round, so I wasn't too bothered by the draw. I will say, however, that Botha won his rounds bigger than Briggs won his, which is likely why the controversy. It was amazing how Briggs had absolutely no defense or idea on what to do with that overhand right. Again, an entertaining fight.
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Yeah, Botha's success was manifested in a more noticeable fashion than Briggs' one, although Briggs managed to score a KD. Ironically, Briggs was bigger, stronger, faster and more fluid, but he just had a poor arsenal and awful defense, while Botha's jabs, rights and one-twos were polished enough. Steward was mad at Briggs in the corner.scartissue wrote: ↑26 Dec 2020, 10:27 Duke, we had a few rounds different but ended up with the same score, nevertheless. Let me tell ya, there was some huffing and puffing but these two put on a show. A controversial draw, but I only had Botha pulling it out in the 10th with a big round, so I wasn't too bothered by the draw. I will say, however, that Botha won his rounds bigger than Briggs won his, which is likely why the controversy. It was amazing how Briggs had absolutely no defense or idea on what to do with that overhand right. Again, an entertaining fight.
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Gilberto Roman v Jiro Watanabe
Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Watanabe
Round 4: 10-9 Roman
Round 5: 10-9 Roman
Round 6: 10-9 Watanabe
Round 7: 10-9 Roman
Round 8: 10-9 Roman
Round 9: 10-9 Roman
Round 10: 10-10 Even
Round 11: 10-9 Roman
Round 12: 10-10 Even
Total: 118-114 Roman (actual scores: 116-112, 116-112 and 116-114 all for Roman)
Brilliant fight to watch, merciless to score. I always make it hard on myself by taking in every nuance and shift in momentum. It's why sometimes I like just to sit and watch and enjoy rather than score. But nevertheless, almost every round was tight. Roman didn't get his engine going in full throttle until the 4th when he started rolling. But even then, Watanabe could turn a round around with his power. Very close despite my score. I was sorry to see this was Watanabe's last fight. I think he could have turned it around in a rematch. But it is what it is. BTW, Roman reminds me of Albert Davila when he gets his combinations going.
Gilberto Roman v Nana Yaw Konadu
Round 1: 10-8 Konadu (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: 10-9 Konadu
Round 3: 9-7 Konadu (scores 2 knockdowns but loses a point for hitting Roman when down)
Round 4: 10-7 Konadu (scores 2 knockdowns)
Round 5: 10-9 Konadu
Round 6: 10-9 Konadu
Round 7: 10-9 Konadu
Round 8: 10-9 Konadu
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Konadu
Round 11: 10-9 Konadu
Round 12: 10-9 Konadu
Total: 119-104 Konadu (actual scores: 118-104, 119-103 and 116-109 all for Konadu)
Unfortunately for Roman he simply couldn't get the engine running in the face of Konadu's onslaught. The dude could really hit and Roman could only clinch throughout with sporadic moments. can't figure where the one judge had it 116-109. One would think by looking at it that it's a rather dominant score, but in reflection of what happened, that actually looks close.
Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Watanabe
Round 4: 10-9 Roman
Round 5: 10-9 Roman
Round 6: 10-9 Watanabe
Round 7: 10-9 Roman
Round 8: 10-9 Roman
Round 9: 10-9 Roman
Round 10: 10-10 Even
Round 11: 10-9 Roman
Round 12: 10-10 Even
Total: 118-114 Roman (actual scores: 116-112, 116-112 and 116-114 all for Roman)
Brilliant fight to watch, merciless to score. I always make it hard on myself by taking in every nuance and shift in momentum. It's why sometimes I like just to sit and watch and enjoy rather than score. But nevertheless, almost every round was tight. Roman didn't get his engine going in full throttle until the 4th when he started rolling. But even then, Watanabe could turn a round around with his power. Very close despite my score. I was sorry to see this was Watanabe's last fight. I think he could have turned it around in a rematch. But it is what it is. BTW, Roman reminds me of Albert Davila when he gets his combinations going.
