BoxRec's Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs Takam

[aicheligad]

Current list:

1. Tyson Fury - 30(21) 0 1 - next fight: 09.10.2021 vs Deontay Wilder - 42(41) 1(1) 1 - (#3)

2. Anthony Joshua - 24(22) 1(1) 0 - next fight: 25.09.2021 vs Oleksandr Usyk - 18(13) 0 0 - (#5)

3. Deontay Wilder - 42(41) 1(1) 1 - next fight: 24.07.2021 vs Tyson Fury - 30(21) 0 1 - (#1)

4. Dillian Whyte - 28(19) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

5. Oleksandr Usyk - 18(13) 0 0 - next fight: 25.09.2021 vs Anthony Joshua - 24(22) 1(1) 0 - (#2)

6. Andy Ruiz Jr - 34(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Michael Hunter - 19(13) 1(0) 1 - next fight: 14.08.2021 vs Mike Wilson - 21(10) 1(0) 0 - (unranked, inactive)

8. Joseph Parker - 29(21) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. Joe Joyce - 13(12) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Kubrat Pulev - 28(14) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

11. Luis Ortiz - 32(27) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

12. Dereck Chisora - 32(23) 11(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

13. Otto Wallin - 22(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

14. Óscar Rivas - 27(19) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Tony Yoka - 10(8) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

Question: How are the rankings affected by Joe Joyce's TKO 6 win over Carlos Takam?

My vote: Joyce stays at #9, Takam remains unranked.

[DrDuke]

No change.

[Onetimeonly]

Joyce to 6

[margaret thatcher]

joyce to 6

[Cyclops]

Joyce to 6.

Hunter has done nothing for ages and is fighting Mike Wilson, who I have never heard of, next and was beaten up and nearly stopped by Usyk. Joseph Parker looked flat and lost in my opinion to Chisora, while Ruiz had to go 12 with saggy Arreola and both Parker and Ruiz got put over in the first and neither looked comfortable. Joyce provided an exciting fight and stopped his gatekeeper opponent.

I can see the argument that he should be ranked below Ruiz because of the AJ win, but that was ages ago, avenged fairly easily and appears increasingly to have been some sort of weird anomaly.

EDIT: Just looked up Mike Wilson. There's no date of birth that I can see but he looks about 45, is a career cruiserweight and has a knockout ration of under 50%. That's a dogshit fight. Sorry.

[oogiebe]

Joyce to 7.

Had it been a more definitive ending I might have said 6.

[margaret thatcher]

Joyce to 6.

Hunter has done nothing for ages and is fighting Mike Wilson, who I have never heard of, next and was beaten up and nearly stopped by Usyk. Joseph Parker looked flat and lost in my opinion to Chisora, while Ruiz had to go 12 with saggy Arreola and both Parker and Ruiz got put over in the first and neither looked comfortable. Joyce provided an exciting fight and stopped his gatekeeper opponent.

I can see the argument that he should be ranked below Ruiz because of the AJ win, but that was ages ago, avenged fairly easily and appears increasingly to have been some sort of weird anomaly.

EDIT: Just looked up Mike Wilson. There's no date of birth that I can see but he looks about 45, is a career cruiserweight and has a knockout ration of under 50%. That's a dogshit fight. Sorry.

pretty much my reasoning too.....i would defo put him ahead of parker and hunter on recent form, as hunter has done nothing for a while and parker i thought lost to chisora (who imo is only slightly better than takam)

ruiz had that big aj win so more of an argument to keep him above joyce, but aside from thtat 1 fight (which he lost the rematch almost every round) he has been throughly mediocre pretty much, both before and after the big win

[stpeach]

Question: How are the rankings affected by Joe Joyce's TKO 6 win over Carlos Takam?

My vote: Joyce moves to #7, Takam remains unranked.

I believe that unless Ruiz proves he has slid Joyce is going to have to beat a top 6 opponent to overtake him. While not impressive vs Arreola, there were extenuating circumstances (ring rust, covid disrupting normal training, weight, etc..) and in the end he won against a game opponent despite going down early.

[Cyclops]

Question: How are the rankings affected by Joe Joyce's TKO 6 win over Carlos Takam?

My vote: Joyce moves to #7, Takam remains unranked.

I believe that unless Ruiz proves he has slid Joyce is going to have to beat a top 6 opponent to overtake him. While not impressive vs Arreola, there were extenuating circumstances (ring rust, covid disrupting normal training, weight, etc..) and in the end he won against a game opponent despite going down early.

Arreola had been out of the ring longer, and all the same things you give Ruiz a pass for you'd have to give Arreola, all the while with Andy also being younger and supposedly a far superior fighter. He has no excuse.

