Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - November 6, 2021

[DrDuke]

Saunders was the hard part. Plant will go down. He doesnt have Smith toughness or Saunders awkwardness. Canelo would beat him pretty easily. Alvarez vs Charlo is something i really want to see.

The Plant matchup is good and Charlo must challenge the undisputed championship after it.

Did Charlo said he’ll go up to 168?

I don't remember such stuff, just some wet dreams.

[Ruthless-RKO]

“You can’t break a poor boy’s chin, that’s warrior’s code,” Planted noted via social media after the win. “There are things I fear but I put it on my last breath and soul that men aren’t one of them.”

[Ruthless-RKO]

Canelo Alvarez Opens As -600 Favorite Versus Caleb Plant

[KiwiRider]

Canelo Alvarez Opens As -600 Favorite Versus Caleb Plant

So the smart money remains in pockets?

[Bard of Boxrec]

I’ve watched plant and he has some skills, hand speed and nice punch selection but he just seems a bit flat footed to me, a bit slow on his feet. That’s the worst thing to be against Canelo. I see that matchup as being very one-sided in favour of the Mexican. Round 8 stoppage or maybe even earlier. He’ll just be in punching range the whole time .

[KiwiRider]

I'm not totally sure this would end in a stoppage. Mind you, I said the same about BJS.
Hard to predict if Plant has a chin or not because he hasn't been hit by the likes of Canelo. He can move, but as has been said, it's a little slow.
Slow enough that he is going to get caught by Mr Counter-puncher Alvarez a lot as the fight goes on.
Plant will be basically handing the last belt over, and I struggle to see that unless the money is really good. Once the belts are tied up, it's either move division or wait in line.

[gregregegg]

Plant will surely sell his belt to canelo, But will hold out a bit in negotiations mabey. Hard say no to 10 million but... when after belts will go vacant, his only loss will be to p4p 1 he will come back from it if he is any good.

If plant dodges this fight then he will get given a tough mandatory for 1/10th the cash and mabey lose. Governing body’s want a cut of canelo much more than they want a cut of plant...

Also if plant dosent take a 5-10x career high pay day for a shot at undisputed then what’s he doing, I expect this to be made for September no doubt.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Plant will surely sell his belt to canelo, But will hold out a bit in negotiations mabey. Hard say no to 10 million but... when after belts will go vacant, his only loss will be to p4p 1 he will come back from it if he is any good.

If plant dodges this fight then he will get given a tough mandatory for 1/10th the cash and mabey lose. Governing body’s want a cut of canelo much more than they want a cut of plant...

Also if plant dosent take a 5-10x career high pay day for a shot at undisputed then what’s he doing, I expect this to be made for September no doubt.

Won’t be getting $10m.. but he will get a career height payday no doubt.

He can sell his belt, make his money and be set for life.. and then he can start again.. fight to continue his own legacy. Who knows a belt may become vacant.

[gregregegg]

Plant will surely sell his belt to canelo, But will hold out a bit in negotiations mabey. Hard say no to 10 million but... when after belts will go vacant, his only loss will be to p4p 1 he will come back from it if he is any good.

If plant dodges this fight then he will get given a tough mandatory for 1/10th the cash and mabey lose. Governing body’s want a cut of canelo much more than they want a cut of plant...

Also if plant dosent take a 5-10x career high pay day for a shot at undisputed then what’s he doing, I expect this to be made for September no doubt.

Won’t be getting $10m.. but he will get a career height payday no doubt.

He can sell his belt, make his money and be set for life.. and then he can start again.. fight to continue his own legacy. Who knows a belt may become vacant.

You don’t think? He has the last thing canelo wants, canelo undisputed vs an American will be massive. He dosent deserve it but if he held out... its canelos one very public goal.

Canelo undisputed in Texas or Vegas would be a near 50 million dollar fight even if I was the opponent, I think if plant holds out for 10 he is every chance to get it or near it.

One of the rare times where I think if needed A side would take less than they are worth because it’s an easyish fight and it gives you all the belts.

[margaret thatcher]

i dont think canelo becoming undisputed ads that much more value to the fight overall, ppl who dont watch canelo now---how many are really gonna watch because some abc title is on the line. he's already a title machine anyway.and for already fans, i mean it's an extra little thing but does it really change the fight much

with being undisputed a goal of canelos though, it may help plant get extra money out of him. defending against cans to remain the last guy standing may've helped plant in that respect

[Ruthless-RKO]

Only because it’s for ALL the belts. Plant should get around $10m.. he’s a nobody really outside the boxing world.

Daniel Jacobs got around $12m,

Cal Smith and BJS got around $8m each..

[garethhop]

It's difficult to see how this fight doesn't take place via PBC on a PPV later this year. Eddie has already hinted as much.

DAZN are still not mature enough to consistently pay the money via their subcriber base for the big fights.

[ironbeard]

Only because it’s for ALL the belts. Plant should get around $10m.. he’s a nobody really outside the boxing world.

Daniel Jacobs got around $12m,

Cal Smith and BJS got around $8m each..

I can see Plant getting Jacobs money.

[Ruthless-RKO]

It's difficult to see how this fight doesn't take place via PBC on a PPV later this year. Eddie has already hinted as much.