Gilberto Roman v Nana Yaw Konadu
Round 1: 10-8 Konadu (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: 10-9 Konadu
Round 3: 9-7 Konadu (scores 2 knockdowns but loses a point for hitting Roman when down)
Round 4: 10-7 Konadu (scores 2 knockdowns)
Round 5: 10-9 Konadu
Round 6: 10-9 Konadu
Round 7: 10-9 Konadu
Round 8: 10-9 Konadu
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Konadu
Round 11: 10-9 Konadu
Round 12: 10-9 Konadu
Total: 119-104 Konadu (actual scores: 118-104, 119-103 and 116-109 all for Konadu)
Unfortunately for Roman he simply couldn't get the engine running in the face of Konadu's onslaught. The dude could really hit and Roman could only clinch throughout with sporadic moments. can't figure where the one judge had it 116-109. One would think by looking at it that it's a rather dominant score, but in reflection of what happened, that actually looks close.
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Dwight Qawi v Eddie Davis
I loved this fight first time around so it was a real treat seeing it again.
Round 1: 10-8 Qawi (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: 10-9 Qawi
Round 3: 10-9 Davis
Round 4: 10-9 Qawi
Round 5: 10-9 Davis
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Qawi
Round 8: 10-9 Qawi
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Qawi
Round 11: Qawi stops Davis
Total through 10 completed rounds: 98-93 Qawi (actual scores: 97-93, 97-92 and 96-92 all for Qawi)
Once you get past the Fright Doctor screaming 'stop the fight!' you really get into it. What a great mesh of styles with Qawi pressing and Davis countering and flurrying off the ropes. Outstanding fight.
I loved this fight first time around so it was a real treat seeing it again.
Round 1: 10-8 Qawi (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: 10-9 Qawi
Round 3: 10-9 Davis
Round 4: 10-9 Qawi
Round 5: 10-9 Davis
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Qawi
Round 8: 10-9 Qawi
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Qawi
Round 11: Qawi stops Davis
Total through 10 completed rounds: 98-93 Qawi (actual scores: 97-93, 97-92 and 96-92 all for Qawi)
Once you get past the Fright Doctor screaming 'stop the fight!' you really get into it. What a great mesh of styles with Qawi pressing and Davis countering and flurrying off the ropes. Outstanding fight.
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Ruben Olivares vs Alexis Arguello
1: Olivares
2: Arguello
3: Even
4: Even
5: Arguello
6: Arguello
7: Olivares
8: Olivares
9: Olivares
10: Olivares
11: Olivares
12: Olivares
(Olivares 7-3-2)
13: Arguello KO
A great fight. It started close with Arguello pushing the pace and Olivares fighting on the backfoot. Both was hurting each other early on. By the mid rounds Olivares became more aggressive and started to take over. The second half of the fight was in control of Olivares, but Arguello was fighting back. Late in the 12th round Arguello was trapped in the corner and was in trouble. Yet early in the 13th Olivares attacked with a left hook, which was perfectly countered by the Arguello's one, Olivares went down hard. After he got up, Olivares tried to fight back Arguello, who felt blood, but Alexis caught Ruben with a right uppercut, which KOed Olivares out.
1: Olivares
2: Arguello
3: Even
4: Even
5: Arguello
6: Arguello
7: Olivares
8: Olivares
9: Olivares
10: Olivares
11: Olivares
12: Olivares
(Olivares 7-3-2)
13: Arguello KO
A great fight. It started close with Arguello pushing the pace and Olivares fighting on the backfoot. Both was hurting each other early on. By the mid rounds Olivares became more aggressive and started to take over. The second half of the fight was in control of Olivares, but Arguello was fighting back. Late in the 12th round Arguello was trapped in the corner and was in trouble. Yet early in the 13th Olivares attacked with a left hook, which was perfectly countered by the Arguello's one, Olivares went down hard. After he got up, Olivares tried to fight back Arguello, who felt blood, but Alexis caught Ruben with a right uppercut, which KOed Olivares out.
