Do we really know how good BJS was?

[THEBUTCH]

I'm well aware how good BS is/was. Southern Area, Commonwealth, British and European
titles....he ticked all the boxes. Sadly for BS he will be remembered for this fight.

The truth of the current matter is Canelo flicked the switch on half why through the 8th round and the chasm between them was huge....in every respect.

[Dan Dares]

I think that if you watch it again you will see that BJS backed Canelo up to the ropes, physically, more than once. He literally got Canelo off his feet awkwardly in the middle of the ring once. This was all amidst Canelo uncharacteristically missing wildly and repeatedly.

Hilarous. I think it's you that needs to watch it again. Holding onto someone isn't backing them up.

Did you have shit in your eyes when you watched it?

[ironbeard]

I think that if you watch it again you will see that BJS backed Canelo up to the ropes, physically, more than once. He literally got Canelo off his feet awkwardly in the middle of the ring once. This was all amidst Canelo uncharacteristically missing wildly and repeatedly.

Hilarous. I think it's you that needs to watch it again. Holding onto someone isn't backing them up.

Did you have shit in your eyes when you watched it?

Grappling someone back into the ropes is most certainly backing them up, for brains.

[THEBUTCH]

Not in my book. You back up an opponent with punches. That's how I've always understood the term "back him up".

End of the day Alvarez was in control of that fight. Few boxers have the pacing of a fight, or knowing when to pull the trigger, better than Canelo.

[ironbeard]

Not in my book. You back up an opponent with punches. That's how I've always understood the term "back him up".

End of the day Alvarez was in control of that fight. Few boxers have the pacing of a fight, or knowing when to pull the trigger, better than Canelo.

If you read the original post, that for brains replied to, I said that BJS backed Canelo up to the ropes PHYSICALLY; which he most certainly did.

I had it 6-2 Canelo. Obviously, I acknowledge that Canelo controlled the fight. However, he also lost 2 of 3 rounds prior to the 8th. During those rounds BJS was engaging Canelo physically, moving him around. He also was landing more and cleaner blows while Canelo was missing wildly; uncharacteristic for him.

It appeared that he was tiring and frustrated in the 7th. Was that strategy? Possibly. He may have been giving BJS false confidence. Great acting job if that was the case.

[THEBUTCH]

Ah apologies, I jumped in half way through!

Yeah, some of those points you make I agree with.

[gp.]

Why is this thread in the past tense? Has he retired and I missed it?

[Dan Dares]

Grappling someone back into the ropes is most certainly backing them up, for brains.

No it isn't. If someone puts their weight on you, and is holding, like BJS was, and was warned for, resisting it saps energy. Best thing to do is to let them. Pretty standard practice. Have you ever boxed before?

[coghaugen11]

Why is this thread in the past tense? Has he retired and I missed it?

We won’t be seeing him again.

[ironbeard]

Grappling someone back into the ropes is most certainly backing them up, for brains.

No it isn't. If someone puts their weight on you, and is holding, like BJS was, and was warned for, resisting it saps energy. Best thing to do is to let them. Pretty standard practice. Have you ever boxed before?

Listen up, for brains; if your opponent is managing to land more and cleaner shots, while also grappling/leaning on you, without getting penalized, your opponent is winning rounds, and potentially wearing you down, a la Andre Ward.

BJS won rounds 5 and 7 going into 8. Canelo was missing wildly, especially in 7. BJS had an argument for winning 8 prior to the decisive blow.

BJS may be a puny person outside of the ring, but he is a world class boxer, and he showed it v Canelo.

Resume regurgitating your biased about BJS, and cliché attempts at personal insults, . I will keep shoveling it all back into your face.

[Dan Dares]

BJS won rounds 5 and 7 going into 8. Canelo was missing wildly, especially in 7. BJS had an argument for winning 8 prior to the decisive blow.

BJS may be a puny person outside of the ring, but he is a world class boxer, and he showed it v Canelo.

Resume regurgitating your biased about BJS, and cliché attempts at personal insults, . I will keep shoveling it all back into your face.

You must have had shit in your eyes if you think Alvarez was being 'backed up' by Saunders. That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard about the fight so far.

World class fighters perform for 12 rounds. Little evidence of Saunders doing this in any of his fights. Wipe the shit out of your eyes and have another look.

[ironbeard]

BJS won rounds 5 and 7 going into 8. Canelo was missing wildly, especially in 7. BJS had an argument for winning 8 prior to the decisive blow.

BJS may be a puny person outside of the ring, but he is a world class boxer, and he showed it v Canelo.

Resume regurgitating your biased about BJS, and cliché attempts at personal insults, . I will keep shoveling it all back into your face.

You must have had shit in your eyes if you think Alvarez was being 'backed up' by Saunders. That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard about the fight so far.

World class fighters perform for 12 rounds. Little evidence of Saunders doing this in any of his fights. Wipe the shit out of your eyes and have another look.

Did BJS punk you in an alley?

[mickey1975]

Billy never walked him down. I understand the point, and Fury gave a masterclass in leaning on against Wilder, but it was completely different. Canelo was never distressed.

[ironbeard]

Billy never walked him down. I understand the point, and Fury gave a masterclass in leaning on against Wilder, but it was completely different. Canelo was never distressed.

Never said he “walked him down;” especially not the way Fury walked down Wilder in the second fight.

My point was (originally) that BJS was moving Canelo around physically at times, especially in the 7th. BJS also grappled him back into the ropes more than once. It did appear, at the end of 7, that Canelo MAY HAVE BEEN tiring. Point being that if a fighter of the stature and physical strength of BJS could muscle Canelo around a bit, what can Beterbiev, Joe Smith, Benavidez, and possibly Plant do to him?

I saw enough to conclude that SMW is where Canelo should stay, with the exception of picking north of there. My opinion is that that SMW is his limit, physically, for domination.

Maybe he will prove me wrong.

BJS was never likely to win that fight, even if he had won the 8th, but I do believe he showed a decent blueprint for success by bigger, stronger fighters with power.

[mickey1975]

They are both middleweight imo.

[cormack]

Seems like the only person who believed saunders was going to win was actually Tyson Fury .
Went right out on a limb there !

[mickey1975]

Seems like the only person who believed saunders was going to win was actually Tyson Fury .
Went right out on a limb there !

His dad? Tom Little?

[cormack]

Seems like the only person who believed saunders was going to win was actually Tyson Fury .
Went right out on a limb there !

His dad? Tom Little?

FFS cant count his own Dad !