DAZN are still not mature enough to consistently pay the money via their subcriber base for the big fights.

Yeh; that’s why CaNelo vs. smith and Yildirim was available on PPV seperate to DAZN. Anyone buying the PPV got 3 months DAZN free sub

[Enlightened-One]

Caleb Plant only earned:

• $150K against Uzcategui
• $750K against Lee
• $750K against Truax

He’s not getting $10m for the Canelo bout.

Callum Smith and Billy Joe Saunders are long time established fighters and DAZN wanted Brits to face Canelo, to help launch their streaming service in the UK.

And Caleb Plant is a commercially inferior name than Callum Smith and Billy Joe Saunders. He's also less accomplished.

Caleb Plant has already rejected two opportunities to face Canelo. He'll end up rejecting a third offer if his financial terms aren't met.

And if this happens, don't be surprised to see Canelo facing someone else, whilst also permanently blacklisting Plant from being considered as a potential future opponent.

That said, the IBF might be desperate to receive the massive commission that a Canelo bout brings.

So they could try to force Caleb Plant to either engage in the title unification or make perform a mandatory against a no-name opponent for peanuts.

Canelo is a free agent and also a businessman. If Caleb Plant gets greedy, the Mexican will go elsewhere. He won’t be held to ransom by somebody that typically only earns $750K suddenly demanding an eight-figure sum.

[apollo creed]

Caleb is smart. He ain't gonna get a beating for less money knowing that Canelo's wish is to unify and the ibf title is the only one left.

[Enlightened-One]

Caleb is smart. He ain't gonna get a beating for less money knowing that Canelo's wish is to unify and the ibf title is the only one left.

"Less money" than what, though?

People in this thread are suggesting he should demand 40%+ more than Billy Joe Saunders earned, which equates to an astonishing 1,233% more than his typical payday!

I don't know what your maths is like, but those percentages are fṹḉkḯṅg massive!

[Ruthless-RKO]

Caleb is smart. He ain't gonna get a beating for less money knowing that Canelo's wish is to unify and the ibf title is the only one left.

That’s his bargaining chip.

But TBH, even $5m sets him for life and is more than what he’s worth.

[ironbeard]

It is not a question of “what he’s worth.” The question is; how much is that belt worth to Canelo?

Based on that, I think that Plant will get more than BJS did, potentially Jacobs money.

[margaret thatcher]

werent dudes calling for kov to settle at like 6m or something

it's gonna likely be the biggest money opportunity of his career by far, might as well take a shot

[Ruthless-RKO]

It is not a question of “what he’s worth.” The question is; how much is that belt worth to Canelo?

Based on that, I think that Plant will get more than BJS did, potentially Jacobs money.

True, but it’s gotta be reasonable.

[apollo creed]

It is not a question of “what he’s worth.” The question is; how much is that belt worth to Canelo?

Based on that, I think that Plant will get more than BJS did, potentially Jacobs money.

Bingo! it's the last piece missing from Saul's "puzzle". It could've been for the "wtf" title. And let's be fair Caleb is the one who would get punched hard by Canelo. Everybody with a brain would demand as much money as possible. A boxer could get a very bad injury or a bad brain concussion, etc.

Also Canelo said that he wants to be the first mexican unified smw champion. So, it must mean a lot for him.

[gregregegg]

A bottle of water might be worth a couple of bucks but if bill gates is stuck in the desert and I’m selling water I’m gunna get paid...

prices/pays depend on the value you bring to the customer. Canelo is shopping for undisputed, we will see what he is willing to spend.

[Enlightened-One]

A bottle of water might be worth a couple of bucks but if bill gates is stuck in the desert and I’m selling water I’m gunna get paid...

prices/pays depend on the value you bring to the customer. Canelo is shopping for undisputed, we will see what he is willing to spend.

You’re exaggerating the situation a tad excessively.

Winning the IBF title is only a “nice-to-have” for Canelo - it’s not life or death!

If Caleb Plant prices himself out of the fight, then it’s not as if Canelo can’t achieve great things or earn decent paydays elsewhere.

For sure, the IBF title (or being the undisputed champion) means something and carries some sort of financial value, but it’s not the be-all-and-end-all for Canelo.

Remeber, fellow Eddie Hearn colleague, Anthony Joshua is willing to vacate his belts to secure the Tyson Fury fight.

And neither GGG nor Canelo made any attempt to try to win the WBO title when they held the other three straps at 160lbs.

And Canelo never attempted to add the WBO and IBF straps to his collection when he held the other two at 154lbs.

Also, Alvarez had never previously tried to capture an IBF belt until the GGG fight.

And Floyd Mayweather Jr. wasn’t willing to pay the WBO sanctioning fees for the Pacquiao fight, even though it would have made him the undisputed champ at 147lbs.

I could go on and on about fighters not being bothered about becoming unified or undisputed champions, probably because it’s too hard to retain ownership of all the belts due to mandatories and deadlines, coupled with paying a 3% sanctioning fee to every governing body.

[Finkel]

I was just about to eat my own words and acknowledge that Canelo was changing his ways and giving Plant ample time to prepare for a fight in December! Though 7 months did seem a bit excessive...

Then I realised this dated back to November 2020 talking about a desired December 2020 fight.