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Doc, this is how I had it:DrDuke wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 13:48 Ruben Olivares vs Alexis Arguello
1: Olivares
2: Arguello
3: Even
4: Even
5: Arguello
6: Arguello
7: Olivares
8: Olivares
9: Olivares
10: Olivares
11: Olivares
12: Olivares
(Olivares 7-3-2)
13: Arguello KO
A great fight. It started close with Arguello pushing the pace and Olivares fighting on the backfoot. Both was hurting each other early on. By the mid rounds Olivares became more aggressive and started to take over. The second half of the fight was in control of Olivares, but Arguello was fighting back. Late in the 12th round Arguello was trapped in the corner and was in trouble. Yet early in the 13th Olivares attacked with a left hook, which was perfectly countered by the Arguello's one, Olivares went down hard. After he got up, Olivares tried to fight back Arguello, who felt blood, but Alexis caught Ruben with a right uppercut, which KOed Olivares out.
Ruben Olivares vs. Alexis Arguello through 12 rounds, California scoring of one point for a round, none for an even round.
Round 1: Even
Round 2: Arguello
Round 3: Olivares
Round 4: Olivares
Round 5: Arguello
Round 6: Even
Round 7: Olivares
Round 8: Olivares
Round 9: Olivares
Round 10: Olivares
Round 11: Olivares
Round 12: Olivares
Round 13: KO for Arguello
Total: 8-2 Olivares
Quite amazing the way Olivares at 5'5" put the hurt on the 5'10" Arguello. It's always a bit of a shame when one fighter does such terrific work throughout a fight, with the finish line in sight, for him to falter towards the end.
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Alexis Arguello vs Vilomar Fernandez Dilogy
#1
1: Arguello
2: Fernandez
3: Fernandez
4: Even
5: Fernandez
6: Arguello
7: Fernandez
8: Fernandez
9: Fernandez
10: Fernandez
Total: Fernandez 7-2-1
Arguello had a tough experience inbetween his title defences. Probably he underestimated Fernandez, but Vilomar in any case was a bad matchup for Arguello, cause Alexis could be outslicked (remember the Marcel bout). Arguello was quite lethargic that time and pressed a lot without punches. Fernandez was moving well and timing good shots. Arguello had his moments, but he was clearly outboxed.
#2
1: Fernandez 10-9
2: Fernandez 10-9
3: Fernandez 10-9
4: Arguello 10-8 (Fernandez down)
5: Fernandez 10-9
6: Arguello 10-9
7: 10-10
8: Arguello 10-9
9: Arguello 10-9
10: Arguello 10-9
Total: Arguello 96-94
Arguello took his revenge in a preparation for the Pryor rematch. Anyway, it wasn't that easy, as the official cards suggested. Fernandez still was a bad matchup for Alexis. Anyway, there were some struggles, but Arguello won the rematch fairly.
#1
1: Arguello
2: Fernandez
3: Fernandez
4: Even
5: Fernandez
6: Arguello
7: Fernandez
8: Fernandez
9: Fernandez
10: Fernandez
Total: Fernandez 7-2-1
Arguello had a tough experience inbetween his title defences. Probably he underestimated Fernandez, but Vilomar in any case was a bad matchup for Arguello, cause Alexis could be outslicked (remember the Marcel bout). Arguello was quite lethargic that time and pressed a lot without punches. Fernandez was moving well and timing good shots. Arguello had his moments, but he was clearly outboxed.
#2
1: Fernandez 10-9
2: Fernandez 10-9
3: Fernandez 10-9
4: Arguello 10-8 (Fernandez down)
5: Fernandez 10-9
6: Arguello 10-9
7: 10-10
8: Arguello 10-9
9: Arguello 10-9
10: Arguello 10-9
Total: Arguello 96-94
Arguello took his revenge in a preparation for the Pryor rematch. Anyway, it wasn't that easy, as the official cards suggested. Fernandez still was a bad matchup for Alexis. Anyway, there were some struggles, but Arguello won the rematch fairly.
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Alexis Arguello vs Arturo Leon
I scored a shotout for Arguello 150-134 (Leon down in the 6th).
Arguello dominated Leon. Arguello was always pressing, but Leon was tough and took everything well. In the first half of the fight there was more action. Leon went down hard in the 6th round and took a barrage of punches, when Arguello tried to finish him off, but Leon not just survived, he even landed some shots of his own later in the round. In the second half the fight slowed down.
I scored a shotout for Arguello 150-134 (Leon down in the 6th).
