so is he now scotlands greatest

[mickey1975]

I remember those big Wembley finals Sheffield Wednesday had in the early 90s against Man Utd and Arsenal - they’d sell their tickets faster than Utd and Arsenal.

Good side - two underrated players John Sheridan pulling the strings and David Hirst as a finisher. Danny Wilson seemed to pop up a lot.

Burnley could sell out Wembley for lower league play offs, and Stoke, Cardiff and loads of other clubs, its Wembley! Only Man City and Chelsea struggle

Wolves (4th division at that point) and Burnley did 80,000 for the sherpa van trophy final 1989. sold out really quickly too.

They've always been like that and the town has about 80,000 population including a large percentage of Asian people who generally don't follow football plus Blackburn a few miles away. They were massive in the lower leagues. I remember Scarborough getting into the 4th division for the first time and their first fixture was Wolves at home. A seaside town in mid August... it was all over the news, a Wolves fan fell through the roof. They absolutely took over the place for the whole weekend. I think they brought more than the ground capacity itself. Tarnishing Scarborough's big day!

[Counter-puncher]

. I remember Scarborough getting into the 4th division for the first time and their first fixture was Wolves at home. A seaside town in mid August... it was all over the news, a Wolves fan fell through the roof. They absolutely took over the place for the whole weekend. I think they brought more than the ground capacity itself. Tarnishing Scarborough's big day!

yeah I remember it well. we were (officially) banned from away games for years after that.

[danconnollyeire]

He's achieved more than Hatton at the weight in just 18 fights

[coghaugen11]

I’m positive Wednesday and United have a combined fan base of half a mill.

[Coco]

He's achieved more than Hatton at the weight in just 18 fights

But he hasn't beaten a Tzsyu!

He has done everything possible so far but needs at least an elite win to cement greatness

At the moment Hatton should be rated higher

[Coco]

He needs to beat a Laguna at least before he can be regarded as Scotland's finest

Nobody is saying that Taylor isn't the best in the division or isn't world class

[coghaugen11]

The little prick wouldn’t stand a hope in hell of beating a Tszyu.

[Counter-puncher]

Does Hatton's win over Tszyu not get overhyped a little? Tszyu had fought 3 rounds in 2 and half years and was 35.

and he retired after the fight, doesn't exactly speak to him being at the top of his game (IMO peak KT would stop Hatton, awaits pelters...)

[coghaugen11]

Still, different kettle of fish. Zoo was incredible.

[Boxerbeetle]

Does Hatton's win over Tszyu not get overhyped a little? Tszyu had fought 3 rounds in 2 and half years and was 35.

and he retired after the fight, doesn't exactly speak to him being at the top of his game (IMO peak KT would stop Hatton, awaits pelters...)

Surely peak Tszyu stopping Hatton isn’t a controversial take? I’d definitely agree with that.

[mickey1975]

Does Hatton's win over Tszyu not get overhyped a little? Tszyu had fought 3 rounds in 2 and half years and was 35.

and he retired after the fight, doesn't exactly speak to him being at the top of his game (IMO peak KT would stop Hatton, awaits pelters...)

Surely peak Tszyu stopping Hatton isn’t a controversial take? I’d definitely agree with that.

He was the underdog against a very faded Kostya.

[Counter-puncher]

Does Hatton's win over Tszyu not get overhyped a little? Tszyu had fought 3 rounds in 2 and half years and was 35.

and he retired after the fight, doesn't exactly speak to him being at the top of his game (IMO peak KT would stop Hatton, awaits pelters...)

Surely peak Tszyu stopping Hatton isn’t a controversial take? I’d definitely agree with that.

OK

[coghaugen11]

Means absolute zilch.

[margaret thatcher]

was he in the ring p4p rankings at all before?

[banjo]

Does Hatton's win over Tszyu not get overhyped a little? Tszyu had fought 3 rounds in 2 and half years and was 35.

He'd also been beaten by Vince Phillips in a similar manner to how Hatton did it by swarming over him and not letting him get his big punches off.

[mickey1975]

Taylor too high.

[margaret thatcher]

they have juan estrada at 8 but he got a gift vs little chocolate

[ALI]

Taylor too high.

So who would you put above him?

[Omerta]

You’re talking a load o shite now, how has Prograis turned out to be overrated ? And Ramirez bang average now ? That’s so off the mark it’s hilarious

Prograis was being bigged up as a future p4p star, it's blatantly obvious now that's an massive over estimate of his ability

Ramirez is just a standard wbo level fighter he's nothing special at all, it's not a exceptional division it's as simple as that

[Omerta]

I had to check Prograis record to see what had happened for him to now be deemed overrated...none the wiser

He was being tipped for p4p stardom in the year or so building up to the Taylor fight

[margaret thatcher]

i dunno mate, prograis has looked pretty dang good pretty much every time ive seen him, even in losing to josh

ramirez was legit top 3 in the world, unified champ and olympian, a very tough strong guy with a good engine, educated pressure, and thudding combos. not like he is amazing, true, but defo better than the average title holder in boxing

[Omerta]

No one has carved up O'Hara Davies the way Taylor did.

Postol was most certainly world class when Taylor boxed him with only a dozen pro fights under his belt. That's a sensational win !

Baranchyk was a serious force and Taylor did the hard graft and put Ivan in his place. No question a Taylor win.

Martin didn't know what to do with Josh and caved in before it got ugly.

The Prograis fight was very close, but IMO the right man won. Prograis was at the peak of his powers and is a danger for anyone at 10st.

Ramirez is a terrific fighter who clearly has more to his game than just slinging lots of punches and piling on the pressure, but the knockdowns were the difference.

There's a definite case for Taylor being an elite boxer.

Davis is so shite he's barely domestic title level

Postol was over the hill and overated after his win against a shot to shit Lucas matthyste. Taylor went life and death with postol

Martin turned out to be awful and completely out of his depth

Prograis is overated he won't go on to achieve anything spectacular in the sport

Ramirez is a 1 dimensional Mexican that can only do 1 thing and try to get on the inside. Due to Taylor gassing as usual and having to take his foot off the gas he was very lucky to get the knock-downs or the fight was either way

Barancky was just a highish level banger , again Taylor gassed and got lucky he knocked him down or imo barancyk won that fight. An elite level fighter would deal with a basic brawler like barancky with ease withing 6 rounds

None of these wins are elite or comparable to Buchanans or lynch's best wins

People are getting carried away with Taylor because unfortunately the standards of boxing are no where near what they were even 15-20 years ago let alone during the golden era of the sport

[Omerta]

Hasn't he just beaten the two top guys in the division and is now clearly #1 in his division?

Yes but prograis has turned out to be completely overrated and Ramirez is just an bang average wbo type world level fighter, he hasn't got any wins against elite opposition like Buchanan and lynch have. Also it's not a great division he has cleared out and every top guy in it that he has beaten have been very close fights that could of went either way.

personal bias

Could turn that around and say the exact same for anyone that thinks Taylor's current resume is better than Buchanan

[margaret thatcher]

baranchyk won without the kds? how did you score that one then?

[mickey1975]

I don't think Omerta likes Josh. He might be that orange bouncer he threatened to slap.