Or indeed, whether.
Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
I agree with this too. I don't know much about Jonnie Rice but it seems clear he has never received the benefit of the "prospect treatment" but has been allowed to sink or swim ... and for the most part he has swum.Las Vegas boxing guy wrote: ↑28 Jul 2021, 01:53Lopsided? One judge had Yoka winning by a close 58-56 score.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 12:43 Jonathan Rice is complete utter garbage.
The only useful thing about this fight is to determine whether Michael Coffie is capable of stopping Jonathan Rice, even though the allegedly "fearsome" Efe Ajagba couldn't (less than a year ago during the Nigerian's 19th outing).
For the record, Tony Yoka scored a lop-sided six-round decision victory over Jonathan Rice during the Frenchman's second outing as a pro.
Other previous Jonathan Rice loses (below) demonstrate that he's a more than capable enough opponent vs Coffie.
Demsey McKean : Currently 19-0, 12 KO's
Arslanbek Makhmudov : Currently 11-0, 11 KO's
Stephen Shaw : Currently 14-0, 10 KO's'
Con Sheehan : Currently 6-0
He was very unfortunate in losing to Demsey McKean, went seven rounds with the fearsome Makhmudov who has a penchant for dispatching his opponents in short order.
I accept he is a level below Washington, but in one area at least he wipes the floor with him. That's 'heart'. Washington can be relied on to fold under pressure but Rice is more resilient. Definitely an acceptable opponent for an inexperienced guy like Polite-Coffie although Coffie is going to need to make the next one a serious test if he wants to seriously impact the division. Time is running out.
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Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
I watched the fight.Las Vegas boxing guy wrote: ↑28 Jul 2021, 01:53Lopsided? One judge had Yoka winning by a close 58-56 score.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 12:43 Jonathan Rice is complete utter garbage.
The only useful thing about this fight is to determine whether Michael Coffie is capable of stopping Jonathan Rice, even though the allegedly "fearsome" Efe Ajagba couldn't (less than a year ago during the Nigerian's 19th outing).
For the record, Tony Yoka scored a lop-sided six-round decision victory over Jonathan Rice during the Frenchman's second outing as a pro.
Apart from round two, the American was often clumsily punching thin air.
It would be tough for anyone to claim that Jonathan Rice deserved to win more than a single round in that fight. And two of the official judges scorecards reflected this obvious fact.
And let's not forget that Jonathan Rice was only the Frenchman's second opponent.
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Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
Surely no disgrace in dropping a decision to the Olympic champion now rated top 15 in the world, and expected to progress a lot further, be it a close decision or otherwise?
There a quite a few fighters on the fringes of contention that I wouldn't expect to do any better.
Rice is no world-beater neither is he 'utter garbage'.
There a quite a few fighters on the fringes of contention that I wouldn't expect to do any better.
Rice is no world-beater neither is he 'utter garbage'.
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Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
In the context of calibre of opponent for Michael Coffie, Jonathan Rice is 'utter garbage' in comparison to Gerald Washington, coupled with the fact he hasn’t won a fight in the last two years.
By the time he enters the ring against Michael Coffie, Jonathan Rice would have only won six fights during a timeframe spanning four years, against opponents that have themselves failed to win 98 bouts, which means he's only capable of beating fellow journeymen with horrendous losing records.
I’ll give him his dues, he’s fairly durable and there are admittedly worst journeymen out there, but this doesn’t detract from the fact he loses to novices and debutants.
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Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
Jonathan Rice beats Gerald Washington 8 out of 10 times .... The way Rice fought with Efe, he learned not to exchange and run. I don't see Michael Coffie can knockout him out if Rice fight same strategy.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Jul 2021, 07:22In the context of calibre of opponent for Michael Coffie, Jonathan Rice is 'utter garbage' in comparison to Gerald Washington, coupled with the fact he hasn’t won a fight in the last two years.
By the time he enters the ring against Michael Coffie, Jonathan Rice would have only won six fights during a timeframe spanning four years, against opponents that have themselves failed to win 98 bouts, which means he's only capable of beating fellow journeymen with horrendous losing records.
I’ll give him his dues, he’s fairly durable and there are admittedly worst journeymen out there, but this doesn’t detract from the fact he loses to novices and debutants.
Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
EO: You won’t need me to tell you that boxing like any sport is about levels. I look at Jonnie Rice and I see a fighter who holds some decent wins over respectable journeymen in Rodney Hernandez, Jamal Woods, Mario Heredia, and who has acquitted himself well against Stephan Shaw, Tony Yoka, Arslanbek Makhmudov, Demsey McKean and Efe Ajagba.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Jul 2021, 07:22In the context of calibre of opponent for Michael Coffie, Jonathan Rice is 'utter garbage' in comparison to Gerald Washington, coupled with the fact he hasn’t won a fight in the last two years.
By the time he enters the ring against Michael Coffie, Jonathan Rice would have only won six fights during a timeframe spanning four years, against opponents that have themselves failed to win 98 bouts, which means he's only capable of beating fellow journeymen with horrendous losing records.
I’ll give him his dues, he’s fairly durable and there are admittedly worst journeymen out there, but this doesn’t detract from the fact he loses to novices and debutants.
BoxRec have him at 100 in the world and I would regard that as about right. There are over 1100 currently active heavyweights which theoretically puts Rice in the top 10%. Is he ever going to make an impression at world level? No he’s not, but I’d allow you a little hyperbole in your selected description. I’m sure you don’t really regard anybody who isn’t in the top 2% in their chosen field of employment as “utter garbage”.