Arguello dominated Leon. Arguello was always pressing, but Leon was tough and took everything well. In the first half of the fight there was more action. Leon went down hard in the 6th round and took a barrage of punches, when Arguello tried to finish him off, but Leon not just survived, he even landed some shots of his own later in the round. In the second half the fight slowed down.
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Alexis Arguello vs Bobby Chacon
1: Chacon 10-9
2: Arguello 10-9
3: Chacon 10-9
4: Arguello 10-9
5: Chacon 10-9
6: Arguello 10-9
7: Arguello 10-8 (Chacon down)
Chacon RTD
Prior to the stoppage: Arguello 67-65
A good slugfest. It started in a back-and-forth fashion, but Arguello eventually began to take over. Chacon was down in the 7th and he suffered a cut, which forced the doctor to stop the bout after the 7th.
1: Chacon 10-9
2: Arguello 10-9
3: Chacon 10-9
4: Arguello 10-9
5: Chacon 10-9
6: Arguello 10-9
7: Arguello 10-8 (Chacon down)
Chacon RTD
Prior to the stoppage: Arguello 67-65
A good slugfest. It started in a back-and-forth fashion, but Arguello eventually began to take over. Chacon was down in the 7th and he suffered a cut, which forced the doctor to stop the bout after the 7th.
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Here is how I had it and what I wrote:DrDuke wrote: ↑14 Apr 2021, 09:13 Alexis Arguello vs Bobby Chacon
1: Chacon 10-9
2: Arguello 10-9
3: Chacon 10-9
4: Arguello 10-9
5: Chacon 10-9
6: Arguello 10-9
7: Arguello 10-8 (Chacon down)
Chacon RTD
Prior to the stoppage: Arguello 67-65
A good slugfest. It started in a back-and-forth fashion, but Arguello eventually began to take over. Chacon was down in the 7th and he suffered a cut, which forced the doctor to stop the bout after the 7th.
Round 1: 10-9 Chacon
Round 2: 10-9 Arguello
Round 3: 10-9 Chacon
Round 4: 10-9 Chacon
Round 5: 10-9 Chacon
Round 6: 10-9 Arguello
Round 7: 10-8 Arguello
TKO - fight stopped between rounds due to a badly cut eye sustained by Chacon
Total through 7 completed rounds: 66-66 Even
Although Chacon was never the force he was as a featherweight, he really gave it an admirable go of it here. Fighting an in and out type of fight he was really catching Arguello with those looping shots. Don't know how long he could have continued that way - that maneuver really tends to gas a fighter - but a good go anyway.
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Alexis Arguello vs Ruben Castillo
1: 10-10
2: Arguello 10-9
3: Castillo 10-9
4: Arguello 10-9
5: 10-10
6: Castillo 10-9
7: Castillo 10-9
8: Castillo 10-9
9: Arguello 10-9
10: Arguello 10-9
96-96
11: Arguello TKO
An intense tactical bout. Arguello was coming forward in his composed fashion, but Castillo was no less composed, he was moving well. Arguello wasn't able to find his range and feel out Castillo early on. It was close at the start, but by the mid-rounds Castillo looked better. Castillo's occasional lead attacks and counters were giving him points. Arguello had almost no success at that stage. Yet eventually Arguello began to find his target. He started to use jab better. In the 11th Castillo was finally trapped on the ropes and overwhelmed. Arguello unleashed the barrage of hard shots on Castillo. Ruben went down, got up shaky and was waved.
1: 10-10
2: Arguello 10-9
3: Castillo 10-9
4: Arguello 10-9
5: 10-10
6: Castillo 10-9
7: Castillo 10-9
8: Castillo 10-9
9: Arguello 10-9
10: Arguello 10-9
96-96
11: Arguello TKO
An intense tactical bout. Arguello was coming forward in his composed fashion, but Castillo was no less composed, he was moving well. Arguello wasn't able to find his range and feel out Castillo early on. It was close at the start, but by the mid-rounds Castillo looked better. Castillo's occasional lead attacks and counters were giving him points. Arguello had almost no success at that stage. Yet eventually Arguello began to find his target. He started to use jab better. In the 11th Castillo was finally trapped on the ropes and overwhelmed. Arguello unleashed the barrage of hard shots on Castillo. Ruben went down, got up shaky and was waved.
