BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking update - Parker vs Chisora, Ruiz vs Arreola

[margaret thatcher]

haye and fury both beat chisora better than pulev did, usyk i had about the same, though tbf pulev did win handily

too bad his career has been so mediocre in the 5 years since

[oogiebe]

Pulev should be No. 4 or 5

You my friend are on drugs

The only decent fighter beaten by Pulev in the last 5 years is Chisora (split decision if I remember correctly?) unless you count Fury-light. Considerkng he's British I can safely assume that you don't.

Pulev is the best heavyweight in the world ... at beating nobody of note yet still maintaining a world ranking. People are finally getting wise to Mr Pulev which is why his top ten ranking is no longer automatic.

I bet you never watched Pulev VS chisora and hughie ... Pulev beat chisora so badly that no other fighter could do, and that was prime chisora. Even Dirty Eddie paid lot of money to judges to score for chisora. But it was like a man beating up a child.

Even at 40, still Pulev beats Parker ,chisora, whyte , ruiz .. current crop of heavyweight are shit.

Stop with the Pooh-lev shite.

[Boxtune]

The most funny thing is whtye was crying so hard in eveey interview as why Pulev went 10 rounds with AJ and himself lasted just 7 rounds. He was blaming AJ allowed fight to go longer
If i was at interview, i would have given whyte hard slap on the face and stop crying.

[margaret thatcher]

aj gave them both good beatdowns

[gregregegg]

Can’t belive how many people are leaving Parker behind povetkin. Parker just beat a guy in the top 15, with a mediocre performance sure but fornicating hell when comparing it to a povetkin that could hardly walk to the ring and got smashed to bits by whyte (who realistically isn’t even much better than chisora if at all I don’t think). Harsh.

[stpeach]

Question A: How are the rankings affected by Joseph Parker's SD 12 win over Dereck Chisora?

My vote: no change.

Question B: How are the rankings affected by Andy Ruiz's UD 12 win over Chris Arreola?

My vote: no change. Ruiz is lucky Hunter and Povetkin have not been impressive in the recent past.

[candyslim]

You are wrong about everything boxtune. No surprises there. I did watch both fights but Pulev v Chisora was 5 years ago so just for you I watched it again this morning.

In many ways Hughie is still a boy. He got a bad cut against Pulev and basically panicked. I'm not saying he would have beaten Pulev but he should have done a lot better.

Chisora was a split decision. That was ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as your unsubstantiated allegation about Eddie Hearn. He doesn't appoint the judges, the British Boxing Board of Control do that. The Swiss judge was way out of line, but it surely can't have escaped your notice that Eddie's fighters frequently lose decisions at home, in fact Chisora was the home fighter against Parker. Look how that turned out.

A few observations:
1. I scored round 9 to Chisora. Rounds 3 and 6 also arguably Chisora's, but I scored all others for Pulev.
2. Some judges score for the fighter who is going forwards. It was Chisora who was making the fight.
3. It was Pulev's best ever performance but at no point did he ever look like stopping Chisora.
4. It was only Dereck Chisora who has no signature wins and is usually ranked between 10 and 20 in the world.
5. Dereck always struggles with boxers who move and are reluctant to engage.
6. Pulev did quite a lot of grabbing and holding and was reluctant to engage.
7. The most effective single shots were thrown by Chisora. He shook Pulev with a short left in the 9th and a couple of times with the right in earlier rounds,

In conclusion it was Pulev's best performance and his best opponent for at least 5 years, and an opponent who was made to measure for him. An opponent who is decent at best.

That's your number 4 or 5 in the world ???

[tiny_acres]

Ruiz same
Parker same
Arreola same
Chisora out ( he holds his own in every big fight. But loses them all. He is out of the top 15 now)

[margaret thatcher]

i mean, arguably beating joe parker is better than anything oscar rivas has been doing lately isnt it

i kinda feel for del....loses split decisions to whyte and parker that could've easily gone his way (i thought he won both), and now ppl cling to the judges to say he hasnt done anything, even though the judges dont change what happened in the ring and they were split in those fights

he was obviously totally robbed vs helly too

[candyslim]

Chisora out ( he holds his own in every big fight. But loses them all. He is out of the top 15 now)

True but there are fighters not facing ejection from our top 15 who have never been in a big fight and who seem in no rush to change that.

[tiny_acres]

Chisora out ( he holds his own in every big fight. But loses them all. He is out of the top 15 now)

True but there are fighters not facing ejection from our top 15 who have never been in a big fight and who seem in no rush to change that.

And I'm sure I'd argue they don't deserve a spot either

[KiwiRider]

So the word is Parker was having trouble with his elbow.
He has had an operation on both elbows, bone splints.
Dunno what this latest injury means, but having to have a second operation isn't encouraging.

[margaret thatcher]

higgins said he injured it about halfway through, funny enough that's when he started winning rounds

[oogiebe]

higgins said he injured it about halfway through, funny enough that's when he started winning rounds

It's all a lot of BS, as you know. Everyone has an excuse for everything.

[KiwiRider]

higgins said he injured it about halfway through, funny enough that's when he started winning rounds

It's all a lot of BS, as you know. Everyone has an excuse for everything.

Could be Oogs, but I seen one x-ray of the pre-op bone splints. No reason why there isn't more, or new ones. Let's wait and see.

