Why there was not Hagler vs Barkley fight?

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Cent0089
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Why there was not Hagler vs Barkley fight?

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Did they avoided each other or?
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Re: Why there was not Hagler vs Barkley fight?

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Neither of them ever avoided anyone. Barkley was a fringe contender when Marvin retired.
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Re: Why there was not Hagler vs Barkley fight?

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Yes. Marvin had bigger fish to fry at that point.
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Re: Why there was not Hagler vs Barkley fight?

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This is an easy as f*ck question to answer. Barkley didn't establish himself as a major opponent until 1988, Hagler retired in 1987.

Would you also like to know why Ali didn't fight Mike Tyson?
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gilgamesh wrote: 28 Jun 2021, 08:36 This is an easy as f*ck question to answer. Barkley didn't establish himself as a major opponent until 1988, Hagler retired in 1987.

Would you also like to know why Ali didn't fight Mike Tyson?
Oooh that's a bit harsh....
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Re: Why there was not Hagler vs Barkley fight?

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evrenb wrote: 28 Jun 2021, 09:42
gilgamesh wrote: 28 Jun 2021, 08:36 This is an easy as f*ck question to answer. Barkley didn't establish himself as a major opponent until 1988, Hagler retired in 1987.

Would you also like to know why Ali didn't fight Mike Tyson?
Oooh that's a bit harsh....
A bit yes. At least Barkley was an active Professional when Hagler was fight, but he wasn't in contention.
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Re: Why there was not Hagler vs Barkley fight?

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Too bad, i would love to watch that fight :box: :box: :box:
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Re: Why there was not Hagler vs Barkley fight?

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gilgamesh wrote: 28 Jun 2021, 08:36

Would you also like to know why Ali didn't fight Mike Tyson?
Ive just asked, you dont need to be offensive ;-)
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Re: Why there was not Hagler vs Barkley fight?

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Cent0089 wrote: 28 Jun 2021, 13:21 Too bad, i would love to watch that fight :box: :box: :box:
Barkley would have been brutalized.
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Re: Why there was not Hagler vs Barkley fight?

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Onetimeonly wrote: 28 Jun 2021, 13:30
Cent0089 wrote: 28 Jun 2021, 13:21 Too bad, i would love to watch that fight :box: :box: :box:
Barkley would have been brutalized.
Probably yes, but it would be fun while it last :box:
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Re: Why there was not Hagler vs Barkley fight?

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While I don't think Barkley could've beaten even the faded 1987 version of Hagler, he was more than a fringe contender. He had a decent run from '85-'87, with wins over Wilford Scypion, Mike Tinley and James Kinchen. He was high enough in the WBA ratings that he fought Sumbu Kalamby for the vacant title after it was stripped from Hagler.

If Leonard hadn't reappeared, a Hagler-Barkley match wouldn't have been unrealistic. However, the statement about "bigger fish to fry" is probably the most accurate.
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Re: Why there was not Hagler vs Barkley fight?

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bwu wrote: 28 Jun 2021, 22:54 While I don't think Barkley could've beaten even the faded 1987 version of Hagler, he was more than a fringe contender. He had a decent run from '85-'87, with wins over Wilford Scypion, Mike Tinley and James Kinchen. He was high enough in the WBA ratings that he fought Sumbu Kalamby for the vacant title after it was stripped from Hagler.

If Leonard hadn't reappeared, a Hagler-Barkley match wouldn't have been unrealistic. However, the statement about "bigger fish to fry" is probably the most accurate.
Hagler/hearns 2 was next if not for Leonard.
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Re: Why there was not Hagler vs Barkley fight?

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or Donald Curry
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Re: Why there was not Hagler vs Barkley fight?

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Caractacus wrote: 29 Jun 2021, 12:41 or Donald Curry
No
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Onetimeonly is right. Curry’s loss to Lloyd Honeyghan in late ‘86 would’ve taken him out of consideration. Hearns would’ve been the logical choice.
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Re: Why there was not Hagler vs Barkley fight?

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bwu wrote: 28 Jun 2021, 22:54 While I don't think Barkley could've beaten even the faded 1987 version of Hagler, he was more than a fringe contender. He had a decent run from '85-'87, with wins over Wilford Scypion, Mike Tinley and James Kinchen. He was high enough in the WBA ratings that he fought Sumbu Kalamby for the vacant title after it was stripped from Hagler.

If Leonard hadn't reappeared, a Hagler-Barkley match wouldn't have been unrealistic. However, the statement about "bigger fish to fry" is probably the most accurate.
He was a contender, but not a top contender.
The WBA (like the WBC and IBF) each needed to find two guys. Which means six different guys for these titles. None of these guys stood out. It was really a matter of who had ties to the various organizations.
Ring Magazine had Barkley at number #8 at the end of 1987.
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Re: Why there was not Hagler vs Barkley fight?

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wasn't Marvelous Marvin Hagler's original plan to fight Donald Curry before Ray Leonard announced that he was coming out retirement and would not fight a tune-up but fight for the Middleweight Championship ?
Curry would have been focused for a fight with Marvelous Marvin Hagler
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Re: Why there was not Hagler vs Barkley fight?

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Yes, Curry was a name being bandied about at one time as potential Hagler opponent. The Honeyghan loss took him out of the picture.
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Caractacus wrote: 30 Jun 2021, 13:18 wasn't Marvelous Marvin Hagler's original plan to fight Donald Curry before Ray Leonard announced that he was coming out retirement and would not fight a tune-up but fight for the Middleweight Championship ?
Curry would have been focused for a fight with Marvelous Marvin Hagler
Not after curry lost to Lloyd. You think mugabi and shuler were the same card for no reason?
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Re: Why there was not Hagler vs Barkley fight?

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Marvelous Marvin Hagler should never have agreed to a 12. round champion-ship fight
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