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Alexis Arguello vs Jose Luis Ramirez
1: Arguello 10-9
2: Arguello 10-9
3: Ramirez 10-9
4: Arguello 10-9
5: Ramirez 10-9
6: Ramirez 10-8 (Arguello down)
7: Arguello 10-9
8: Arguello 10-9
9: Arguello 10-9
10: Ramirez 10-9
Total score: Arguello 95-94
The fight that made Ramirez famous. A hard matchup for Arguello, as Ramirez was able to stay composed under pressure and work with counters on the backfoot. Still Arguello edged the fight.
1: Arguello 10-9
2: Arguello 10-9
3: Ramirez 10-9
4: Arguello 10-9
5: Ramirez 10-9
6: Ramirez 10-8 (Arguello down)
7: Arguello 10-9
8: Arguello 10-9
9: Arguello 10-9
10: Ramirez 10-9
Total score: Arguello 95-94
The fight that made Ramirez famous. A hard matchup for Arguello, as Ramirez was able to stay composed under pressure and work with counters on the backfoot. Still Arguello edged the fight.
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Alexis Arguello vs Ray Mancini
1: Mancini 10-9
2: Arguello 10-9
3: Arguello 10-9
4: Mancini 10-9
5: Mancini 10-9
6: Mancini 10-9
7: Arguello 10-9
8: Arguello 10-9
9: Mancini 10-9
10: 10-10
11: Arguello 10-9
12: Arguello 10-8 (Mancini down)
13: Arguello 10-9
(Arguello 125-122)
14: Arguello KO
A great action-packed fight.
1: Mancini 10-9
2: Arguello 10-9
3: Arguello 10-9
4: Mancini 10-9
5: Mancini 10-9
6: Mancini 10-9
7: Arguello 10-9
8: Arguello 10-9
9: Mancini 10-9
10: 10-10
11: Arguello 10-9
12: Arguello 10-8 (Mancini down)
13: Arguello 10-9
(Arguello 125-122)
14: Arguello KO
A great action-packed fight.
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Aaron Pryor vs Alexis Arguello dilogy
#1
1: Pryor 10-9
2: Pryor 10-9
3: Pryor 10-9
4: Pryor 10-9
5: Arguello 10-9
6: Pryor 10-9
7: Arguello 10-9
8: Arguello 10-9
9: Arguello 10-9
10: Arguello 10-9
11: Arguello 10-9
12: Pryor 10-9
13: Arguello 10-9
14: Pryor TKO
Prior to the stoppage: Arguello 124-123
#2
1: Pryor 10-8 (Arguello down)
2: Arguello 10-9
3: Arguello 10-9
4: Pryor 10-8 (Arguello down)
5: Arguello 10-9
6: Pryor 10-9
7: Arguello 10-9
8: 9-9 (Arguello deducted a point for low blows)
9: Pryor 10-9
10: Pryor KO
Prior to the stoppage: Pryor 85-83
#1
1: Pryor 10-9
2: Pryor 10-9
3: Pryor 10-9
4: Pryor 10-9
5: Arguello 10-9
6: Pryor 10-9
7: Arguello 10-9
8: Arguello 10-9
9: Arguello 10-9
10: Arguello 10-9
11: Arguello 10-9
12: Pryor 10-9
13: Arguello 10-9
14: Pryor TKO
Prior to the stoppage: Arguello 124-123
#2
1: Pryor 10-8 (Arguello down)
2: Arguello 10-9
3: Arguello 10-9
4: Pryor 10-8 (Arguello down)
5: Arguello 10-9
6: Pryor 10-9
7: Arguello 10-9
8: 9-9 (Arguello deducted a point for low blows)
9: Pryor 10-9
10: Pryor KO
Prior to the stoppage: Pryor 85-83
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scartissue
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Doc, here were my scores on the Castillo, Ramirez, Mancini fights respectively.DrDuke wrote: ↑18 Apr 2021, 09:58 Alexis Arguello vs Ray Mancini
1: Mancini 10-9
2: Arguello 10-9
3: Arguello 10-9
4: Mancini 10-9
5: Mancini 10-9
6: Mancini 10-9
7: Arguello 10-9
8: Arguello 10-9
9: Mancini 10-9
10: 10-10
11: Arguello 10-9
12: Arguello 10-8 (Mancini down)
13: Arguello 10-9
(Arguello 125-122)
14: Arguello KO
A great action-packed fight.
