james toney apparentlyoogiebe wrote: ↑02 Jul 2021, 22:54margaret thatcher wrote: ↑02 Jul 2021, 22:51dude was in some fun fights, the mormeck ones were warsNot the deepest resume, but other than Usyk, who really has one at cw.
Top 10 Cruiserweights of All Time
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o niel bell, mormeck, wayne braithwait....was a fun era of cruisers. not the most skilled guys but all could bang and gave it their all
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Yeah, it was a good era. Since those times the division began to show competition constantly.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑02 Jul 2021, 22:58 o niel bell, mormeck, wayne braithwait....was a fun era of cruisers. not the most skilled guys but all could bang and gave it their all
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there was also the great era of michael rush, courtney burton, sione asipeli, and terry mcgroom apparently 
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Yeah, that was the murderes' row! Johnny Nelson vs Sione Asipeli was a Thrillah in Vegas, forget the WBSS and all those modern bums!margaret thatcher wrote: ↑03 Jul 2021, 02:06 there was also the great era of michael rush, courtney burton, sione asipeli, and terry mcgroom apparently![]()
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Guillermo Jones might make the back end. After holy and usyk it's a dice roll.
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The first version sucked.
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DrDuke wrote: ↑03 Jul 2021, 03:50The first version sucked.
I had Willie pep ahead of Harry greb in the top 5. I'd be hard pressed to put pep in the top 20 now.
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DrDuke wrote: ↑03 Jul 2021, 03:50The first version sucked.
- Heh, heh, and so does the 2nd and every other one you get your iron girdle in a curdle about.
Juan Carlos Gomez, 6-4, 190 lbs WBC 10-0, 9 KO might of killed Field in his first Qawi fight instead of putting him in ICU, but no matter, OP can sleep in Field's Jock Strap for his Corona Masking protection in between beating Mommy's tin pots all he wants.
Usyk never fought in the nascent little boy division of Field, duh! He was a full fledged traditional Heavy Olympic Gold Medalist turning pro with a unique opportunity of fighting in a traditional full fledged heavy division while accumulating the plethora of belts of his era along with the fledgling Ali trophy.
Currently 24-0, 15 KO as a pro, he's already surpassed the Field heavy record of 26-10-2, 15 KO and will soon be going in against the prime, great record setting unified champ better than any fighter Field has ever fought win/lose, or draw. Give it up. Peter Pan now a peanut butter and Tinker Belle a rainbow flag and your curdle more than a bit rusty
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A bit more entertaining comedy attempt than usually, keep trying, you're doing well.BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote: ↑03 Jul 2021, 08:49
- Heh, heh, and so does the 2nd and every other one you get your iron girdle in a curdle about.
Juan Carlos Gomez, 6-4, 190 lbs WBC 10-0, 9 KO might of killed Field in his first Qawi fight instead of putting him in ICU, but no matter, OP can sleep in Field's Jock Strap for his Corona Masking protection in between beating Mommy's tin pots all he wants.
Usyk never fought in the nascent little boy division of Field, duh! He was a full fledged traditional Heavy Olympic Gold Medalist turning pro with a unique opportunity of fighting in a traditional full fledged heavy division while accumulating the plethora of belts of his era along with the fledgling Ali trophy.
Currently 24-0, 15 KO as a pro, he's already surpassed the Field heavy record of 26-10-2, 15 KO and will soon be going in against the prime, great record setting unified champ better than any fighter Field has ever fought win/lose, or draw. Give it up. Peter Pan now a peanut butter and Tinker Belle a rainbow flag and your curdle more than a bit rusty![]()
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I think the top cruiserweights of the recent era surpass the top heavyweights of many eras.
Maybe we start a thread of 1960s/70s/80s heavyweights vs recent cruiserweights
Maybe we start a thread of 1960s/70s/80s heavyweights vs recent cruiserweights
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Doubtful the top heavyweights of the those awful times would have a prayer.
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how about recent top cruisers vs greats like courtney butler, michael rush, and terry mcgroom?
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The depth from 2011 to 2019 is pretty impressive in the span of 8 years you hadAmbling Alp II wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 11:18 Doubtful the top heavyweights of the those awful times would have a prayer.