I would point out that he’s a replacement opponent for the less than stellar Gerald Washington. He is facing Michael Polite-Coffie who until his win over the presumably ‘utter garbage’ Darmani Rock, would have fitted into the same category.
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Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
... or hot coffiejoshj909 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2021, 04:14Until he finds himself in hot watermargaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 Jul 2021, 23:13 usually rice is extremely durable, as long as you know how to keep it the right way
Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
Coffie looks around 1.5" shorter than Rice, there is no way he is 6'5" ... Boxrec Tale of Tape for all fighters need to be revised
Both came in very heavy 271.75LBS for Coffie and 268LBS for Rice
Both came in very heavy 271.75LBS for Coffie and 268LBS for Rice
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Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
In the context of opponent for Michael Coffie it turns out rice is far far too good of an opponent....Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Jul 2021, 07:22In the context of calibre of opponent for Michael Coffie, Jonathan Rice is 'utter garbage' in comparison to Gerald Washington, coupled with the fact he hasn’t won a fight in the last two years.
By the time he enters the ring against Michael Coffie, Jonathan Rice would have only won six fights during a timeframe spanning four years, against opponents that have themselves failed to win 98 bouts, which means he's only capable of beating fellow journeymen with horrendous losing records.
I’ll give him his dues, he’s fairly durable and there are admittedly worst journeymen out there, but this doesn’t detract from the fact he loses to novices and debutants.
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Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
rice creamed that coffie
Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
First time I've seen rice really bring it.
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Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
rice vs jah ?
or is a bigger step up expected for big baby
or is a bigger step up expected for big baby
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Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
how about rice vs babic, huni, or wardley
or how about vs jalolov after the olympics
or how about vs jalolov after the olympics
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Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
Brang it vs Dempsey mckean, was 2 seconds away from arguably winning it.... he cops a bit for not bringing it, but only when quite outgunned, Efe and Mac whack, so i get why he was a bit hesitent/negative vs them. Yoka is a gold medalist so should be able to make the likes of rice look offensively deficient. At his levle (anywhere between 30th-100th in the world) rice is a handfull.
Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
Didn't see that one. Still the most aggressive Rice I've seen. From the opening bell.gregregegg wrote: ↑31 Jul 2021, 22:18Brang it vs Dempsey mckean, was 2 seconds away from arguably winning it.... he cops a bit for not bringing it, but only when quite outgunned, Efe and Mac whack, so i get why he was a bit hesitent/negative vs them. Yoka is a gold medalist so should be able to make the likes of rice look offensively deficient. At his levle (anywhere between 30th-100th in the world) rice is a handfull.
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Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
I really didn't think Jonathan Rice had it in him.
But look at this: He's lost six fights, to boxers with a combined current record of 76-0-0.
I figured he'd lose another to a 12-0-0 fighter but nope, he had other plans. Beat him start to finish.
Even his debut Draw was to an undefeated fighter (now 1-0-2)!
But look at this: He's lost six fights, to boxers with a combined current record of 76-0-0.
I figured he'd lose another to a 12-0-0 fighter but nope, he had other plans. Beat him start to finish.
Even his debut Draw was to an undefeated fighter (now 1-0-2)!
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Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
Good post, I didn't see it before I posted my 'discovery' about his competition.Las Vegas boxing guy wrote: ↑28 Jul 2021, 01:53Lopsided? One judge had Yoka winning by a close 58-56 score.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 12:43 Jonathan Rice is complete utter garbage.
The only useful thing about this fight is to determine whether Michael Coffie is capable of stopping Jonathan Rice, even though the allegedly "fearsome" Efe Ajagba couldn't (less than a year ago during the Nigerian's 19th outing).
For the record, Tony Yoka scored a lop-sided six-round decision victory over Jonathan Rice during the Frenchman's second outing as a pro.
Other previous Jonathan Rice loses (below) demonstrate that he's a more than capable enough opponent vs Coffie.
Demsey McKean : Currently 19-0, 12 KO's
Arslanbek Makhmudov : Currently 11-0, 11 KO's
Stephen Shaw : Currently 14-0, 10 KO's'
Con Sheehan : Currently 6-0
Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
Really impressed by Rice tonight, he was full of starch. I gather he had spent time simmering away prior to the fight yet didn't overcook.
Coffie was out of beans early on and lacked boldness. It's clear to me that he is not one to pick from the current crop moving forward otherwise I fear he would leave a bitter taste in the mouth. It's difficult to know where to from here but I feel he needs more brewing time.
Coffie was out of beans early on and lacked boldness. It's clear to me that he is not one to pick from the current crop moving forward otherwise I fear he would leave a bitter taste in the mouth. It's difficult to know where to from here but I feel he needs more brewing time.
Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
Lol, I lost an interest in it after the opponent had changed to the lower ranked one, especially with the Olympic boxing being on, but here comes the upset. Coffie looked poor. Rice worked on him like on a heavy bag.
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Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
lazboy wrote: ↑01 Aug 2021, 01:43 Really impressed by Rice tonight, he was full of starch. I gather he had spent time simmering away prior to the fight yet didn't overcook.
Coffie was out of beans early on and lacked boldness. It's clear to me that he is not one to pick from the current crop moving forward otherwise I fear he would leave a bitter taste in the mouth. It's difficult to know where to from here but I feel he needs more brewing time.
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Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
Anyone who has seen Rice fight will know that he's much better than the record suggests.