[margaret thatcher]

well, maybe he should injure his elbow more, since that's when he started doing better

[candyslim]

Chisora out ( he holds his own in every big fight. But loses them all. He is out of the top 15 now)

True but there are fighters not facing ejection from our top 15 who have never been in a big fight and who seem in no rush to change that.

And I'm sure I'd argue they don't deserve a spot either

Take out those who lose big fights, and those who swerve them, or have yet to participate in them, we might struggle to name more than half a dozen fighters to fill our top 15.

Chisora deserves his place. He's not scared of anyone and with a few breaks from the judges he'd have some respectable wins to put on his balance sheet. He's not top tier but he deserves credit for fighting those who are/ were.

[Ruthless-RKO]

well, maybe he should injure his elbow more, since that's when he started doing better

Is it his elbow that is an ongoing issue? Or his hands? He had surgery not too long ago.

Said it would give him more power once fixed and would fight more aggressive. But nothing.

[Cyclops]

Current list:

1. Tyson Fury - 30(21) 0 1 - next fight: TBA

2. Anthony Joshua - 24(22) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

3. Deontay Wilder - 42(41) 1(1) 1 - next fight: TBA

4. Dillian Whyte - 28(19) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

5. Oleksandr Usyk - 18(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

6. Andy Ruiz Jr - 34(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Michael Hunter - 19(13) 1(0) 1 - next fight: TBA

8. Alexander Povetkin - 36(25) 3(2) 1 - next fight: TBA

9. Joseph Parker - 29(21) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Joe Joyce - 12(11) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

11. Kubrat Pulev - 28(14) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

12. Luis Ortiz - 32(27) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

13. Dereck Chisora - 32(23) 11(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

14. Otto Wallin - 22(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Óscar Rivas - 27(19) 1(0) 0 - next fight: 18.06.2021 vs Bryant Jennings - 24(14) 4(2) 0 - (unranked, inactive)

Question A: How are the rankings affected by Joseph Parker's SD 12 win over Dereck Chisora?

My vote: Parker to #11, Chisora stays at #13.

Question B: How are the rankings affected by Andy Ruiz's UD 12 win over Chris Arreola?

My vote: Ruiz to #12, Arreola remains unranked.

I don't think Povetkin should be in the top 10. I know he's got a good resume but he's so absolutely shot. It would be hard to put Del above Pulev who beat him easily, unless they rematched or Del had gotten the nod on Saturday, so the only change I'd make is to remove Povetkin from the rankings and then everybody underneath moves up a place.

This doesn't work like that though, does it?

[gregregegg]

No one in our top 15 has a heavyweight fight booked. Rivas has a bridge weight bout lined up... that’s so grim considering these kinda guys have 10+ week camps if the are fighting a pulse...

[aicheligad]

Current list:

1. Tyson Fury - 30(21) 0 1 - next fight: TBA

2. Anthony Joshua - 24(22) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

3. Deontay Wilder - 42(41) 1(1) 1 - next fight: TBA

4. Dillian Whyte - 28(19) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

5. Oleksandr Usyk - 18(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

6. Andy Ruiz Jr - 34(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Michael Hunter - 19(13) 1(0) 1 - next fight: TBA

8. Alexander Povetkin - 36(25) 3(2) 1 - next fight: TBA

9. Joseph Parker - 29(21) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Joe Joyce - 12(11) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

11. Kubrat Pulev - 28(14) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

12. Luis Ortiz - 32(27) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

13. Dereck Chisora - 32(23) 11(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

14. Otto Wallin - 22(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Óscar Rivas - 27(19) 1(0) 0 - next fight: 18.06.2021 vs Bryant Jennings - 24(14) 4(2) 0 - (unranked, inactive)

Question A: How are the rankings affected by Joseph Parker's SD 12 win over Dereck Chisora?

My vote: Parker to #11, Chisora stays at #13.

Question B: How are the rankings affected by Andy Ruiz's UD 12 win over Chris Arreola?

My vote: Ruiz to #12, Arreola remains unranked.

I don't think Povetkin should be in the top 10. I know he's got a good resume but he's so absolutely shot. It would be hard to put Del above Pulev who beat him easily, unless they rematched or Del had gotten the nod on Saturday, so the only change I'd make is to remove Povetkin from the rankings and then everybody underneath moves up a place.

This doesn't work like that though, does it?

Yeah, it doesn't work like that, however, you still have enough time to make a valid vote

[aicheligad]

No one in our top 15 has a heavyweight fight booked. Rivas has a bridge weight bout lined up... that’s so grim considering these kinda guys have 10+ week camps if the are fighting a pulse...

And this fight is postponed now, too. We got Kabayel vs Kevin Johnson though

[oogiebe]

No one in our top 15 has a heavyweight fight booked. Rivas has a bridge weight bout lined up... that’s so grim considering these kinda guys have 10+ week camps if the are fighting a pulse...

And this fight is postponed now, too. We got Kabayel vs Kevin Johnson though

LOL!!! Is that a $50.00 PPV?

[joshj909]

And this fight is postponed now, too. We got Kabayel vs Kevin Johnson though

It's like Kabayel is building himself up to face someone of the level of Chisora, but he beat Chisora 3-4 years ago and has fought subpar opposition since. Not sure what his angle is anymore because he's losing respect for what was a decent win for him. Is it lack of confidence? poor management? or is he going down the staying undefeated until one of the sanctioning bodies is dumb enough to make me mandatory route?

[ironbeard]

No change.