Usyk
Breidis
Gassiev
Hernandez
Okolie
Wlodardczyk
Cunningham
Huck
Glowacki
Makabu
Guillermo Jones
Cieslak
Hunter
Larena
Dorticos
etc
I think that group would definitely prevail over some heavyweight eras like that Joe Louis reigned over
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apparently those cruisers dont even stack up to the c- minus level american cruisers of the early 2000s
courtny butler, michael rush, terry mcgroom, sione asipeli. all atg top 25 level cruisers, am i right?
courtny butler, michael rush, terry mcgroom, sione asipeli. all atg top 25 level cruisers, am i right?
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The recent cruisers all awesome. That is why everyone is always talking about hem. It's all cruiserweight this, cruiserweight that.
Take Murat Gassiev. Three years ago, he wasn't even in the top 10. Never won another fight at cruiserweight. And yet he is now #5. What an achievement!
Take Murat Gassiev. Three years ago, he wasn't even in the top 10. Never won another fight at cruiserweight. And yet he is now #5. What an achievement!
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Depends who you are talking about. Of course there were some terrible heavyweights who got title shots who you are probably thinking of.Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑08 Jul 2021, 21:06The depth from 2011 to 2019 is pretty impressive in the span of 8 years you hadAmbling Alp II wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 11:18 Doubtful the top heavyweights of the those awful times would have a prayer.
Usyk
Breidis
Gassiev
Hernandez
Okolie
Wlodardczyk
Cunningham
Huck
Glowacki
Makabu
Guillermo Jones
Cieslak
Hunter
Larena
Dorticos
etc
I think that group would definitely prevail over some heavyweight eras like that Joe Louis reigned over
But there was also good ones like Buddy Baer, Billy Conn, Elmer, Ray, Turkey Thompson, Jimmy Bivins, Jersey Joe Walcott, and Ezzard Charles. And of course Louis himself.
World War II was also a factor.
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Oh yeah, in the Jirov-Toney era everyone cared about the cruisers more than in any other time, forget the WBSS era!Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑09 Jul 2021, 10:52 The recent cruisers all awesome. That is why everyone is always talking about hem. It's all cruiserweight this, cruiserweight that.
Take Murat Gassiev. Three years ago, he wasn't even in the top 10. Never won another fight at cruiserweight. And yet he is now #5. What an achievement!
Dumbling Alp is making history now with surpassing his own bits, i.e. "Cleveland Sweat Pea Williams is the HW Willie Pep" and "Holyfield won Lewis".
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This is coming from the person who moved a guy (Gassiev) not in his top 10 to #5 without winning a fight at cruiserweight.
Never compared Cleveland Williams to Pernell Whitaker or Willie Pep.
Never compared Cleveland Williams to Pernell Whitaker or Willie Pep.
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I admitted that I've done the sh!tty list the first time.Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑09 Jul 2021, 11:23 This is coming from the person who moved a guy (Gassiev) not in his top 10 to #5 without winning a fight at cruiserweight.
Never compared Cleveland Williams to Pernell Whitaker or Willie Pep.
You're still an oldie-biased jester.
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the cruisers got loads of buzz over the last few years, i know you dont follow current boxing so you probably remained uninformed and missed itAmbling Alp II wrote: ↑09 Jul 2021, 10:52 The recent cruisers all awesome. That is why everyone is always talking about hem. It's all cruiserweight this, cruiserweight that.
Take Murat Gassiev. Three years ago, he wasn't even in the top 10. Never won another fight at cruiserweight. And yet he is now #5. What an achievement!
courtney butler, terry mcgroom, sione asipeli, michael rsh........omg those awesome '10 round fighters' , beating world champs and top contenders, becoming the legit undisputed champ in the division and actually making several title defenses, just cant compare to the depth of beating them, all top 25 atg cruisers for sure
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If you're going to include small HW champions from bygone eras, what about Floyd Patterson and Ezzard Charles?
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Henry Cooper would be some LHW in the modern era.
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well usyk becomes unified champ again, this time at hw, but like alp says he simply doesnt have the depth of '10 round fighters' like terry mcgroom, michael rush, and courtney butler on his resume 
cant rank him high among the greats without huge wins like that
cant rank him high among the greats without huge wins like that