Alexis Arguello v Ruben Castillo
Round 1: 10-9 Arguello
Round 2: 10-9 Arguello
Round 3: 10-9 Castillo
Round 4: 10-9 Arguello
Round 5: 10-9 Castillo
Round 6: 10-9 Castillo
Round 7: 10-9 Castillo
Round 8: 10-9 Castillo
Round 9: 10-9 Arguello
Round 10: 10-9 Arguello
Round 11: TKO for Arguello
Total through 10 completed rounds: 95-95 Even
The official scores were 97-96 twice for Arguello and the third judge said 97-96 Castillo. That would equate to 4-3-3 in rounds. I was tempted to score the 8th even but felt Castillo did enough. Arguello was methodical in slowly breaking down Ruben. Good fight.
Alexis Arguello v Jose Luis Ramirez
Great fight. Ramirez never fought a better fight. He was so very busy which countered Arguello's bombs throughout. I had it close enough where one couldn't gripe too much, but here we go. 10 point must system.
Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Arguello
Round 3: 10-9 Ramirez
Round 4: 10-9 Arguello
Round 5: 10-9 Ramirez
Round 6: 10-8 Ramirez (Ramirez scores a knockdown)
Round 7: 10-9 Arguello
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Arguello
Round 10: 10-9 Ramirez
Total: 96-95 Ramirez
Alexis Arguello - Ray 'Boom-Boom' Mancini
Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Mancini
Round 3: 10-9 Mancini
Round 4: 10-9 Mancini
Round 5: 10-9 Mancini
Round 6: 10-9 Mancini
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Arguello
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Arguello
Round 11: 10-9 Arguello
Round 12: 10-8 Arguello (scores a knockdown)
Round 13: 10-9 Arguello
Round 14: Arguello scores a stoppage win
Total through 13 completed rounds: 125-124 Arguello
Alexis Arguello truly was a 15 round fighter. You may get off to a good start over him as Ray did, but he bides his time with every hook, uppercut, cross, jab and bodyshot which slowly whittles down the resolve, ribs and skin on his opponent before cueing him up for the KO. Remarkable fighter.
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In a way, all three of these fights were similar. close fights, but eventually Arguello wore his opponent down. I think a lot of people were surprised that Mancini did as well as he did.
Guess it should be pointed out that Arguello also beat a lot of good fighters in fairly short fights as well.
Guess it should be pointed out that Arguello also beat a lot of good fighters in fairly short fights as well.
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Rocky Balboa vs. Mason ''The Line'' Dixon
A weird moment for boxing when the greatest challenge for the undisputed champion was a retired for 20 years 60 years old man. The fight was meant to be an exhibition but knowing Rocky war instinct he transformed what was announced as a glorified sparring session into a pure oldschool slugfest and almost clutched a decision but did the judges got it right ?
Round 1 : 10-9 Dixon. The champion is landing few jab at an unbalanced Rocky looking like he doesn't want to hurt the older man too much. Rocky tries to trap him in a corner but Dixon gets the best of the exchange. Solid round for the champion
Round 2 : 10-8 Dixon. What a round 3 knockdowns ! Dixon is able to put an already tiring Rocky to the canvas 2 times and just when it looked like the fight was about to get stopped Rocky got up and was able to score a knockdown of his own with the most terrific body blows the champion certainly ever took !
Round 3 : 10-9 Balboa Solid round for the former 2-times champion. He landed some bodyshots reminiscent of his wars with Creed and Drago. The champ right hand looks hurt !
Round 4 : 10-9 Balboa What a round for Rocky ! He was able to follow the bodyshots with beautiful right hooks upstairs.
Round 5 : 10-9 Dixon The champion hands seems ta have healed from the injury which happened in the closing seconds of round 2 ! He was able to hurt Rocky many times with combinations !
Round 6 : 10-9 Balboa Rocky is coming back with sheer will he's pushing and traping the champion against the ropes to land largs heavy bombs to the body !