[George_Jones88]

Joyce to 7

[gregregegg]

Joyce to 6. Classic plodding with Leaky defence joyce performance but its how he does it..., And the resume deepens.

Ruiz and Parker are just above him from the past, but havent really preformed in the last 2 years.... Id consider takem a simular levle to chis, mabey just below and joyce did way better than parker did recently.. Takem is a levle above areola, and joyce did better than there. so based on recency slide him up.

[Wales]

The other day, on here I think, I commented that Parker was in the second tier of the heavyweight boxers. Fury Wikder AJ tier one , then some guys in tier 2 which I included Parker.

The more I’ve thought of it the more I’ve questioned if im almost hardwired to put him there.

He’s not had a significant win in 5 years (although granted he nearly finished Whyte in the 12th) and is he any good, really.

He probably deserves to be in that second tier, but if he’s placed there it’s only because the quality is so poor. He’s certainly the one, I’d put in tier 2, fighters wanting to break into that group would want to face

[gregregegg]

The other day, on here I think, I commented that Parker was in the second tier of the heavyweight boxers. Fury Wikder AJ tier one , then some guys in tier 2 which I included Parker.

The more I’ve thought of it the more I’ve questioned if im almost hardwired to put him there.

He’s not had a significant win in 5 years (although granted he nearly finished Whyte in the 12th) and is he any good, really.

He probably deserves to be in that second tier, but if he’s placed there it’s only because the quality is so poor. He’s certainly the one, I’d put in tier 2, fighters wanting to break into that group would want to face

Parker is a tricky one. He has good resume, but the timeing is weird and no good+convincing wins of late. Also he has been very lucky and very unlucky, which i guess balances out a bit.
Unlucky:
The AJ fight was ruined by that italian ref, i dont think parker would have won, but that ref was so bad that in my mind that fight is almost a No contest.
The whyte fight is even more interesting, i think parker would of beaten whyte quite easily if it wasnt for that head clash KD. Very very early on parker just looked way to sharp for whytes sloppy style, then he got knocked down and pretty hurt by a clash of heads, he still managed to rally back and nearly win but getting unfirly rocked was too big a headstart to give away..

Lucky: Chis decision, Ruiz decision, Fa decision, Hughie decision, even the takem decision a bit... (I thought he won all of them, but they wernt clear wins, If he had been the "away fighter" in any of them i would not be shocked with him losing on the cards)

Definatly one of the best resumes in the game though.

[aicheligad]

I've voted for no change because I had Parker winning vs Chisora and despite the fact that I like Takam, the win over him doesn't mean much at this point.

[Wales]

Parker was the fighter that everyone thought was their unknown secret prospect that nobody else knew about , but everyone did and saw him the same way.

“There’s a guy Joseph Parker from New Zealand, watch out for him”

His Only wins of note are Chisora and Ruiz really. Other names on there are known but decidedly average relatively speaking .

He very nearly had Whyte out of there though, and taking that fight only 4 months after AJ fight was a terrible decision from his team.

[DrDuke]

Parker won all of them, Takam, Ruiz, Hughie, Chisora, Fa. He just did it in a labouring and not spectacular fashion. The same can be said about the Joshua win over Parker. Parker is just a sorta spoiler.

[Wales]

Best will in the world I can’t put Fa, Fury and Takam as on a resume as big wins . Takam is gatekeeper to the second tier, Fa and Hughie Fury have a little bit of potential but beating them two doesn’t put him on the map.
I’d go as far to say Chisora is pushing it really, but fair enough, that was a good win.

His performance against Whte was 1 more minute away from a Parker win

[joshj909]

No change

[HyacinthusTurnipseed]

Joyce to #7.

[Belanio]

My vote: Joyce to #7, Takam remains unranked.

[tiny_acres]

No change

[Ruthless-RKO]

Hmm.. don’t feel like changing anything up tbh.

Don’t want him above Parker just yet. Unless they all move up and Hunter comes down due to inactivity.

I like Hunter, but why TF is he so high up?

Was that ranking since he drew with Povetkin?

[Cyclops]

Hmm.. don’t feel like changing anything up tbh.

Don’t want him above Parker just yet. Unless they all move up and Hunter comes down due to inactivity.

I like Hunter, but why TF is he so high up?

Was that ranking since he drew with Povetkin?

I'd kick him out too but that's not how this thread works. It's based on fight results. When he fights Mike Wilson we can vote on him then and basically vote him out of the top 10 if we all agree on it. Until then, we can all only vote on who has just fought, which was Joyce and Takam.

[tiny_acres]

What are the rules of these rankings when it comes to inactivity?
How long is someone inactive for before being removed?

[Cyclops]

What are the rules of these rankings when it comes to inactivity?
How long is someone inactive for before being removed?

You'd have to ask aicheligad for confirmation on that. It's his rules, as he's the OP.