Round 7 : 10-9 Dixon The champion was able to hurt Rocky with a solid combination but not enough to put him down !
Round 8 : 10-9 Dixon. Rocky looks hurt. The fight looks it's about to get stopped again !
Round 9 : 10-9 Balboa. Closest round of the fight. Balboa was able to come back but the champion was also able to land terrific blows. I'd give it to Rocky as it looked like he was one landing the most efficient shots !
Round 10 : 10-8 Dixon. The champion was able to finally scores another knockdown hoping to get the fight finally stopped but Rocky got up like a warrior and fought back like he did 25 years ago in his greatest performance. Dixon was still able to land dangerous punches after the knockdown. Solid round to finish the fight for the champion despite Rocky landing a last hard left hand just at the bell !
TOTAL : 96-92 for the still undefeated and undisputed champion Mason ''The Line'' Dixon !
For me it's a pretty evident win for the champion due to the 3 knockdowns he scored during the fight. The judges got it a lot closer, and one of them even scored it for Rocky ! But I can't blame them Rocky was able to sign an unseen performance against top opposition for such an old man who hadn''t fight in decades !
OK let's get a little bit more serious for a minute here. I hope scoring fictionnal fight is allowed. All I can say is this was a lot of fun to write and I hope it was also a lot of fun to read for you !
A weird moment for boxing when the greatest challenge for the undisputed champion was a retired for 20 years 60 years old man. The fight was meant to be an exhibition but knowing Rocky war instinct he transformed what was announced as a glorified sparring session into a pure oldschool slugfest and almost clutched a decision but did the judges got it right ?
Round 1 : 10-9 Dixon. The champion is landing few jab at an unbalanced Rocky looking like he doesn't want to hurt the older man too much. Rocky tries to trap him in a corner but Dixon gets the best of the exchange. Solid round for the champion
Round 2 : 10-8 Dixon. What a round 3 knockdowns ! Dixon is able to put an already tiring Rocky to the canvas 2 times and just when it looked like the fight was about to get stopped Rocky got up and was able to score a knockdown of his own with the most terrific body blows the champion certainly ever took !
Round 3 : 10-9 Balboa Solid round for the former 2-times champion. He landed some bodyshots reminiscent of his wars with Creed and Drago. The champ right hand looks hurt !
Round 4 : 10-9 Balboa What a round for Rocky ! He was able to follow the bodyshots with beautiful right hooks upstairs.
Round 5 : 10-9 Dixon The champion hands seems ta have healed from the injury which happened in the closing seconds of round 2 ! He was able to hurt Rocky many times with combinations !
Round 6 : 10-9 Balboa Rocky is coming back with sheer will he's pushing and traping the champion against the ropes to land largs heavy bombs to the body !
Round 7 : 10-9 Dixon The champion was able to hurt Rocky with a solid combination but not enough to put him down !
Round 8 : 10-9 Dixon. Rocky looks hurt. The fight looks it's about to get stopped again !
Round 9 : 10-9 Balboa. Closest round of the fight. Balboa was able to come back but the champion was also able to land terrific blows. I'd give it to Rocky as it looked like he was one landing the most efficient shots !
Round 10 : 10-8 Dixon. The champion was able to finally scores another knockdown hoping to get the fight finally stopped but Rocky got up like a warrior and fought back like he did 25 years ago in his greatest performance. Dixon was still able to land dangerous punches after the knockdown. Solid round to finish the fight for the champion despite Rocky landing a last hard left hand just at the bell !
TOTAL : 96-92 for the still undefeated and undisputed champion Mason ''The Line'' Dixon !
For me it's a pretty evident win for the champion due to the 3 knockdowns he scored during the fight. The judges got it a lot closer, and one of them even scored it for Rocky ! But I can't blame them Rocky was able to sign an unseen performance against top opposition for such an old man who hadn''t fight in decades !
OK let's get a little bit more serious for a minute here. I hope scoring fictionnal fight is allowed. All I can say is this was a lot of fun to write and I hope it was also a lot of fun to read for you !
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- Thanks, LeRoi. What with guffawing my gut sore over over all the Gyspy Remoaners in a clusterfest over their brave n'er do well Champion melting like a dropped snowcone in August, I haven't had this much fun in ages. Or at least since the Managing Editor of Fightnews Flattop, RIP, and I were laughing over the uncalled KD where one of Rahman's 1001 jabs waddles Toney backwards across the ring into the ropes. Toney suffered the Roy Jones KD with similar effect, and then the time when Fast Fres rolled TwoTon out of the ring like a beer barrel into the laps of the now heavily pressed press.LeRoiDuRing wrote: ↑08 May 2021, 20:06 Rocky Balboa vs. Mason ''The Line'' Dixon
A weird moment for boxing when the greatest challenge for the undisputed champion was a retired for 20 years 60 years old man. The fight was meant to be an exhibition but knowing Rocky war instinct he transformed what was announced as a glorified sparring session into a pure oldschool slugfest and almost clutched a decision but did the judges got it right ?
Round 1 : 10-9 Dixon. The champion is landing few jab at an unbalanced Rocky looking like he doesn't want to hurt the older man too much. Rocky tries to trap him in a corner but Dixon gets the best of the exchange. Solid round for the champion
Round 2 : 10-8 Dixon. What a round 3 knockdowns ! Dixon is able to put an already tiring Rocky to the canvas 2 times and just when it looked like the fight was about to get stopped Rocky got up and was able to score a knockdown of his own with the most terrific body blows the champion certainly ever took !
Round 3 : 10-9 Balboa Solid round for the former 2-times champion. He landed some bodyshots reminiscent of his wars with Creed and Drago. The champ right hand looks hurt !
Round 4 : 10-9 Balboa What a round for Rocky ! He was able to follow the bodyshots with beautiful right hooks upstairs.
Round 5 : 10-9 Dixon The champion hands seems ta have healed from the injury which happened in the closing seconds of round 2 ! He was able to hurt Rocky many times with combinations !
Round 6 : 10-9 Balboa Rocky is coming back with sheer will he's pushing and traping the champion against the ropes to land largs heavy bombs to the body !
Round 7 : 10-9 Dixon The champion was able to hurt Rocky with a solid combination but not enough to put him down !
Round 8 : 10-9 Dixon. Rocky looks hurt. The fight looks it's about to get stopped again !
Round 9 : 10-9 Balboa. Closest round of the fight. Balboa was able to come back but the champion was also able to land terrific blows. I'd give it to Rocky as it looked like he was one landing the most efficient shots !
Round 10 : 10-8 Dixon. The champion was able to finally scores another knockdown hoping to get the fight finally stopped but Rocky got up like a warrior and fought back like he did 25 years ago in his greatest performance. Dixon was still able to land dangerous punches after the knockdown. Solid round to finish the fight for the champion despite Rocky landing a last hard left hand just at the bell !
TOTAL : 96-92 for the still undefeated and undisputed champion Mason ''The Line'' Dixon !
For me it's a pretty evident win for the champion due to the 3 knockdowns he scored during the fight. The judges got it a lot closer, and one of them even scored it for Rocky ! But I can't blame them Rocky was able to sign an unseen performance against top opposition for such an old man who hadn''t fight in decades !
OK let's get a little bit more serious for a minute here. I hope scoring fictionnal fight is allowed. All I can say is this was a lot of fun to write and I hope it was also a lot of fun to read for you !
I never got Stallone as a guy no bigger than me but needing steroids to be with me challenging the hvywt champ. We did have our Rudi Lubbers, The Lion of Flanders, and our 'enery, et al, so when the wife took the weekend to be with her parents for their 30th wedding anniversary, that coincided with Rocky I-V being shown consecutively on Espn, the sum total of that franchise then. Larded up with an icebox of beer, plenty of smokes and fixin's, I settled in for an 8 hour marathon of doubled over paroxysms that left me near disabled the next day from my sore stomach. I'd have been thrown out the movie theatre or started umpteen fights had I seen it that fashion.
Burgess Meredith an elderly actor by then recognized the full camp potential of his role to make the film for me, just brilliant. He didn't live long enough to see the franchise to completion. I'll be laughin' off an on for days now as that much comedy packed into a modern prize fight amalgamated with Rocky is almost too much for a normal human to bear. Gypsy, yeah, gypsy
